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ClaretTony
10-01-2014, 09:57 AM
See link for safe standing survey on behalf of Clarets Mad and supporters clubs - view external link (www.clarets-mad.co.uk/news/tmnw/do_you_want_to_stand_up_or_sit_down_for_the_claret s_821043/index.shtml)

ClaretTony2014
10-01-2014, 10:02 AM
I'd appreciate it if as many of you as possible, whatever your views on the subject, could fill in the short survey.

I've just done it.

Leisure
10-01-2014, 10:06 AM
Done.

Quicknick
10-01-2014, 10:07 AM
Just filled mine in. STAND UP FOR THE BUR-NER-LEE 1111

Den_Perry
10-01-2014, 10:08 AM
Just done it. Would be great if (when the time comes) the Cricket Field end is rebuilt as a large Kop style single tier stand with the standing rail/seating system in place.

the_quoon
10-01-2014, 10:14 AM
just a small thing but aren't the 'sometimes i just prefer sitting/standing' answers attached to the wrong questions? i think they should be the other way round.

ClaretCasual
10-01-2014, 10:17 AM
Survey done! Please make this happen at Turf Moor!!!!!!

Darthlaw
10-01-2014, 10:23 AM
Done!

Could we create our own version of Dortmund's 'Yellow wall' here in Burnley?

http://i44.tinypic.com/2cygpeg.jpg

polskaclaret
10-01-2014, 10:33 AM
Would be nice to make this officially official.
The current standing area is a shambles.

thewellernut70
10-01-2014, 10:38 AM
done.

Espia
10-01-2014, 10:39 AM
This is as much about allowing people the right to sit as it is about allowing people the right to stand.

Survey done.

CaptJohn
10-01-2014, 10:46 AM
Survey completed.

"I can't stand sitting down!" XD

As a Longsider from way back when, I feel that the youth of today should be given the opportunity to enjoy that great feeling of watching a match when standing up.

ClaretTony2014
10-01-2014, 10:48 AM
"This is as much about allowing people the right to sit as it is about allowing people the right to stand"

Absolutely it is. I stood for years but often now for me it is a problem due to arthritis. It's about people having the choice.

durhamclaret
10-01-2014, 12:10 PM
Done, us oldies need to sit! however you young un's should have a designated standing area UTC

ClaretMatt4
10-01-2014, 12:19 PM
Done. I'd be shocked it results in anything but a resounding yes from every club.

stokesy19
10-01-2014, 12:35 PM
Done.

OssettClaret
10-01-2014, 12:41 PM
Done , I miss the old Longside and whilst it wasn't always the safest environment, it was a great atmosphere and great fun as a teenager. The German model looks a safe idea and has a dual purpose for standing and seated. I just hope the campaign builds momentum and doesn't drag on few years with people bleating on about the bad old days.

zumerzet_claret
10-01-2014, 12:41 PM
Done.

ashtonlongsider
10-01-2014, 12:56 PM
Completed. After the debacle/seating at Wigan, i'm sure standing is just as safe and a lot safer than unreserved seating. Due to the congestion around the exits that day, especially in the second half, my wife feared someone would be trappled on and seriously injured if we'd scored. Standing, bring it on the sooner the better. Aged 60+.

bfcjg
10-01-2014, 01:00 PM
Done .

Ashingtonclaret46
10-01-2014, 01:02 PM
Done.
Just like Durham and CT I prefer to sit these days, however, everyone should have the choice and this would avoid the unnecessary conflict between fans.

bleedingClaret
10-01-2014, 01:13 PM
Done UTC

DavetheVicar
10-01-2014, 01:19 PM
Completed.

lotty1
10-01-2014, 01:27 PM
Done with a different reply to the reply I would have forwarded 25 years ago . Absolutely about personal choice . :D

Claretforever
10-01-2014, 01:36 PM
I thi a couple of the choices are in the wrong place. The 'I just prefer sitting' and 'I just prefer standing' seem to be attached to the wrong question.

