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Fretters
14-08-2014, 07:40 PM
Another Sky Sports understands. Would love to pull this one off. - view external link (http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11682/9422194/transfer-news-burnley-eye-wigan-midfielder-james-mcarthur)

fatboy47
14-08-2014, 07:45 PM
Not McCann ?? :O

markyboy12345
14-08-2014, 07:47 PM
I would tend to agree we desperately require someone like McArthur in our squad.

Im not holding my breath but i hope im wrong.

ClaretTony2014
14-08-2014, 07:49 PM
McArthur - he'll be all over the park

sexgod
14-08-2014, 07:56 PM
as long as doesn't leave his cake out in the rain CT!

melbritt
14-08-2014, 07:57 PM
McArthur - he'll be all over the park

I see what you did there!

ClaretTony2014
14-08-2014, 08:06 PM
"as long as doesn't leave his cake out in the rain CT!"

If he does I suspect all the sweet, green icing will flow down

andyh
14-08-2014, 08:48 PM
Surely a midfield General if ever there was one.

davido
14-08-2014, 09:03 PM
C'mon guys let's not make this a witch-hunt

WIGANFACUPHISTORY
14-08-2014, 09:17 PM
Not a chance in hell of him going to Burnley.

jojomk1
14-08-2014, 09:18 PM
I don't think that I can take this
Cos it took so long to write this
We may never have a centre mid again
Oh no ...
Oh no ...

dsr
14-08-2014, 09:27 PM
Is that assertion based on knowledge or wishful thinking, wiganer?

IanMcL
14-08-2014, 09:31 PM
Another bid melts away, as we are kept in the dark?

CasaDeClaret
14-08-2014, 09:39 PM
Fee agreed apparently,
just tweets from various people on Twitter mind.

skiptonclaret
14-08-2014, 09:53 PM
Bid of 4m rejected according to Daily Mail (online).

AdamGBFC
14-08-2014, 10:07 PM
"4m bid rejected from Burnley" everywhere. We aren't offering enough money?


... In other news, you put bread in a toaster and Barry Kilby's ginger.

Oshkoshclaret
14-08-2014, 10:24 PM
I Shall Return to this thread later

ecc
14-08-2014, 10:30 PM
One of the best songs by an actor in my humble opinion.

ClaretTony2014
14-08-2014, 10:39 PM
Brilliant song ecc - view external link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRwYQgk05DY)

WIGANFACUPHISTORY
15-08-2014, 02:31 AM
You can have him for 6m plus Holt

charlieinkentucky
15-08-2014, 03:26 AM
if you're throwing Holt in then we're only paying 2

Jamb0MackemClaret
15-08-2014, 09:18 AM
Been hoping we go in for this guy all summer.

Pidgeon
15-08-2014, 09:22 AM
The club that just keeps on getting bids rejected. ha ha.

jojomk1
15-08-2014, 09:23 AM
Let me get this right

£4m for a guy who was totally outplayed by Jones and Marney last year

Desperate times need desperate measures but this is going too far

thewellernut70
15-08-2014, 09:28 AM
"The club that just keeps on getting bids rejected. ha ha."


The amount of knock backs they are getting they must feel like Jehovah Witnesses

Jamb0MackemClaret
15-08-2014, 09:29 AM
I doubt we're only going for players on the basis of how they performed against us at Turf Moor.

mgill87
15-08-2014, 09:30 AM
4mil sounds about right to me. If Wigan want to hold out for some ridiculous fee that he's not worth then that's their prerogative.

jojomk1
15-08-2014, 09:35 AM
We want to improve our side

The Wigan home game last year was just as important to them and McArthur was nowhere to be seen when the pressure was on

I would have thought performances against the best Championship sides from last year would be a good benchmark and he failed to impress

Maybe he had a decent game against Yeovil

braindead
15-08-2014, 09:35 AM
Some brilliant comments on here: A Burnley fan laughing at how many knock backs we have had for players and somebody discounting a player because he didn't play well against Burnley last season.

Mind blown.

Walton
15-08-2014, 09:38 AM
Maybe he's got a point about judging players on how they play against us - after all, Keith Treacy got 4 years grace from some people here for a performance on the Turf for Preston.

Jamb0MackemClaret
15-08-2014, 09:39 AM
The whole Wigan team was pretty poor that day, partly because we played very well. Gomez was also well below par and he's got a move back to the Premier League with Sunderland.

CarlesTheClaretPuyol
15-08-2014, 11:10 AM
"Another Sky Sports understands. Would love to pull this one off."

Easy. This is a family messageboard.

pearcey
15-08-2014, 04:08 PM
From Boden

"Chris Boden [!]8207;@bodenknights 2m
Wigan maintaining James McArthur not for sale, no bid from Burnley, managers have spoken"

CnBtruntru
15-08-2014, 04:23 PM
Rosler will not sell if Wigan do not need the money.

Notrigsbyscat
15-08-2014, 04:31 PM
McArthur was one of Wigan's standout players in their recent PL team. Performances against us last term not relevant

ClaretMani
15-08-2014, 04:39 PM
Wasn't Judas Coyle after him when he was our saviour?
Decent player but another one beyond our reach I'm afraid.

cockneyclaret
15-08-2014, 04:57 PM
Maybe drop a league and we might get some one to sign!

Claretissimo
15-08-2014, 10:16 PM
I think if McArthur really wanted Premier League football he would ask for a transfer. Wigan dropped off alarmingly at the end of the season and this year haven't really picked up the pace. Some of their players look uncomfortable with life in the Championship.

blyclaret
16-08-2014, 08:33 AM
Twitter talk. Deal done.

pearcey
16-08-2014, 08:36 AM
You're seeing something I'm not then.

blyclaret
16-08-2014, 08:38 AM
Think it's a wind up ...to get forests attention

jedi_master
16-08-2014, 08:50 AM
Nixon says we made a very low offer that was miles away from acceptable.

skiptonclaret
16-08-2014, 08:51 AM
Really ?

JohnMcGreal
16-08-2014, 08:54 AM
Nixon says we made a very low offer that was miles away from acceptable.

I don't believe it.

BriscoCountyJr
16-08-2014, 09:16 AM
Nixon says we made a very low offer that was miles away from acceptable.

Claret by Sunday then.

northeastclaret
16-08-2014, 09:27 AM
Nixon says we made a very low offer that was miles away from acceptable

Nothing new there then.

harrowclaret
16-08-2014, 10:08 AM
At least Nixon didn't say our offer was "derisory " just "far from acceptable".:D

IanMcL
16-08-2014, 10:42 AM
So now we add Lafferty as a loan?

DiBraidio
20-08-2014, 04:44 PM
I wonder if this could have an influence on the Jimmy Mc situation. - view external link (http://footballleagueworld.co.uk/wigan-boss-bemoans-destroyed-transfer-market-123/)

The Bedlington Terrier
20-08-2014, 05:50 PM
Nixon knows that we always make low bids. Where's the news in that?

steddyman
20-08-2014, 05:50 PM
According to Nixon todays offer is way, way below the £4 million asking price and will just be ignored.

Probably just another empty gesture to fans to make it look like they are trying to sign players.

notnowbernard
20-08-2014, 07:22 PM
Confused.com here, we have made a bid of £4m & according to Sky are going back in with another bid but Nixon saying our bid way below £4m...help :?

morninbob
20-08-2014, 07:28 PM
Nixon says we bid 2.5m which is a joke !

