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gersforme
03-01-2014, 02:42 PM
I don't want to live in a socialist hellhole telling me what i can think, say and what I have to believe

the snp and their narrow mindedness can gtf

Britannia is my home.

Taintedice
03-01-2014, 02:50 PM
Are you still planning on going to live in Wales if it's Yes :D

Mook1
03-01-2014, 02:52 PM
I'm voting Yes.

I suspect it'll be an easy victory for the No campaign though.

DeeMo
03-01-2014, 03:15 PM
Can you vote I don't know ? :?

DannyBhoy
03-01-2014, 03:22 PM
I'm voting Yes.


No it is then! :D

Red_Zeppelin
03-01-2014, 03:34 PM
I don't want to live in a socialist hellhole telling me what i can think, say and what I have to believe

the snp and their narrow mindedness can gtf

Britannia is my home.

jeers old pal, I'm undecided on this.

the idea of an free Scotland appeals tae me...however salmond has turned his back on traditional family values and the traditional mother, father, child relationship...I also doubt people of the good book such as me will not be wanted in the hell hole of this brave new world.

what dae you think I should do? I value your opinion on these matters.

cheers old pal :)

Mook1
03-01-2014, 03:53 PM
So you want to vote for an independent Scotland but you're swithering because of one policy whereby they're going to legalise gay marriage?

Mental.

You do realise you can vote Yes & then vote Salmond out in a few years?...

gersforme
03-01-2014, 04:26 PM
Salmond and his ilk have no time for christian values whilst at the same time they back parochial schooling :?

Their dream is of a utopian atheist society where euthanasia will probably be legal in no time and children will be taught all kinds of abominable stuff about the unimportance of gender roles

no thanks

rule britannia

Red_Zeppelin
03-01-2014, 04:55 PM
I mind have known that wee naff mook would be all o'er this thread.

posting his hetrophobic, anti christian bile :blue:

is this really what an independent scotland is all about?

would I, as a hardcore presbyterian be allowed tae live in peace?...what the hell would be kids be taught at school? would they even be known as loons and quines????

JimmyHaze
03-01-2014, 04:59 PM
Its a Yes for me, I might be idealistic but I think we have more chance of all views being heard in an independent Scotland.

I value all opinons even ones I dont agree with as long as the people holding them can debate and are openminded enough to listen to and consider opposing views

Mook1
03-01-2014, 05:00 PM
Red_Zep, I'm nae fan of bufties myself but they already live together & are presumably bumming (perish the thought) so what difference does it make to you or me if they've got a bit of paper & a ring on their wedding finger?

I'm no 'anti-Christian' either, folk can believe what they want as far as I'm concerned.

pwlp
03-01-2014, 05:00 PM
I'm voting Yes.

I suspect it'll be an easy victory for the No campaign though.

I'm voting YES too, I did think it was gonna be an easy NO win (say, 60-40), but I'm beginning to think it may turn as time goes on. Salmond's done a good job of timing this, as will become apparent when the year moves on. If I had to put my mortgage on it, I'd still say a tight NO win, but you never know once things start moving...

DannyBhoy
03-01-2014, 05:04 PM
Salmond is a detestable character.

Godric
03-01-2014, 05:09 PM
Salmond is a detestable character.

and Johann Lamont and her Labour coherts aren't like ?? .. the UK is in a mess not thanks to the Liebour party

Godric
03-01-2014, 05:09 PM
and I will be voting YES

1995_Oh_My_Sides_
03-01-2014, 05:10 PM
Red_Zep, I'm nae fan of bufties myself but they already live together & are presumably bumming (perish the thought) so what difference does it make to you or me if they've got a bit of paper & a ring on their wedding finger?

I'm no 'anti-Christian' either, folk can believe what they want as far as I'm concerned.

It's what they do with the rings they have at the moment that disgust me. :(

Red_Zeppelin
03-01-2014, 05:10 PM
Salmond is a detestable character.

dan, salmond has got that yahoo look tae him...i wouldn'a trust him as far as I could throw him...the wee fat bassa.

revolutionaryred
03-01-2014, 05:11 PM
You do know that same-sex marriage will be legal in Guffland and Wales before in Scotland?