Filled it in anyway.

gogodiscodisco
10-01-2014, 01:41 PM
Would all the people that stand in JHU and JHL be willing to move to JML if they designated that as the standing section?

steve_f
10-01-2014, 01:43 PM
[no body]

Claretforever
10-01-2014, 02:09 PM
Gogo, I'm sure a lot would, although that will never happen. The steps aren't designed for it and are too shallow. Also, if you stand in there you block the view of the exec boxes, which is part of the reason for area changes lately.

claretspice
10-01-2014, 02:11 PM
Done. There are a few clubs where it might not be so popular - Brighton being one I can think of whose crowd base seems to be very enamored with the matchday experience at the Amex - but I'd expect the outcome to be overwhelmingly positive.

The trouble is that the PL aren't currently on board with this, and I would have thought their endorsement of the princple of rail seating would be necessary before most clubs in the Championship go for it (including us).

Certainly interesting for us though because if it becomes permissable, you could see us redeveloping the CFS on this basis.

One problem which will need to be thought through mind - this will raise interesting issues about away areas - for the principle of giving every fan the option of sitting or standing to work, you'll need to effectively have 2 away areas - one with seating, one with rail seats/standing. Otherwise, the biggest problem at all grounds - standing amongst away supporters - will not be solved.

Cajun
10-01-2014, 02:27 PM
Ha finally able to log into this new messageboard system after being continually kicked out :D anyways, this old Longsider has backed the standing option, we need the choice, forcibly mixing those who want to stand with those who want to sit is killing the game.

Redbeard
10-01-2014, 02:28 PM
Done.

mdd2
10-01-2014, 02:36 PM
I prefer to sit but agree with others that safe standing areas that make it impossible to have the debacles witnessed over the years, should be allowed. I suspect there will be no increase in the capacity as a result and it will be a tough call for clubs to decide the %age for seating and standing

Alp12Mac
10-01-2014, 02:41 PM
Done.

Freedom of choice.

I was confused on 2 questions as probably other were regarding the 'sometimes I just prefer to stand/sit'

tybfc
10-01-2014, 02:45 PM
Done but I would be surprised if anything came out of it.

Jamb0MackemClaret
10-01-2014, 02:50 PM
What tybfc said. The FSF is pushing hard on this but nobody else wants to take the lead. Will need more heavyweight support to get anywhere.

Why couldn't we build a new CFS with seats at the front and rail standing at the back? Home fans in one side, away fans in the other?

cockneyclaret
10-01-2014, 03:15 PM
Done :-)

One day ill be at an away game without some p@@@k winging "sit down sit down"
whilst 3/4 of the end is standing (forest away)

ClaretTony2014
10-01-2014, 03:17 PM
"Done but I would be surprised if anything came out of it."

Something is starting to come out of it, clubs are now supporting a return to standing which they certainly weren't doing much over a year ago.

Some clubs are positively campaigning for it - the likes of Villa and Peterborough for two - and it needs everyone pulling in the same direction to give it as big a push as possible.

Thanks to all those who have signed the survey, and could I ask when in the article that you tweet it if you use Twitter to get survey spread round as much as possible.

cockneyclaret
10-01-2014, 03:25 PM
Tony do you know if any info on this subject would be available on match days??
Get it really spread around then.

Royconmike1
10-01-2014, 03:38 PM
As Den Perry said…..

Claretforever
10-01-2014, 03:39 PM
I think it's easy, Spice. Rail seats in the entire CFS, but the away section, depending upon away club needs, will have seats positioned down at the front. So if a new stand was to have 5,000 standing/seating places, split 50/50, then the away section may have 2,000 standing places but the front 500 are 'seats.'

loveburnley
10-01-2014, 04:03 PM
Done :)

Rossiclarets
10-01-2014, 04:51 PM
Done it

clitheroe_claret
10-01-2014, 05:05 PM
Done

Finally might get some real atmosphere back at Turf ala Longside, old CFS.

SteakPuddChipsNGravy
10-01-2014, 06:25 PM
Done. I think this campaign has momentum. And. If you look at it logically. There are thousands of football supporters, from all clubs, who break the law every week, which, in the currently designed all seater stadia increases the risk of incident / injury. If stadia had designated standing areas attending matches would be, in my opinion, safer and a lot more enjoyable

bobinho
10-01-2014, 06:48 PM
Done.