CrustyCrouton
20-08-2014, 07:32 PM
I am rapidly beginning to think we are not going to sign anyone of significance this summer, which truly is an insult to the fans.

lotty1
20-08-2014, 07:32 PM
Or - maybe Nixon's a joke ! :D

ClaretAWH
20-08-2014, 07:36 PM
Unless it is 2.5 mil followed by 2 mil for addon clauses of course?...

morninbob
20-08-2014, 07:44 PM
Nixon knows more than anyone on here that's for sure.

TheTalentedMrRipley
20-08-2014, 07:59 PM
What is going on?

jedi_master
20-08-2014, 08:06 PM
"Or - maybe Nixon's a joke !"

I hope that was tongue in cheek Lotty - Nixon has been bang on with everything that has happened in Burnley in terms of transfers since last August.

He has today said that we are unlikely to sign Dawson, won't pay whats needed for Lansbury and have offered a frankly insulting amount for McArthur. Either someone has fed him duff info for the first time in 12 months, or it's the truth, I would be inclined to believe the latter.

My biggest concern isn't that we haven't yet brought anyone in - it's that I don't want Dyche to get frustrated at our board over the proceedings :?

LancasterClaret
20-08-2014, 08:06 PM
Being unhappy about the transfer activity is one thing

Outdoing the tweet before in ****wittery is another

Bin_Ont_Turf
20-08-2014, 08:13 PM
'Nixon has been bang on with everything that has happened in Burnley in terms of transfers since last August'


He hadn't a clue about Ward.

One example.

Jimscho
20-08-2014, 10:01 PM
If Nixon says it ,it must be right mustn't it or wait isn't he just a journo and not a member of the Burnley Board.Why do some people hang on his every word and believe its true.

CrustyCrouton
20-08-2014, 10:04 PM
"Nixon knows more than anyone on here that's for sure."






That is like saying Michael Jackson is more innocent than Ian Watkins.

arise_sir_charge
20-08-2014, 10:07 PM
A quite frankly ridiculous and non-sensical contribution from crusty.

The fact is, like it or not, Nixon is usually reliable with his info about us.

harrowclaret
20-08-2014, 10:11 PM
"He hadn't a clue about Ward"

Judging by the fact that Burnley hijacked his move to Brighton at the 11th hour nor did Sean Dyche. Ward was hardly a main Burnley transfer target since he was available throughout the summer and only appeared on the radar when all other SD targets were out of range (price, that is).

Steve_Harpers_Perm
20-08-2014, 10:34 PM
The reliable Daily Mail claiming we've gone back in with £5 million pound bid!!! - view external link (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/teampages/burnley.html)

BestBlokeInDoncaster
20-08-2014, 10:46 PM
That's more like it!

claretblue
20-08-2014, 11:15 PM
that's the way to do it! :star:

steddyman
20-08-2014, 11:24 PM
If Nicko says it is significantly less than £4 million then I believe him.

thedonz
20-08-2014, 11:40 PM
I feel this one will happen

yorkyclaret
20-08-2014, 11:40 PM
I believed him the first couple of times he said we would sign someone in the next 48 hours, got slightly skeptical since then.

Bin_Ont_Turf
20-08-2014, 11:53 PM
'Judging by the fact that Burnley hijacked his move to Brighton at the 11th hour nor did Sean Dyche'

Oh so now we are getting in players that Dyche doesn't want or doesn't know about. Splendid.

I don't see how your post relates to what I replied to, Nixon doesn't know everything Burnley do and that is a fact (which has been proved).

I've no problem with folk who follow every word that he says, but I have a problem when they come on here and regurgitate it as fact and the melon heads on this board cling on to it and then slate the club/board.

I've a good mind to join that twittering lark just to post what is being said on this board on his twitter account. Let's see if they like reading that.

Of course he's got fingers in pies all o'er shop and he's hanging out of many agents arris', he's a slimy journo so that's his job.

He hasn't predicted every Burnley transfer since last August though, which was the original point.

notnowbernard
21-08-2014, 06:09 AM
ClaretAWH post #56 - thank you, that begins to make sense, I guess we will have to wait & see the terms of the new £5m offer, but looks like like Wigan want £4m (or close to it) up front.

mdd2
21-08-2014, 06:36 AM
If that is true then I say give them the £4million up front. Given the largesse of the Directors stomping up £4million (if that is what is needed due to cash flow problems) should be a no brainer as they are guaranteed getting it back unlike some of the other loans they have made

Newcastleclaret1993
21-08-2014, 06:58 AM
Wigan fans seem to think it has already been rejected Anyone have any sources that back this up?

Pieandapint
21-08-2014, 07:26 AM
Good player and would be happy with him signing. Would prefer Lansbury of the two, more potential and likelihood for future resale, although McArthur certainly not old. Either would be a significant improvement on the first 11 which is what we need.

polskaclaret
21-08-2014, 07:28 AM
I rarely read tabloids so have never read a Nixon article.
I do follow his Twitter though and can confirm it is a private account ie his posts aren't publicised unless he lets you see them.
Also, he doesn't tend to talk about Burnley unless he is asked, from what I've seen (which occurs daily).
May add some perspective for people.

Pieandapint
21-08-2014, 07:36 AM
Probably continues to get an unfair rap since Coyles departure. It's all rumour and speculation but his sources appear to be pretty good as he's often on the money.

JakubsTash
21-08-2014, 07:40 AM
Decent enough player but if we're signing players from Wigan I would prefer the likes of McManaman or Maloney - wide players with either pace or guile.

skiptonclaret
21-08-2014, 07:48 AM
Lansbury is three years younger so the point made re potential resale is a good one. However it does appear that Lansbury is a little injury prone ? All irrelevant if Forest won't sell, of course.

topcat69
21-08-2014, 07:57 AM
Forest won't sell.
Wigan won't sell.
Where next, the clock is ticking.

northeastclaret
21-08-2014, 07:57 AM
Obviously Burnley's policy is not to comment on transfer speculation therefore we have to feed off Nixon to get information on what's going on.

He will get his information mainly from agents, which will mean its fairly accurate but will be subject to the spin agents want to put on it to suit their interests.

I believe most of what he says.

Pieandapint
21-08-2014, 08:10 AM
Agree about him being or at least appearing to be a little more injury prone. Only a Nixon view but has said on numerous occasions that if the cash (less than supposedly offered for McArthur) is paid upfront, Forest would be likely to sell.

Spend less, get more of a prospect and a similar level of player now.

This football transfer malarkey is a doddle when typing on a MB :-D

skiptonclaret
21-08-2014, 08:19 AM
Yeah, on balance, I think I'd favour Lansbury, don't see it happening though. We desperately need some more quality in midfield though, so either acceptable !

Pieandapint
21-08-2014, 08:27 AM
Be an interesting few days.

3putt
21-08-2014, 08:30 AM
"Decent enough player but if we're signing players from Wigan I would prefer the likes of McManaman or Maloney - wide players with either pace or guile."

Have to agree with that statement. Would be happy if we signed McArthur, but we desperately need a pacy/tricky winger that can open up teams. Without this type of creative player I can't see us scoring a enough goals.