So to be voting NO because of gay marriage is just plain stupid/bizarre.

It's a big YES from me.

AguyIknow
03-01-2014, 05:22 PM
You do know that same-sex marriage will be legal in Guffland and Wales before in Scotland?

So to be voting NO because of gay marriage is just plain stupid/bizarre.

It's a big YES from me.

Why would anyone care one way or the other if two third parties to whom you're unattracted get married?

Godric
03-01-2014, 05:23 PM
Salmond is a detestable character.

dan, salmond has got that yahoo look tae him...i wouldn'a trust him as far as I could throw him...the wee fat bassa.[/quote]

Alex Salmond and the Snp are not the YES campaign, the Yes campaign is made up of Scottish socialist, Scottish Labour for independence, the Green Party, The Snp and and the 2 independent MSPs, if we get a YES vote the Snp are not guaranteed to win the 2015 election

Red_Zeppelin
03-01-2014, 05:24 PM
Salmond is a detestable character.

dan, salmond has got that yahoo look tae him...i wouldn'a trust him as far as I could throw him...the wee fat bassa.[/quote]

Alex Salmond and the Snp are not the YES campaign, the Yes campaign is made up of Scottish socialist, Scottish Labour for independence, the Green Party, The Snp and and the 2 independent MSPs, if we get a YES vote the Snp are not guaranteed to win the 2015 election[/quote]

haud on, labour are unionist are they no? alistair darling is a labour man is he no?

Godric
03-01-2014, 05:28 PM
Salmond is a detestable character.

dan, salmond has got that yahoo look tae him...i wouldn'a trust him as far as I could throw him...the wee fat bassa.[/quote]

Alex Salmond and the Snp are not the YES campaign, the Yes campaign is made up of Scottish socialist, Scottish Labour for independence, the Green Party, The Snp and and the 2 independent MSPs, if we get a YES vote the Snp are not guaranteed to win the 2015 election[/quote]

haud on, labour are unionist are they no? alistair darling is a labour man is he no?[/quote]

Labour party members formed their own pro Independence group ... which the Labour tried and failed to discredit them

DannyBhoy
03-01-2014, 05:29 PM
Salmond is a detestable character.

dan, salmond has got that yahoo look tae him...i wouldn'a trust him as far as I could throw him...the wee fat bassa.[/quote]

I bet he can't see his own toes.

He'll be a small d1cked pryck.

IanAberdon
03-01-2014, 06:23 PM
I'm voting YES...we can chuck out the Nats at the next election as an independent nation if needed. ;D

Surely better than what we've got, today's Thatcher/Tories story sums it up for me. :s

Hairdrier
03-01-2014, 06:39 PM
Lots of very good reasons to vote no - Scotland has very large inequalities that have grown under the Nats, the place is turning into a police state, they haven't done their sums on tax raising, etc.

The trump card for the yes campaign is the prospect of more lame Tory/Lib Dem/Labour rule from Westminster. That could push a lot of people towards voting yes.

Dirty_Dingus_Magee
03-01-2014, 09:00 PM
A yes for independence is not a yes for SNP or Salmond.

It's a yes from me.

stewarty27
03-01-2014, 09:41 PM
Its totally right that the people living and working here in Scotland should make the descions effecting Scotland. And anyine who votes no because of Salmond has to be a total thicko !. Its like sayin im votin no cuz i like Cameron. Im voting YES for a richer better fairer Scotland.

super_ally_rfc
03-01-2014, 09:59 PM
Its totally right that the people living and working here in Scotland should make the descions effecting Scotland. And anyine who votes no because of Salmond has to be a total thicko !. Its like sayin im votin no cuz i like Cameron. Im voting YES for a richer better fairer Scotland.

anyone that votes yes because there will be a richer better fairer scotland is also a thicko as there are no guarantees one way or another it could be better, it could be worse

OleOle
03-01-2014, 11:20 PM
YES all the way.