I would like a safe standing area, but it MUST be large enough to accommodate those who want to populate it, and also to generate the missing atmosphere.

I would like to stand at some games, and be happy to sit at others.

Ten years ago I only wanted to stand. In ten years time I will probably only be able to sit. ;D

But even when I can only sit, I would never vote for an all seater stadium. Knowing how good the atmosphere is and how it feels to move around and jump about after scoring and singing, I could never do anything to spoil that for any future clarets.

So a polite request for those of you who WANT to sit. With football being the price it is, there will always be a seat for you. But don't be selfish enough to vote for all seaters and spoil it for those who want to enjoy an experience you did.

ColdPieWarmBeer
10-01-2014, 07:22 PM
Done.

It'd be nice to come home from a match without having shaved a few millimetres off my shins. At this rate, I'm going to need prosthetic legs by the time I hit forty. Although it's not all bad. They'll probably be RoboCop-esque by that time. Gun (beer) holsters and everything. Imagine that; a bottle of disgusting, warm, weak lager stored in your leg compartment, cheeky sip when the stewards aren't looking during a match.

In fact, *******s to safe standing. I want my cyborg legs.

kritichris
10-01-2014, 07:22 PM
Done, stand by what i've said. :D

however..sing Stand up if you hate ... oops, I'm already standing

barlicker
10-01-2014, 07:23 PM
Done. Let's have a standing area. I now prefer to sit.

claretblue
10-01-2014, 07:42 PM
done!

Espia
10-01-2014, 08:25 PM
@Claret4ever ... eh?

You'd have to draw me a picture.

Rowls
10-01-2014, 09:03 PM
Done.

Would be great for English football if safe standing was made possible.

dougcollins
10-01-2014, 09:24 PM
I just can not see us going for home AND away fans standing in the CFS.

claretinoz
10-01-2014, 09:36 PM
Completed

bfcfan1882
10-01-2014, 11:36 PM
[no body]

claretarmy
11-01-2014, 01:24 AM
Done;lets hope

Longsider1994
11-01-2014, 02:23 AM
Done :)

MrClaretandBlue
11-01-2014, 03:36 AM
Done.

Claretforever
11-01-2014, 07:03 AM
Espia, it's simple really. The away section would ALL be rail seats, with, say 40 rows for example. The rail seats can either be locked (so you can stand), or unlocked (so they come down like you'd pull a seat down now, and be a seat). So the first xxx amount of rows would be unlocked, and the ones after those rows, going backwards towards the back of the stand, would be locked.

I can't see the problems with two sets of supporters standing in one end? We did it in the PL anyway. A purposely designed stand for it would allow a no mans land in the middle (above and underneath the stand).

kilo123
11-01-2014, 09:24 AM
Why is there a need for rail seats rather than just rails?

Claretforever
11-01-2014, 09:30 AM
UEFA competitions state that you must be seated (?) in their competitions, whereas UK legislation just states that seats must be provided for all people attending. You may think 'well Burnley won't ever qualify' but that's not the point. Also see Wigan last season in the FA Cup.

Dortmund, for example, have rail seats at the back of their huge terrace (UK's preferred option) and also another style where, I believe, they fold away (every other step is metal) underneath, creating a more traditional terrace. For European games it's all seated.

To therefore comply with UEFA seats must be available. With rail SEATS they are, just locked in the upright position.

Claretforever
11-01-2014, 10:14 AM
I hope that the link works - I'm on iPad.

It's a Chelsea FC video forum from October, and has John Darch involved explaining all about safe standing. It's 20 mins long, but I think it's well worth a watch/listen. - view external link (youtu.be/jaL8VwGYvWc)

Claretforever
12-01-2014, 07:45 PM
Another good video (10 mins) which is worth a watch. Some good footage of Dortmund and their famous terrace - normal terracing at the front and the rail seats towards the back in the new(er) section. - view external link (youtu.be/FXwXVBF2w5o)