As most fans agree, we really need 3 signings of quality - central defender, midfielder and tricky or pacy player. Hope we can get them, but should of had them already if we are to compete.

claretspice
21-08-2014, 08:45 AM
On the evidence of Monday night, it seems to me the priority has to be a central midfielder who is genuinely comfortable at this level of football.

Lansbury plays further forwards, so on that basis I'd prefer McArthur, although resale value is a relevant point.

You never know, we might be in for both.

As for Nixon, he gets some stuff right, no doubt. On this occasion, however, he's in a slightly odd place as it was generally reported last week that we were offering something like £4 million. Suspect it depends on how you interpret the deal.

DiBraidio
21-08-2014, 08:46 AM
I think the fact that we've pursued Dawson shows that we're definitely in the market for a centre back. Whether the club will do that deal with West Brom once their other players return to fitness who knows, but I'd be very surprised if SD doesn't get someone in before the window closes.

I was a bit concerned by Lansbury's fitness issues and we're still talking about potential with this lad, he only played 3 times for Arsenal and doesn't have the 80 odd Premier League starts behind him that McArthur does.
Not forgetting too that Lansbury has stated that he'd rather move back down south.

From what I understand SD doesn't want to spend 8-10 million on a player because of the impact it could have on team spirit. Makes me wonder how a 5 million signing would fit into the group.

NUMANdroid
21-08-2014, 08:56 AM
I think it would be viewed positively. The lad's know we are a bit short in places. And we most certainly have a couple of players already whose value will exceed £5m.

3putt
21-08-2014, 08:58 AM
We probably can't afford to be paying 8 -10 million on a player. But we definitely need to be looking at 5 or 6 mill in the current market.

"The group" will just have to get on with it and accept/welcome players who strengthen the team and give us more hope of staying in the Prem.

Pretty much all clubs in the EPL will have players who cost widely varying amounts on widely varying personal deals.

pearcey
21-08-2014, 09:00 AM
"On the evidence of Monday night, it seems to me the priority has to be a central midfielder who is genuinely comfortable at this level of football."

I don't think we can use the Chelsea game as a yard stick to be honest. There are not many midfielders who could've dealt with that performance.

DiBraidio
21-08-2014, 09:34 AM
Another one bites the dust? - view external link (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28879739)

CnBtruntru
21-08-2014, 09:40 AM
Good for Forest, wonder how much time he will spend on the physios table this year, we may have been lucky here.

Pieandapint
21-08-2014, 09:41 AM
Or potentially a quick public message to tempt further offers.

earbyclaret
21-08-2014, 09:47 AM
You could read that Pearce quote either way - desperate to keep him/trying to get the best price for him.

It appears he's trying to put pressure on Lansbury to sign by going public before he's put pen to paper. It's got the potential to backfire though as if we're still interested it's obviously not a done deal.

Newcastleclaret1993
21-08-2014, 09:48 AM
Isn't this just from the interview Pearce gave about a week ago. I don't think this is any closer to the deal happening

Darthlaw
21-08-2014, 09:50 AM
I was happy with the improved offer from my employer at the time, when approached with a job from a new firm.

I still joined the new firm, mind, as I was happy with their offer too plus it was a step up to a better firm.

I wouldnt read too much into this. Until the ink is on the paper nothing is done.

TheTalentedMrRipley
21-08-2014, 09:51 AM
No this is new information.

The quote last week was about a deal being offered. This quote is about his agent texting him saying he is happy with the terms offered. That wasn't in the last bit of information from Pearce.

Another missed opportunity due to our stingy board.

Bryson Mark 2 this.

McArthur will be a no go also.

I've said this time and time again.

sheffieldturfite
21-08-2014, 09:54 AM
"Have to agree with that statement. Would be happy if we signed McArthur, but we desperately need a pacy/tricky winger that can open up teams. Without this type of creative player I can't see us scoring a enough goals"

We desperately need a winger who can get an assist against one of the top teams in Europe, and another who scores one, and nearly two, against the same team. Oh wait...we have them already :-?

Listen to what Mourinho said about how our front four will cause problems. Not saying we can't improve them, but the priorities are in other areas.

DiBraidio
21-08-2014, 10:02 AM
We've managed to agree terms for 7 players this season.

I'll agree that Bryson appeared to slip through the net but like Lambert at Norwich did he ever have any intention of doing anything other than improving his terms?

It seems that Watford have turned down everyone for Deeney so were our board at fault for that?

West Brom, Forest and Wigan have all told us that the players we have made offers for are not for sale. Is that the club's fault? Clearly we could get them if we offer silly money but like Watford turning down over 10 million for Deeney at what point do you stop bidding on a player who isn't for sale?

CnBtruntru
21-08-2014, 10:02 AM
Why don't we just high jack the lad Wigan are signing from Brentford and use him as bait to get Mcarthur ;D

LancasterClaret
21-08-2014, 10:04 AM
"I've said this time and time again."

With nine posts Mr New poster?

Thick as mince, thick as mince

TheTalentedMrRipley
21-08-2014, 10:04 AM
We probably couldn't afford him either.

We didn't offer 10 million for Deeney, we offered around 6, according to the media etc.

We don't need to throw stupid money at it, why do people jump on that and use it as an argument.

4 million for Lansbury/McArthur is a very good deal and will greatly improve our starting eleven.

We need to look at this properly and not just think good teamwork, fitness and work ethic will get us by, cause in this league, it won't.

TheTalentedMrRipley
21-08-2014, 10:06 AM
Lancaster.

:)

Rileybobs
21-08-2014, 10:09 AM
Nice.

fatboy47
21-08-2014, 10:11 AM
withdrawn .. :/

LancasterClaret
21-08-2014, 10:13 AM
Took a screenshot

;D ;D

TheTalentedMrRipley
21-08-2014, 10:16 AM
Withdrawn? Where?

matty1294claret
21-08-2014, 10:17 AM
Getting more and more ridiculous/embarrasing as each day goes on. :/

lotty1
21-08-2014, 10:31 AM
The thing is that only those responsible for the signing of players know for sure what we've bid for the players in question and all the rest is supposition .
If people want to believe everything Nixon says then that is up to them .

I would imagine that we as a club have bid what we think each player is worth , whether it's all the cash up front or there are add ons etc .

Maybe the alternative is to just pay what the selling club asks for even if it he player isn't worth that amount . I mean Deeney surely isn't worth the 10 mill Watford are asking or is Dawson worth more than we've offered ? I don't know the answer to either but what I do know is that fees have again gone through the roof as a result of more TV money and no doubt that will continue to be the case . It really is a major problem for clubs like us especially and I don't think we can afford to throw silly money at it ; others may disagree with me .

It also seems from listening to Dyche that he doesn't want the club to p

pearcey
21-08-2014, 10:33 AM
The only thing getting more ridiculous and embarrassing is this messageboard! There's still 10 days till the window closes!

murger
21-08-2014, 10:39 AM
Then when the window shuts it will be 'its only 3 months until January' etc.

lotty1
21-08-2014, 10:46 AM
Come on merger you know it's 4 months . :D

TheTalentedMrRipley
21-08-2014, 10:49 AM
And if we were to get a bid of 6 million for Ings we'd find it insulting. Right?

