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hopey_lhcc
11-06-2014, 09:38 AM
We've been busy going through the old scorebooks and we're getting an all time amateur statistics put together. Makes some interesting reading certainly with the amount of wickets and runs scored.

We'll be adding more this week, we currently have the years 1961 and 1968 to 2013.

Link below! - view external link (http://lowerhousecc.com/amateur-statistics-by-surname/)

wmdave_b
11-06-2014, 02:32 PM
Great link thanks, some legends on those averages, Alan Holden, Trevor Jones (shame he defected) Brian Higgins, from my time, but the more recent Guys have outshone these big time. Come on the house.
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hopey_lhcc
11-06-2014, 06:57 PM
We're adding more and more as the year goes on, but its solved the greatest debate of all time...

Did Brian Higgin score more runs that Stan Heaton?

Yes, about 150 more, but in 80 odd more innings!

Ashingtonclaret46
11-06-2014, 07:25 PM
Doing a great job and it is always interesting to look back to the heyday of Lancashire League cricket.

There are similar details on the Church CC site if anybidy is interested. - view external link (stats.churchcc.co.uk/)

nil_desperandum
11-06-2014, 10:45 PM
"Doing a great job and it is always interesting to look back to the heyday of Lancashire League cricket."
Would you say that was the 1920s or 30s Ashington? :D

ClaretTony2014
11-06-2014, 10:50 PM
"interesting to look back to the heyday of Lancashire League cricket"

I would think the heyday started to come to an end after the 1967 when the counties were allowed to introduce foreign players. It meant a lot of test players who had previously played in the leagues were lost.

I started watching Lancashire League cricket in 1961 and from that year to 1967 there were a lot of the top players in world cricket at the time who played in the league as pros.

Ashingtonclaret46
11-06-2014, 10:59 PM
I agree Tony. There were some great Test players playing in the League in the late 1950s through to the late 1960s, particularly from the West Indies.
Most of them were established Test players because in those days they did not play Test cricket all year as we do now.
The Test Series in the Caribbean now between the West Indies and New Zealand would never have taken place in the 1960s and 1970s. The players coming over here as professionals were fairly well paid in those days.

nil_desperandum -- you would need to ask mdd2 about the 20s and 30s ;D

ClaretTony2014
11-06-2014, 11:04 PM
Just looking at the West Indies team of the 1960s we had Conrad Hunte, Basil Butcher, Wes Hall, Lance Gibbs and Charlie Griffith in the league. I also saw such as Ian Chappell (Australia) and Eddie Barlow (SA) around the same time.

Test players have been in more recent years such as Michael Holding, Andy Roberts, Viv Richards and Dennis Lillee but back in the 60s (I don't go back into the 50s) there was a conveyor belt of the top players.

nil_desperandum
12-06-2014, 10:01 AM
A notable omission from the 1960s there Tony - a certain Clive Lloyd.
Going back to the late 50s (also before my time), we must remember 2 other great West Indians (Weelkes and Walcott), alongside the likes of Lindwall.
As for when was the heyday. I'll go for 1949. That was the year when League record crowds of 325,000 attended matches.
Pros included: Everton Weekes, Vijay Hazare, Bill Alley, Cec Pepper,Jack Pettiford, Bruce Dooland.

ClaretTony2014
12-06-2014, 10:25 AM
Very much a notable omission. I saw Clive Hubert Lloyd play for Haslingden at Burnley and he looked the most unlikely cricketer with his big heavy glasses tied up at the back and that loping frame.

A few weeks later I saw him in a Cavaliers game at Southport. He batted with Sobers. Both got into the 80s and Lloyd outbatted the great man. I knew then he was going to be a top, top player.

I saw him play countless times for Lancs and when he batted well it was worth the admission money alone.

You've mentioned two pros there who my dad would say were the best. As a Burnley fan he would always say that Cecil G Pepper was the best ever pro, but he said the best batsman he ever saw play in the Lancs League was Everton Weekes at Bacup.