Any person claiming to be a Scot who doesn't vote YES is a phucking coward and not a true Scot. If you want to be ruled by Thatcher's children for the rest of your lives then phuck off and live with the Nigels in their shytehole of a land.

This is Scotland's only chance in our lifetime to do the right thing. It's an absolute no-brainer.

If you don't like Salmond and the SNP then vote him out at the first Scottish election.

And phuck the bigoted clueless buns who don't give a shyte about their own country.

gersforme
03-01-2014, 11:28 PM
i repudiate the notion that only separatists can be patriots, i am scottish, british and proud as phuck of both

bwfcforever
03-01-2014, 11:58 PM
YES all the way.

Any person claiming to be a Scot who doesn't vote YES is a phucking coward and not a true Scot. If you want to be ruled by Thatcher's children for the rest of your lives then phuck off and live with the Nigels in their shytehole of a land.

This is Scotland's only chance in our lifetime to do the right thing. It's an absolute no-brainer.

If you don't like Salmond and the SNP then vote him out at the first Scottish election.

And phuck the bigoted clueless buns who don't give a shyte about their own country.






wow wee , little OTT for me

steviex
04-01-2014, 12:02 AM
I'm voting YES...we can chuck out the Nats at the next election as an independent nation if needed. ;D

Surely better than what we've got, today's Thatcher/Tories story sums it up for me. :s

Indeed it does. The Scottish Secretary under Thatcher would only will to agree to 50% of the proposed cuts as long as it could be "covered by deception" his words ... and The Government of the day proved to be telling bare faced lies. I was never a Scargill fan but he was right about the closure plans that the government of the day blatantly denied were even being considered... and these kvnts want us to believe their better together campaign.

I accept the yes campaign will be lying too but frankly Id rather deal with our own lying bstards who would be more accountable to Scotland.

God help Scotland if we vote no we will basically say to the Tories you can do what you like and once a no vote is secured just wait to see what the Tories do

gersforme
04-01-2014, 12:04 AM
no is a done deal, live with it :D

steviex
04-01-2014, 12:08 AM
no is a done deal, live with it :D

It is and god help us.

KillieKingdom
04-01-2014, 01:35 AM
FAO Gers: Methinks that Salmond has only gone for same-sex marriage under him, because he's desperate for the gay vote with re: independence referendum and not for the reason it is originally intended.

I am probably going to be in the minority within the LGBT community voting NO. I can guarantee however that in England too, the idiots who voted, that a-hole Cameron in are probably feeling sheepish now after realising how much hurt and pain plus the damage he's done to the UK.

BertrandRussell
04-01-2014, 03:11 AM
Vote NO and we can still have a Socialist Britain.

gersforme
04-01-2014, 05:28 AM
I do not want to live under ancient anti english feeling disguised as "scottish nationalism", it has a dark underbelly of exclusivity which is not progressive in an ever shrinking world and European map, Salmond can quote all the ex Soviet states who went independent but they lived under communism all their phucking lives!

No wonder they got out the first chance they had!
A lot of poor souls think they are voting for Scotland "going it alone" far from it! They are voting for open borders, more rule from europe (just like eire), there is no nationalism here, just a bunch of junked up privileged lefties who made it into politics leading people to a marxist hellhole where everyone but bible believing Christans are welcome.

Those are the hard facts, I do not want the never ending expense of "independence", Scotland is better of with our fellow Brits, and regional division of an island , pro- devolution is madness.

OleOle
04-01-2014, 10:32 AM
"Buns In Rule Britannia Propaganda Shocker"

Phucking clowns.

:zzz: :zzz: :zzz:

Red_Zeppelin
04-01-2014, 11:00 AM
[quote="gersforme", it has a dark underbelly of exclusivity which is not progressive in an ever shrinking world and European map, Salmond can quote all the ex Soviet states who went independent but they lived under communism all their phucking lives!

No wonder they got out the first chance they had!
A lot of poor souls think they are voting for Scotland "going it alone" far from it! They are voting for open borders, more rule from europe (just like eire), there is no nationalism here, just a bunch of junked up privileged lefties who made it into politics leading people to a marxist hellhole where everyone but bible believing Christans are welcome.