It is what it is. We have to pay to get good players, obviously, that's logic.

No one is saying bet the ranch and spend everything but we also need to invest. We've spent nothing. Last seasons income will more than cover our transfer business so far.

We're sitting on 80 million this season. In the bank.

Martin_Bell
21-08-2014, 10:55 AM
Whether you believe Nixon or don't believe Nixon, it doesn't matter, the fact is we haven't managed to land players for the positions that most of us feel are desperately needed, CM and CD.

bobcloth1
21-08-2014, 10:56 AM
I wish we'd have got some of this tv money that's inflating transfer fees.

Jamb0MackemClaret
21-08-2014, 10:56 AM
It's not "in the bank" You don't get a novelty oversized lottery cheque on promotion. But since transfers are typically paid in installments anyway, cashflow shouldn't be a reason not to get big deals done.

I really like McArthur but same as Lansbury, if their club wants over £5m-ish I'm not sure they're worth it. We need a midfielder, but I don't know if we need one that badly.

Pieandapint
21-08-2014, 11:15 AM
Not worth that, of course not, but the market rate has gone up since our last visit to the PL. Fees for these sort of players have probably gone up about the same rate as the prize for promotion. It's stupid money but it's all relative and it will be more so when we are back in the Championship (whenever this may be).

We need to try to make the most of this opportunity. If those we buy have resale, the financial risk is minimised and the greater the potential for reward - more seasons in the top league pulling in the big bucks.

Jimscho
21-08-2014, 11:18 AM
Mr Ripley - you really think we have 80 million in the bank?

TheTalentedMrRipley
21-08-2014, 11:22 AM
Well unless we've just been robbed, we have a lot of money coming in from promotion.

I don't literally mean we have the physical cash, but we have funds available over the course of at least 4 years (parachute payments included) and if we stay up.. we'll have even more.

PvtJoker
21-08-2014, 11:23 AM
What players could we sign for 5 million that are worth 5 million?

What warrants a player costing 5 million pounds?

What warrants a player being worth 5 million pounds?

What wages would a five million pound player look to be collecting?

Would we even pay 5 million for a player?

3putt
21-08-2014, 11:24 AM
"Have to agree with that statement. Would be happy if we signed McArthur, but we desperately need a pacy/tricky winger that can open up teams. Without this type of creative player I can't see us scoring a enough goals"

"We desperately need a winger who can get an assist against one of the top teams in Europe, and another who scores one, and nearly two, against the same team. Oh wait...we have them already :-?



Listen to what Mourinho said about how our front four will cause problems. Not saying we can't improve them, but the priorities are in other areas."

Your opinion Sheffield. But I would say that your confused smiley is perfect. If you think we already have a tricky pacy winger you clearly are confused.

As for Mourinho's comments, well what he says depends on his mood.

In my opinion we are 3 short of what we need to seriously compete in the Prem. But if you are happy I am happy for you.:-)

TheTalentedMrRipley
21-08-2014, 11:28 AM
3putt

We're about 5 players short.

Two wingers, a Centre Back and Two Central Midfielders.

Walton
21-08-2014, 11:58 AM
And that's forgetting that one of this summer's initial targets was an exceptional striker (Deeney). We've instead settled for two lads whose previous clubs didn't want them and had been sent out on loan.

Mike_Baldwin
21-08-2014, 12:01 PM
The point that their are still 11 days left in the transfer window is a real concern. Fees are going to go even higher in this short period because the selling club will sense the desperation of the buying club to strengthen.

3putt
21-08-2014, 12:24 PM
All 3 above comments are probably correct.

Three player (of a better quality) are what we need as a minimum in my opinion.

Very disappointing that we are in this position with the season already having started.

claretspice
21-08-2014, 12:29 PM
3 players bare minimum before the window shuts - a wide man with pace, a central midfielder and a winger.

McArthur seems like the right sort for the midfield vacancy and I note that the Burnley Express is running with the £5 million line from the Mail, rather than Nixon's £2.5 million line.

I live in hope that we're getting into the sort of ball park where Wigan can be tempted to sell, and that we have sensible back-up plans lined up.

IanMcL
21-08-2014, 12:38 PM
A good chance of succeeding here, if we don't hang it out and attract others into the game.

£5m + add ons should do it

Pieandapint
21-08-2014, 12:46 PM
Not a CB in your list, Spice? The minimum CM, CB, Wing but ideally 2 x CM, 2 x CB, Wing and Striker for me. We shouldn't be too far off with a couple of signings and a couple of loans so not unrealistic, I hope.

claretspice
21-08-2014, 12:52 PM
Sorry - basically put the winger twice.

Yes, centre back, centre midfielder and wide man with pace.

I could live with that. Its a quality striker short of where I wanted us to be at the start of the summer, but especially if the striker can fill play as a second striker, its serviceable.

I cant see us bringing in two centre backs, or two central midfielders, and I'm not actually sure we need to

Pieandapint
21-08-2014, 01:06 PM
A loan such as Chalobah who can fill CB or CM on top of one of each would do. Not sure we've the strength to cover injuries or suspensions without.

CnBtruntru
22-08-2014, 07:29 AM
Off the Wigan board

Newly promoted Burnley have submitted a revised bid for Scotland international midfielder James McArthur.

Sean Dyche has been a long term admirer of McArthur and Burnley had a £4 million offer rejected just over a week ago.

Speaking at the recent fans' forum event Latics manager Uwe Rosler revealed this had been rejected and that there was no needto sell McArthur.

The Clarets have since come back with a renewed offer of £5 million for the Latics to consider.

McArthur is an integral part of the Latics squad and has proven pedigree at the top level where he formed a superb central midfield partnership with James McCarthy.

With the Latics struggling on the recruitment front the loss of McArthur would be damaging to the promotion chasing campaign.

We have bid 5 mill so why did nixon say 2.5 mill?

1/2 now and the rest when he helps keep us up?

steddyman
22-08-2014, 07:45 AM
Because it won't all be guaranteed. He is saying £4 million needs to be guaranteed to land him.

merlin1
22-08-2014, 07:56 AM
He will sign on Monday. Well Nixon has got most things wrong this summer, so why can't I? Where is the supposed foreign midfielder who wasnt on a free but was free...?

Newcastleclaret1993
22-08-2014, 08:01 AM
Surely if they didn't want to sell they would have straight away rejected the offer? Maybe considering the new offer?

quayclaret
22-08-2014, 09:20 AM
I wish we'd just pay the asking price - these potential transfers are dragging on and on. We need to improve the first team and we've got some money so can't understand why we're haggling hard over a million or two pounds when the players could slip through our fingers. I'm not saying pay £10 million but we seem to too tight. Prices are high at the moment but that's the reality and teams know we have money so we have to be prepared to pay more. Money in the bank won't win us games.

theclaret57
22-08-2014, 02:37 PM
Nicko claiming someone else in for him! :(

DiBraidio
22-08-2014, 02:39 PM
quayclaret, Wigan said he isn't for sale. So what do you suggest the asking price is?

I'm surprised that Wigan haven't commented on this supposed improved offer. They were quick enough to react last time.

dallasclaret
22-08-2014, 04:15 PM
No chance we will get McArthur

HollandsPies
22-08-2014, 04:20 PM
Apologies if this has been post but Lansbury has signed for Notts Forest on £25k pw.