Wasn't Hazare the one who followed Pep by doing the double?

nil_desperandum
12-06-2014, 10:38 AM
"In the Lancashire League, he scored 1.075 runs at 71.66 and took 104 wickets at 9.82 for Rawtenstall in 1949"
He opened the batting and bowling for India in what was a relatively weak side, but had good averages.
Apparently he was discarded from the Test side due to slow scoring and a defensive attitude.

ClaretTony2014
12-06-2014, 10:41 AM
Pep was the first ever to do the LL double. I think Hazare came just one week later. As you said, the crowds were massive then and there were damn good crowds in the 60s when I first started watching.

Great memories for me.

nil_desperandum
12-06-2014, 11:10 AM
"As you said, the crowds were massive then and there were damn good crowds in the 60s when I first started watching."
Same for me Tony, but I doubt the aggregate was anywhere near 325,000.
I think it's an average of about 1750 at every match, and some would have been rained off!

arise_sir_charge
12-06-2014, 11:43 AM
A trip down to Lowerhouse tomorrow evening could remind some of just how busy the grounds used to be.

Tomorrow is the T20 game between Lowerhouse and Burnley and with the weather set fair you should see a bumper crowd.

Lowerhouse get reasonable crowds these days with a large membership providing the bulk of that support. Not as big as the old days no doubt but very good for league cricket.

hopey_lhcc
12-06-2014, 11:58 AM
There is a large crowd expected as you said! Excited for it!

You can actually win a crate of beer if your coming.. See below how to. - view external link (http://lowerhousecc.com/retweet-for-a-crate-twenty20-competition/)

ClaretTony2014
12-06-2014, 04:00 PM
"Lowerhouse get reasonable crowds these days with a large membership providing the bulk of that support. Not as big as the old days no doubt but very good for league cricket."


I believe Lowerhouse are now one of the better supported clubs in the league. The last LL game I attended was Lowerhouse v Rishton about three years ago and there was a decent crowd on that day.

Some clubs I hear it's got down almost to one man and his dog? Didn't someone say on here there were less than 50 home supporters at the Colne v Lowerhouse game? No wonder clubs are in trouble financially.

lotty1
12-06-2014, 06:58 PM
Another West Indies player left out is Collie Smith who was pro at Burnley when I started watching . Sadly killed in a car crash in 1959 aged just 26 . How good would he have been ?

I watched every ball of his great innings at Lowerhouse in the Worsley Cup when he scored 306 not out .

maldini_
12-06-2014, 08:31 PM
The eras you are talking about was during the time my grandad and uncle played for Burnley c.c . Jack and Gary Downey

joenaynever
12-06-2014, 08:47 PM
in 1949 Rawtenstall (hazare)vBacup (weekes)
attracted a crowd of over ten thousand people.
That was obviously in the time of the Golden Valley

ClaretTony2014
12-06-2014, 09:10 PM
"The eras you are talking about was during the time my grandad and uncle played for Burnley c.c . Jack and Gary Downey"

I remember Gary Downey. I think that would have the 1970s.

Biggest attendance I saw was 1964 Worsley Cup Final between Burnley & Rishton. Gate receipts were around 730 pounds at two bob entry for adults. With kids and pensioners it would have been over 10,000. Staggering numbers.

maldini_
12-06-2014, 09:15 PM
Hi CT, I've got a score sheet somewhere of Gary taking 2 wickets in a game and a certain Joel Garner taking the other 8

ClaretTony2014
12-06-2014, 10:03 PM
I remember Garner playing for Burnley. It was against Haslingden at Turf Moor.

maldini_
12-06-2014, 10:07 PM
That's correct . That's well remembered CT

ClaretTony2014
12-06-2014, 10:07 PM
And found it but John Edmondson got one of the wickets. - view external link (http://lancashireleague.com/Scorecards/111/111178.html)

ClaretTony2014
12-06-2014, 10:09 PM
I remembered the game because Garner got the obnoxious Knowles & Entwistle.