Those are the hard facts, I do not want the never ending expense of "independence", Scotland is better of with our fellow Brits, and regional division of an island , pro- devolution is madness.[/quote]

yo

1995_Oh_My_Sides_
04-01-2014, 11:31 AM
YES all the way.

Any person claiming to be a Scot who doesn't vote YES is a phucking coward and not a true Scot. If you want to be ruled by Thatcher's children for the rest of your lives then phuck off and live with the Nigels in their shytehole of a land.

This is Scotland's only chance in our lifetime to do the right thing. It's an absolute no-brainer.

If you don't like Salmond and the SNP then vote him out at the first Scottish election.

And phuck the bigoted clueless buns who don't give a shyte about their own country.

The above, folks, is the best advert you will ever see for voting NO.

1995_Oh_My_Sides_
04-01-2014, 11:32 AM
Its totally right that the people living and working here in Scotland should make the descions effecting Scotland. And anyine who votes no because of Salmond has to be a total thicko !. Its like sayin im votin no cuz i like Cameron. Im voting YES for a richer better fairer Scotland.

anyone that votes yes because there will be a richer better fairer scotland is also a thicko as there are no guarantees one way or another it could be better, it could be worse[/quote]

Ex phuckin' actly.

DeeMo
04-01-2014, 11:55 AM
YES all the way.

Any person claiming to be a Scot who doesn't vote YES is a phucking coward and not a true Scot. If you want to be ruled by Thatcher's children for the rest of your lives then phuck off and live with the Nigels in their shytehole of a land.

This is Scotland's only chance in our lifetime to do the right thing. It's an absolute no-brainer.

If you don't like Salmond and the SNP then vote him out at the first Scottish election.

And phuck the bigoted clueless buns who don't give a shyte about their own country. I'm undecided on which way to vote but when I read posts like this it makes me lean towards voting no. :? :s

Mook1
04-01-2014, 11:57 AM
Anyone swithering on their vote, here's a reason to vote Yes...

The Tories.

OleOle
04-01-2014, 12:09 PM
YES all the way.

Any person claiming to be a Scot who doesn't vote YES is a phucking coward and not a true Scot. If you want to be ruled by Thatcher's children for the rest of your lives then phuck off and live with the Nigels in their shytehole of a land.

This is Scotland's only chance in our lifetime to do the right thing. It's an absolute no-brainer.

If you don't like Salmond and the SNP then vote him out at the first Scottish election.

And phuck the bigoted clueless buns who don't give a shyte about their own country. I'm undecided on which way to vote but when I read posts like this it makes me lean towards voting no. :? :s[/quote]

Excellent explanation. You'll go far :D

tartanscone1314
04-01-2014, 12:10 PM
Its a NO from me , we are far better part of the British Empire .


:star: :star: :star: :star: :star: +7

DeeMo
04-01-2014, 12:13 PM
YES all the way.

Any person claiming to be a Scot who doesn't vote YES is a phucking coward and not a true Scot. If you want to be ruled by Thatcher's children for the rest of your lives then phuck off and live with the Nigels in their shytehole of a land.

This is Scotland's only chance in our lifetime to do the right thing. It's an absolute no-brainer.

If you don't like Salmond and the SNP then vote him out at the first Scottish election.

And phuck the bigoted clueless buns who don't give a shyte about their own country. I'm undecided on which way to vote but when I read posts like this it makes me lean towards voting no. :? :s[/quote]

Excellent explanation. You'll go far :D[/quote] I think it's better than your explanation to vote yes. :P :D I'm still undecided

psych
04-01-2014, 12:17 PM
Its a NO from me , we are far better part of the British Empire .


:star: :star: :star: :star: :star: +7

If by the British Empire you mean what is now called the commonwealth Scotland will still be part of that you zoomer.

psych
04-01-2014, 12:19 PM
I think it's better than your explanation to vote yes. :P :D I'm still undecided


Its pretty simple do you want decisions to made about in Scotland in Scotland or in London. Which of these 2 do you think are more likely to act in Scotland's interest?