He's had their trousers down there

Alp12Mac
22-08-2014, 04:36 PM
We won't get anything cheap from Dave Whelan and I doubt it's a ploy because an agent won't get a improved contract with him either.

It's going to have to be a 'market value' offer otherwise I see this as another that will be dragged on until eventually we don't sign him.

Thank the stars we have a bigger laughing stock down the road at Old Trafford to keep the pressure off.

Newcastleclaret1993
22-08-2014, 05:33 PM
2nd bid rejected

sheffieldturfite
22-08-2014, 05:33 PM
Just spotted 3Putt has totally misread my post in the reply at 122 and thinks I want a quick tricky winger whereas I was quoting someone else and think we are sorted in that department already.

The centre mid is the key position. Not filling CB exposes Duff but at a pinch he may cope until January especially if Mee can fill in with Ward doing left back. Ideally we will get a centre back but a midfielder is crucial.

If the Championship clubs all choose to bust themselves by giving their players unaffordable wage rises in a probable ill fated attempt to win promotion, that's bad for us now but good for us if we have to compete with them next year. Let's hope Wigan don't follow the trend of Derby and Forest.

Martin_Bell
23-08-2014, 08:25 AM
Fulham are the other club interested in McArthur.

Goody1975
23-08-2014, 08:26 AM
Possible 'League One Football' in 2015.

Newcastleclaret1993
23-08-2014, 08:28 AM
Burnley won't compete with the money Fulham will through at him

steddyman
23-08-2014, 09:32 AM
Another one bites the dust then.

Fulham will just offer the commonly understood asking price. Deal done.

merlin1
23-08-2014, 09:45 AM
I'm guessing it's quite easy to sell houses in Burnley for the price advertised.

scouseclaret
23-08-2014, 09:58 AM
"I'm guessing it's quite easy to sell houses in Burnley for the price advertised."

The difference is, these players aren't being "advertised".

If you think your house is worth, say £200k, and you really need to move, you might end up accepting an offer of £180k.

If you don't need to move and you quite like your house and somebody offered you £200k you probably wouldn't sell. But if they offered £250k, you might just be tempted.

Unfortunately, that's the market we're in. If clubs don't want to sell, we have to pay a premium. You might expect seasoned businessmen to understand this.

CnBtruntru
23-08-2014, 10:17 AM
Maybe moving up a league would sway him than a sideways move?

feej72
23-08-2014, 10:23 AM
Perhaps that person buying at over inflated price could end up in negative equity or not keeping up with repayments and gets the house repossessed.

socrates
23-08-2014, 10:54 AM
Those fans worrying about going bankrupt if we sign Dawson, Lansbury, McArthur - how do you cross the road for fear of getting knocked down?

scouseclaret
23-08-2014, 11:01 AM
"Perhaps that person buying at over inflated price could end up in negative equity or not keeping up with repayments and gets the house repossessed."

If I'd just been paid a £90m bonus I might be prepared to take a few calculated risks.

feej72
23-08-2014, 11:01 AM
Use a zebra or pelican crossing or alternatively the green cross code.

UTC - Come on, let's get a point today.

BennyD
23-08-2014, 11:24 AM
Those fans worrying about going bankrupt if we sign Dawson, Lansbury, McArthur - how do you cross the road for fear of getting knocked down?

So you are willing to gamble the future of the club in the hope of staying in the Premier League for another season? It looks like joined up thinking is not your strong point.

CC_Claret
23-08-2014, 11:33 AM
Pathetic. Signing enough players to actually form a 25 man squad when we've just won the jackpot is hardly gambling the future of the club. This summer has been a **** take, where the **** is our desperately needed CM? The board need to stop living in Narnia and accept the nature of the market.

BennyD
23-08-2014, 11:37 AM
If you know so much about football, how come you aren't running a football club?

scouseclaret
23-08-2014, 11:45 AM
Benny - do you really believe that spending an extra £1m on landing the players we need is threatening the future of the club?

TinWig
23-08-2014, 12:01 PM
Im starting to wonder if our board are taking tips from the Oystons of Balckpool

Pieandapint
23-08-2014, 12:04 PM
We have to take calculated risks on bringing players in and hopefully the risk is reduced by going for players that could be sold on for a similar value or perhaps more than we paid. This continued bleeting about putting the future of the club in jeopardy is tiresome to say the least. No one is suggesting that we should even contemplate spending that sort of money.

It could be argued that it's more of a gamble by not giving yourself the better opportunity to stay in the league as opposed to not spending and going down. The take the money and run approach is so short sighted and typical of the 'little Burnley' mentality.

It's not a case of spend and go bust or take the money and run! We have to find the right balance here.

BennyD
23-08-2014, 12:05 PM
No, it probably wouldn't. However, it's not just the extra 1,2 or 3 million it's also the £25k per week for 5 years that Lansbury managed to negotiate. We would of course have to offer substantially more to lure him across because he, like Dawson, didn't really want to move. Also, consider that the board might want to stay up for as long as possible and they aren't not-investing just to spite us and p!ss you off. There probably are reasons many and various behind the scenes that we don't know about as to why we haven't made the demanded 'marquee' signing, but I feel certain if the could've, they would've.

3putt
23-08-2014, 12:06 PM
"Just spotted 3Putt has totally misread my post in the reply at 122 and thinks I want a quick tricky winger whereas I was quoting someone else and think we are sorted in that department already."

That's really funny Sheffield. You are still confused. I don't think that you want a quick tricky winner at all, you were quoting me from post 86. I do think were are in bad need of a quick tricky winger and am very surprised you think we already have such a player.

My view is that we need a center back, center mid and a pacy winger.

We all have different views though.

Hope for something from today's game.

sheffieldturfite
23-08-2014, 12:07 PM
"Those fans worrying about going bankrupt if we sign Dawson, Lansbury, McArthur - how do you cross the road for fear of getting knocked down?"

No doubt the poster is a subscriber to the Gordon Brown school of politics too with this kind of financial approach X-D

merlin1
23-08-2014, 12:13 PM
It's not a gamble, it's paying OTT prices for players that are simply not worth that value. The same thing that has been said on this board regarding that Leeds player. I am glad we are not paying Lansbury 25 grand a week, where has he proved he's worth that when we can't even pay Ings what he wants to keep him.

The board are businessmen, the reason they are millionaires and we are commenting on this board having no other experience apart from the non reality of a Championship Manager game.

However, it's all about opinions so fair dos and let's hope we win/draw today.

pcathlete
25-08-2014, 01:11 PM
Wigan apparently had bid accepted for midfielder Adam Forshaw. Could this be good news?

skiptonclaret
25-08-2014, 01:16 PM
No not necessarily, given Rosler's Brentford connections, I suspect his interest in Forshaw pre-dates our interest in McArthur.

pcathlete
25-08-2014, 01:18 PM
Gotta help if still a live target?

skiptonclaret
25-08-2014, 01:22 PM
Maybe, still have to meet their valuation (if they have an any interest in selling).

BestBlokeInDoncaster
25-08-2014, 02:30 PM
STFU SheffieldTurfite, I've seen a few of your posts and your the kind of penny pinching Tory **** who is sending this country to the dogs.

sheffieldturfite
25-08-2014, 03:13 PM
Speak your mind Donny!

Its a little judgemental though, I could be sat here thinking you epitomise the money grabbing, impulse buying, benefits loving, work shy, responsibilityless culture that Blair and Brown worked so hard to create and which is driving our country to the dogs.

but I wont. Because I dont know you well enough :-)

What does STFU mean by the way? I dont speak in acronyms.

merlin1
25-08-2014, 03:22 PM
Or the Tory ***** that are actually sorting the freeloaders and making the country a decent place to do business!!

BestBlokeInDoncaster
25-08-2014, 03:46 PM
The very fact you wrote as such implies those thoughts passed through your mind, so you likely did think as much, if only fleetingly. As a rhetorical technique, it's notoriously poor, but common nonetheless. But you take my venting with good humour, and I applaud that. STFU means Shut The **** Up; spoken as one phonetically it also sounds like 'stuff you', which I've always thought a nice touch.

If you really believe two men can alter societal habits so profoundly over the course of around a decade, then I know for certain that the papers really do engender madness. The world we live in, the growth, the cash flow (oh I know your fond of that), the unemployment rate, the daily travails of the market, is all being traded on borrowed time.

Tell me, do you think any of our post-1980 growth would have been anything like what it has been if developing economies paid anything like living wages? Do you think that this country has actually got better since our much heralded economic growth?

Rowls
25-08-2014, 03:47 PM
"I'm bored of writing."

Don't you worry your tired little fingers about it.

Most people will be bored of reading long before they get to the end of your post.

BestBlokeInDoncaster
25-08-2014, 04:07 PM
Here comes Rowls, here comes Rowls!
He's never had a wife,
Less even of a life!

Here comes Rowls, here comes Rowls!
When he gets out of bed,
Sometimes he just wishes he were dead!

Here comes Rowls, here comes Rowls!
These days he sees like a mole,
As O the years they've taken their toll!

Here comes Rowls, here comes Rowls!
He gets so angry at the proles he could just cry,
Then he remembers poverty is all a lie!

Here comes Rowls, here comes Rowls!
He puts a hat upon his arsehole,
And spouts crap inbetween talking football!

That one's for free, stick it on your tombstone if you like. I know it will be a poorly tended grave, but I'll make sure to lay a couple of flowers.

BennyD
25-08-2014, 06:46 PM
Tell me, do you think any of our post-1980 growth would have been anything like what it has been if developing economies paid anything like living wages?

The UK has one of, if not, the best economy in Europe and pays a living wage. It doesn't pay enough to run a Ferrari but it's enough to buy food.

Do you think that this country has actually got better since our much heralded economic growth?

Yes. House prices are going up and more mortgages being approved. Pubs, clubs, restaurants and football grounds are nicely full which indicates more people have more disposable cash.

Have people suddenly become less lazy?

Probably not. Perhaps benefits should be cut to encourage job seeking.

Are they suddenly following some paternal example and being more prudent?

Again, probably not because there is no incentive to do so. Society has got into a "I want it and I want it now" habit as evidenced by the dramatic increase in payday lenders.

Has the public sector become far more efficient?

mgill87
25-08-2014, 06:47 PM
What the **** happened to this thread?

RMutt
25-08-2014, 07:16 PM
BennyD becomes Benny Hill.

BennyD
25-08-2014, 07:17 PM
Why's that?

Fretters
25-08-2014, 07:52 PM
"Tell me, do you think any of our post-1980 growth would have been anything like what it has been if developing economies paid anything like living wages?

The UK has one of, if not, the best economy in Europe and pays a living wage. It doesn't pay enough to run a Ferrari but it's enough to buy food.

Do you think that this country has actually got better since our much heralded economic growth?

Yes. House prices are going up and more mortgages being approved. Pubs, clubs, restaurants and football grounds are nicely full which indicates more people have more disposable cash.

Have people suddenly become less lazy?

Probably not. Perhaps benefits should be cut to encourage job seeking.

Are they suddenly following some paternal example and being more prudent?

Again, probably not because there is no incentive to do so. Society has got into a "I want it and I want it now" habit as evidenced by the dramatic increase in payday lenders.

Has the public sector become far more efficient?

Mo

Rowls
25-08-2014, 07:53 PM
Can we start to steer this thread back on topic?

Perhaps someone could post a suggestion of what McArthur may have had for his tea or something?

Lasagne?

timscoot
25-08-2014, 08:04 PM
Haffners Pie & Peas !

BennyD
25-08-2014, 08:06 PM
I'm sorry guys, I fell for it. In future I will try to stick to topic rather than encourage thread drift. :(

Boliclaret
25-08-2014, 08:16 PM
Well if thats the best bloke in Doncaster I wouldn't like to see the worst.

Your surnames not Clarkson is it by any chance?

ColdPieWarmBeer
25-08-2014, 09:48 PM
For no other reason than for $hits and giggles, I'm now going to quote BennyD's comments out of context.

The UK has one of, if not, the best economy in Europe and pays a living wage. It's enough to buy food.

House prices are going up.

Perhaps benefits should be cut to encourage job seeking.

Society has got into a "I want it and I want it now" habit as evidenced by the dramatic increase in payday lenders.

Most companies have had to get more efficient to survive the crash.

Benefits are given not earned so it's free money.

Jobs are available for a lot of those with the correct qualifications.

Fuel prices are driving up motoring costs wether (sic) you take a taxi, a train, a plane or your own car.

It was Blair, Brown and the champagne socialists that, because of their profligate money wastage, are responsible for the ongoing financial mess.

BennyD
25-08-2014, 10:01 PM
What is your point? I ask this because you haven't made one. Perhaps you can't.

ColdPieWarmBeer
25-08-2014, 10:03 PM
Wasn't making one. It was for $hits and giggles. I enjoy watching the inevitable butthurt.

BennyD
25-08-2014, 10:10 PM
Allow me to take you out of context;

It was for $hits and I enjoy the inevitable butthurt.

ColdPieWarmBeer
25-08-2014, 10:12 PM
Now you're getting it.

(I'll ignore your homophobic undertones).

bfcjon
25-08-2014, 10:21 PM
Boys, just wait till your Father gets home!!

ColdPieWarmBeer
25-08-2014, 10:27 PM
My father told me he was going to the store for a pack of cigarettes. He never came home.

BennyD
25-08-2014, 11:04 PM
Little wonder. :D

ColdPieWarmBeer
25-08-2014, 11:05 PM
Is that what you call your pecker?

BennyD
25-08-2014, 11:09 PM
Why would you want to know that?

ColdPieWarmBeer
25-08-2014, 11:27 PM
Is that not what they do 'in the forces'?

merlin1
26-08-2014, 07:28 AM
Call your pecker, your pecker? No, I think it's called a lot worse than that in the "forces". Unless you mean sticking it in each other's ... But that's just s**** and giggles (apparently).

merlin1
26-08-2014, 07:29 AM
...anyway back to original thread, McArthur to sign this week along with Dawson. Fact, a Nixon kind of fact, which is non fact.

BobLordsFridge
26-08-2014, 08:09 AM
That in the Mirror?

He's not saying that on his twitter feed. No mention of Dawson, but says we've made a 3rd bid for McArthur, which is still short of their valuation.

skiptonclaret
26-08-2014, 09:21 AM
Leicester had a 5m bid rejected (source: John Percy, Midlands reporter for Daily/Sunday Telegraph).