DeeMo
04-01-2014, 12:28 PM
I think it's better than your explanation to vote yes. :P :D I'm still undecided


Its pretty simple do you want decisions to made about in Scotland in Scotland or in London. Which of these 2 do you think are more likely to act in Scotland's interest?[/quote] I believe there is a bit mare to it than that. I'm going to decide nearer the time when the real debates start. I do see what you are saying though and of course the answer to your question is Scotland if you don't look into all the pros and cons :?

521buc
04-01-2014, 12:34 PM
As I'm anti war anti trident it's a big yes from me..

I feel for people that come back from conflicts in a box just young guys that hurts.:blue:

tartanscone1314
04-01-2014, 12:35 PM
I heard we will have tae watch Brigadoon and Braveheart if its a yes vote , I like watching The Chase and stuff like that tae help ma intelligance .

steviex
04-01-2014, 02:28 PM
I think it's better than your explanation to vote yes. :P :D I'm still undecided


Its pretty simple do you want decisions to made about in Scotland in Scotland or in London. Which of these 2 do you think are more likely to act in Scotland's interest?[/quote] I believe there is a bit mare to it than that. I'm going to decide nearer the time when the real debates start. I do see what you are saying though and of course the answer to your question is Scotland if you don't look into all the pros and cons :?[/quote]

There will be NO real debate and if you are waiting for one to make up your mind you'd be as well staying in the house on 18th September. The No camp will lie through their teeth with endless scare stories. The Yes campaign will lie through their teeth telling you everything will be perfect and if you believe either side you seriously nee

1995_Oh_My_Sides_
04-01-2014, 02:30 PM
I heard we will have tae watch Brigadoon and Braveheart if its a yes vote , I like watching The Chase and stuff like that tae help ma intelligance .

I have it on good authority that we will be made to eat haggis every Thursday and listen to Andy Stewart records.

For that reason, I'm out.

Taintedice
04-01-2014, 02:40 PM
Even if it fails, a strong Yes vote is required, otherwise the Tories will go all-out to f*ck the country up knowing the Scots won't stand up for each other. Pretty much the way it's always been.

Bennachie
04-01-2014, 02:48 PM
Even if it fails, a strong Yes vote is required, otherwise the Tories will go all-out to f*ck the country up knowing the Scots won't stand up for each other. Pretty much the way it's always been.

I agree wi' that...I'd prefer tae see us take a chance on our own. I think they have a lot more to lose than us.

1995_Oh_My_Sides_
04-01-2014, 02:56 PM
Even if it fails, a strong Yes vote is required, otherwise the Tories will go all-out to f*ck the country up knowing the Scots won't stand up for each other. Pretty much the way it's always been.

I agree wi' that...I'd prefer tae see us take a chance on our own. I think they have a lot more to lose than us.[/quote]

"take a chance"?

And what if it goes t1ts up? Do we go crawling back to the UK and say, "erm, sorry about leaving, we phucked up, any chance you could take us back"?

Taintedice
04-01-2014, 03:10 PM
I don't really see how it can f*ck up, to be honest. Scotland is well-established, and all the ***** institutions have been independent since the middle-ages. The implemenation of this H2 will see north of Birmingham become a wasteland, so I think it's ***** for Scotland to establish its own economic base there, rather than worrying about London. The SNP are always going to struggle to make the economic case as we're a wee country and will be subject to a lot of international pressures, same as other smaller countries. But, if you want to see your country and citizens protected from an uncaring govt in London, vote Yes :)

Bennachie
04-01-2014, 03:15 PM
Even if it fails, a strong Yes vote is required, otherwise the Tories will go all-out to f*ck the country up knowing the Scots won't stand up for each other. Pretty much the way it's always been.

I agree wi' that...I'd prefer tae see us take a chance on our own. I think they have a lot more to lose than us.[/quote]

"take a chance"?