Walton
26-08-2014, 09:31 AM
John Percy knows his onions too.

skiptonclaret
26-08-2014, 09:32 AM
Yes, time to move on I think.

ClaretTony2014
26-08-2014, 09:40 AM
I think that's about the same as we offered - Wigan intent on keeping him

skiptonclaret
26-08-2014, 09:53 AM
@GraemeBailey: Leicester, Crystal Palace and Cardiff all now in for Wigan's James McArthur. Burnley have had four bids rejected.

Looks like their resolve is going to be tested though. I think the morale here is "get your deals done early"

Alp12Mac
26-08-2014, 09:59 AM
Pursuing targets that are out of our Club's valuation is bordering on baffling to say the least.

Of course we have brought in 7 players to date but I doubt any were 'primary targets'.

Have any of our negotiators EVER managed to buy a souvenir abroad?

I will always support the Club and it's policies but come on, with the reported bids being rejected time and time again, this is getting a bit embarrassing now.

spunkybackpack21
26-08-2014, 10:00 AM
Four bids!? Good grief...

Are not even bothering to make enquiries with clubs? Just throwing randomly generated fees at them?

JohnMcGreal
26-08-2014, 10:02 AM
We made about 4 bids for Dawson, if reports are to be believed.

skiptonclaret
26-08-2014, 10:04 AM
Whelan told Telegraph Sport: “We received a bid from Leicester and we’ve given them our reply this morning – he’s not for sale at that price.
...“I wouldn’t stand in the way of anybody wanting to playing in the Premier League, though, so we’ll see how much Leicester want him.”

Seller's market, the last week of the transfer deadline. We've no chance.

rhinosleeds
26-08-2014, 10:08 AM
those 7 signings have only really replaced the ones that have left the club in the summer & one of those players was already here last season in Kightly.

One question i would like to ask Re: Kightly

Were Burnley signing Kightly irrelevant of which division they were playing in this season, or was the £1.5m fee to be subject to Burnleys promotion?

dushanbe
26-08-2014, 10:11 AM
Have we still got that white flag from January 2010?

winsomeyen
26-08-2014, 10:20 AM
"sellers market,the last week of the transfer deadline.we`ve no chance.

It did`nt take four weeks to determine the interest on director loans.

NorthernManInSouth
26-08-2014, 10:20 AM
I personally would like to see us get similar talent for a fraction of the price from another country.

We're in the Premier League now, not the Championship so decent foreign players should now see the attraction.

murger
26-08-2014, 10:20 AM
4 bids? Are we going up 50p a pop with these bids? Beyond a **** take.

northeastclaret
26-08-2014, 10:26 AM
Playing the long game on these negotiations has been a major cock up, its just allows the situation to change like at Forest. Very poor , the tactic has failed on every major target.

PapaBendi
26-08-2014, 10:31 AM
we know where this one is going don't we...

Jamb0MackemClaret
26-08-2014, 10:41 AM
I'm no expert but I thought it was obvious McArthur would be £5m+ before Wigan even considered selling. What on earth have we been offering?

inchydaman
26-08-2014, 10:46 AM
So its lose/losefrom here on in

We either fail to complete yet another signing

OR

We pay way over the odds to beat the competition, rendering the previous weeks of insulting offers pointless

TuftyBeamish
26-08-2014, 10:48 AM
Expect this to be seen over the Bob Lord Stand come September the 1st.

http://i60.tinypic.com/4vrbra.jpg

murger
26-08-2014, 10:57 AM
Whoever has been handling the transfer negotiations should be sacked.

Claret4ver
26-08-2014, 11:00 AM
"I think that's about the same as we offered - Wigan intent on keeping him"


I don't think Whelan's quote suggests that all!

pcathlete
26-08-2014, 11:06 AM
We can't win a one horse race never mind against another premier league club with more backing. Is Eagles still available?

BobLordsFridge
26-08-2014, 11:25 AM
The problem we've had all summer is that we're going for players who are ***** to ambitious Championship clubs.

There's nothing wrong with that, but when a club isn't desperate for the cash and is in fact spending (more than us) on a promotion challenge, it's far harder to persuade them to part with the player. Our approach has been further undermined by the inflation within the market during this summer alone.

All of that said, we appear to persevered with some targets long after it seemed clear that the clubs were never going to part with them for the kind of fees we're willing to pay. Instead we seem to have hoped that other factors might lead to a change in stance on the selling clubs part. For example a player forcing his clubs hand (Dawson/Bryson) or taking advantage of internal strife (Forest).

There are three alternatives. The first is loans. The second is the overseas market. The third is trying to sign players surplus to requirements at Premier League clubs. With the ex

ksrclaret
26-08-2014, 11:40 AM
I was hopeful, perhaps naively, that Wigan were considering our latest offer for McArthur as we hadn't heard anything about them rejecting it out of hand like the first bid.

To hear that we've had four bids rejected now is incredible. I certainly can't see us landing him now.

To lose out on one main target is careless, to lose out on 4 smacks of incompetence. I apologise to anyone who takes offence at negativity, but I can't really find any positives in the way we've handled our business this summer.

socrates
26-08-2014, 11:48 AM
Contrary to what Tony says, Whelan's quote very much indicates he can go if the right money is paid. This has long been Wigan's stance for players and managers, they don't stand in their way.

One of two things is happening, if it is accepted multiple bids are being made :-

I. We're trying to low ball people - this is what I think is happening. It has failed repeatedly and we're looking a bit tin-pot now.

II. We're making repeated bids for players who aren't for sale. Even if that is the case then it's a silly idea anyway - they aren't for sale apparently so what are we expecting to change?


I think we hoped we could lowball teams and the players would kick up a fuss for a move. If that is the case we've massively overestimated our pull on these players and we've reached the point now where clubs know what to do when Burnley come a knocking - ask for top price and hold out. West Brown, Derby, Forest, Wigan have all shown the way.

The time for a post-mortem is after the 1st of Septe

BennyD
26-08-2014, 11:56 AM
I understand your frustration but as we weren't at the negotiations we don't know what went on, we can only surmise. At the moment we are favourites to go down, we are a small, unfashionable club and few want to come here. Perhaps it's the players that don't want to come even though the club wants to sell, and when another, more fashionable, club comes in the move goes through. It looks like it's our guys that are incompetent whereas that isn't the whole story.

BobLordsFridge
26-08-2014, 12:00 PM
Of course none of us know the ins and outs of the bids. We only know snippets we've had from the club and journalists.

What we do know is that the transfer window closes in 6 days and that we've mainly only added fringe players. We still only have 2 senior specialist central midfielders at the club and the centre-half back-up plan remains Kevin Long.

The common factor in all of the reported failed bids is Burnley Football Club (Lee Hoos).

BennyD
26-08-2014, 12:09 PM
I don't think for a second there isn't the will at Burnley football club to sign better players that will keep us up. The directors have a lot to gain personally, as does the club. The fact they can't indicates to me they are working against factors they can't control and I say again, I believe it's because no one wants to come here. Even Chalobah, apparently, doesn't want to come even on loan. If we manage to stay up and become more of an established club, our reputation will improve and we may start to attract players who, at the moment, are not interested. Personally, I don't think it's fair to start condemning people who might actually be doing a great job despite evidence to the contrary.

3putt
26-08-2014, 12:18 PM
"I. We're trying to low ball people - this is what I think is happening. It has failed repeatedly and we're looking a bit tin-pot now.

II. We're making repeated bids for players who aren't for sale. Even if that is the case then it's a silly idea anyway - they aren't for sale apparently so what are we expecting to change?"


Assuming the above to be the case, it really is embarrassing. It appears that Hoos/the board are completely out of their depth when it comes to negotiating deals and perhaps life in the Prem.

The reality is that we haven't strengthened the first eleven at all since promotion and there can't be a single fan that envisaged that would happen.

I hope it doesn't come back to bite us, but in reality unless we can rescue the situation before the window closes it probably will.

Bin_Ont_Turf
26-08-2014, 12:22 PM
'Of course none of us know the ins and outs of the bids'


It certainly hasn't stopped anyone on this thread today, and all from a random twitterer person.

Magic.

murger
26-08-2014, 12:24 PM
All this 'nobody wants to join because it's little old Burnley' is BS. How on earth did Wigan, Bolton and Rovers ever sign Premier League players?

Jamb0MackemClaret
26-08-2014, 12:24 PM
"It certainly hasn't stopped anyone on this thread today, and all from a random twitterer person*."

*Journalists

Bin_Ont_Turf
26-08-2014, 12:26 PM
Is he a journalist then?

Who does he work for?

BennyD
26-08-2014, 12:28 PM
Sorry, I don't agree. Low-balling? Take MacCormack. After last season I reckon he was worth £5-6m tops. If We enquired about him and Leeds said they wanted an obviously extortionate £11m and we offered £7m, is that low-balling? Or offering above his market worth? Also, putting offers in for players not for sale; how do we know what's gone on behind the scenes? Every player has his price and the clubs will sell if it's a great deal for the club. Yes we have failed to greatly improve the first 11 but I'm sure that if the could've, they would've.

BennyD
26-08-2014, 12:30 PM
All this 'nobody wants to join because it's little old Burnley' is BS. How on earth did Wigan, Bolton and Rovers ever sign Premier League players?

Perhaps it's because all the clubs mentioned have, or have had, rich benefactors that underwrote lavish spending, not forgetting that Bolton and Blackburn are now up sh!t Creek due to that lavish spending. All this might settle down due to FFP and level the playing field a little bit.

theclaret57
26-08-2014, 12:31 PM
"How on earth did Wigan, Bolton and Rovers ever sign Premier League players?"

Quite simply having rich owners!

Dave Whelan, Eddie Davies & Jack Walker were never short of a few quid in their time and there comes a point that if you offer enough even the smallest club becomes quite attractive to the player and selling club.

murger
26-08-2014, 12:34 PM
We have had 4 bids for him rejected. What do you think we are offering? £4m, £4.25m, £4.5m, £4.75m or £5m? Doubt it. More like £4.50 to a fiver. Whoever has handled the bidding process has failed massively.

ksrclaret
26-08-2014, 12:36 PM
Any sensible poster can see that problems with our transfer business arose quite a while ago, and as such the source of present frustration is not coming from the words of a random person on twitter

BennyD
26-08-2014, 12:39 PM
Sorry Murger, you are talking cr4p. We don't know the bids that have been put in and to give a biased opinion based on personal animosity is plain ignorance.

socrates
26-08-2014, 12:39 PM
Anybody see "Ross McCormack" being used to justify us not signing players in 2018?

I saw on Twitter today somebody refer to him as the new "ITV Digital".

feej72
26-08-2014, 12:43 PM
and look where it got Bolton!!

their debt is serviceable though!!

all these rejected bids must get Murger salivating behind his keyboard.

spunkybackpack21
26-08-2014, 12:45 PM
Pretty sure Graeme Bailey works for Sky Sports.

BennyD
26-08-2014, 12:45 PM
Unfortunately, the McCormack deal has badly distorted the market and a lot of clubs will suffer because of it. Also It shows the desperation at Fulham to get back into the Premier League. They have bet the farm and if they don't make it, I reckon they will sink like a stone.

murger
26-08-2014, 12:49 PM
Everytime I post must have feej reaching for his box of tissues. Always gets him a little excited.

claretspice
26-08-2014, 12:52 PM
"Unfortunately, the McCormack deal has badly distorted the market"

Little doubt that this is a factor, but I don't understand why it is this, rather than the more permanent increase in the wealth of Premier League clubs as a consequence of the new TV deal, which is held up by many as the fundamental cause of the current spike in transfer fees and asking prices.

Once you view it as a more permanent, it ceases to be accurate to call it a distortion. And given that I can't think of a period in the modern history of the game when transfer fees have declined year on year to a material extent, I'm still in need of evidence to support the view this is a one-off distortion rather than latest instalment of a long-term trend. No-one suggesting things are out of hand has provided a scrap of evidence for that claim yet.

Walton
26-08-2014, 12:55 PM
Looking at this list of transfers through the year, there have been 284 deals completed in England since Ross McCormack moved to Fulham.

Makes you wonder how the hell the other clubs do it really, doesn't it, in this post-McCormack world. - view external link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_football_transfers_summer_2014)

thewellernut70
26-08-2014, 12:59 PM
Virtually every single season there is a McCormack type deal that goes through and inflates the market for everyone else. The key is to get your business done early (as we were lead to believe we were going to do) to avoid having your trousers pulled down by all asunder

BennyD
26-08-2014, 01:02 PM
Claretspice, as I see it, there is a constant increase in transfer fees but such a big one as in the case of MacCormack is, I would suggest, a distortion as it bucks a steady trend. I also think that the riches now available in the Premier League is encouraging Championship clubs to gamble on their very future to get there. Why else would Forest give Lansbury 25k a week for 5 years. A couple of years ago that would have been virtually unthinkable as the Championship is a difficult league to stay in, never mind get promoted from, as Fulham are finding out at the moment.

Jamb0MackemClaret
26-08-2014, 01:11 PM
"Is he a journalist then?

Who does he work for?"

You're on the internet, go and find out for yourself. But it's not just some teenage lad making stuff up in his bedroom.

rhinosleeds
26-08-2014, 01:26 PM
Unfortunately, the McCormack deal has badly distorted the market!!

Is this not what Dyche keeps telling the media?
I heard the other day on the radio, Talksport taking a little bit of mick out of our Mr Dyche with regards he can't seem to get deals over the line.

Sean Dyche: 'Ross McCormack deal changed spending'

But everybody else is getting on with it Sean so why can't you?

Notrigsbyscat
26-08-2014, 01:32 PM
because his hands are tied by the mom and pop guys

Bin_Ont_Turf
26-08-2014, 01:35 PM
'You're on the internet, go and find out for yourself'

No I'll pass on that thank you. Someone has already been kind enough to tell me but even if they hadn't, I still wouldn't go and find out.

ksrclaret
26-08-2014, 01:38 PM
"But everybody else is getting on with it Sean so why can't you?"

I'm sure Sean Dyche would love nothing more than to get on with it and bring in the players he wants. Unfortunately he's busy preparing the team for important League and Cup games. He's heavily reliant on the people he works for when it comes to transfers, those are the people who are letting us down at the moment.