And what if it goes t1ts up? Do we go crawling back to the UK and say, "erm, sorry about leaving, we phucked up, any chance you could take us back"?[/quote]


Maybe not the best choice of words however, the chance(or risk), in my eyes is how long it would take to get get properly set-up on our own and iron out the inevitable issues.

I wouldn't go "crawling back" as you say. We would get it right it, I have absolute faith in that, its more a question of how long would it take and at what cost...mana

steviex
04-01-2014, 03:16 PM
Even if it fails, a strong Yes vote is required, otherwise the Tories will go all-out to f*ck the country up knowing the Scots won't stand up for each other. Pretty much the way it's always been.

I agree wi' that...I'd prefer tae see us take a chance on our own. I think they have a lot more to lose than us.[/quote]

"take a chance"?

And what if it goes t1ts up? Do we go crawling back to the UK and say, "erm, sorry about leaving, we phucked up, any chance you could take us back"?[/quote]

We would be the first of 157 countries to become independent from the UK to go crawling back. Do people seriously think the sky will fall in because we stand on our own... that really frightening that people have such little regard for our own abilities ... even the countries who started independence from a 3rd world state still didnt want to co

tartanscone1314
04-01-2014, 03:17 PM
I heard you will need a passport tae visit England , and a pint of lager is gonnae cost me 10 .


Sorry , but its a no .

Bennachie
04-01-2014, 03:19 PM
Even if it fails, a strong Yes vote is required, otherwise the Tories will go all-out to f*ck the country up knowing the Scots won't stand up for each other. Pretty much the way it's always been.

I agree wi' that...I'd prefer tae see us take a chance on our own. I think they have a lot more to lose than us.[/quote]

"take a chance"?

And what if it goes t1ts up? Do we go crawling back to the UK and say, "erm, sorry about leaving, we phucked up, any chance you could take us back"?[/quote]

We would be the first of 157 countries to become independent from the UK to go crawling back. Do people seriously think the sky will fall in because we stand on our own... that really frightening that people have such little regard for our own abilities ... even the countries who started independence

Taintedice
04-01-2014, 03:28 PM
It's difficult to assess the impacts on folks' day-to-day life, I can see some stiff rises in the price of alcohol and fags, as the SNP are health-nuts and want to stop the sick man of Europe syndrome, meaning also they'll no doubt ratch up the pressure on individuals (nanny-state) to look after themselves better. Nae wunner gersforme is a No XD

Poguemahone
04-01-2014, 03:34 PM
I heard you will need a passport tae visit England , and a pint of lager is gonnae cost me A?10 .


Sorry , but its a no .

Nae c*** needs a passport to visit England...its a free for all country!

JimmyHaze
04-01-2014, 03:40 PM
I just think if we really are a country we should have our own government voted in by us not have a government voted in by our bigger neighbour.

Lets face it England runs the UK and now more than ever London runs England.

Why would we think they look out for us more than we would ourselves is beyond me.

How many other countries in the world dont have their own government?

Taintedice
04-01-2014, 03:45 PM
All you need to visit/live in England is a 7-times removed cousin, then bring the entire family with you.

weelabourwifie
05-01-2014, 01:45 AM
As one who used to beleive in the UK I no longer do, This unequal union has done nothing has taken Scotlands rich resourses and squandered them on the rich, And also Wars nobody wants, Enough is Enough if Scotland stays within this union we will get stuffed every time, My big hope was always the Labour party but in a lot of ways they are worse than the tories !! At least you always know what you will get from the tories, The fact is now the Labour party cannot get elected unless it panders to the rich and affulent London and the SE of England, This IS where UK elections are won and lossed, Im broken hearted at what the Labour party has become, They use Scotland like an auld hoor ! Enough folks let take control of our own destiny ! for that reason Im voting Yes,

Taintedice
05-01-2014, 02:15 AM
I think Scottish socialists will vote No as they don't want to abandon their 'brothers' to the tories down south. I can sympathise with that, as there is a good chance labour and the lib/dumbs will form the next UK government. But socialism is a failed creed at the UK level, so what's the point. It could perhaps work in a smaller country like Scotland, as long as there is a fallback position.