View Full Version : Burnley v Manchester United - 1902

Imploding Turtle
07-07-2015, 04:31 PM
Here you go, **** nuggets! Earliest ever footage of Manchester United in action appears to have been against Burnley from back when Tony was a lad.

We lost 2-0 and apparently finished bottom of the Second Division that season. - view external link (http://player.bfi.org.uk/film/watch-burnley-v-manchester-united-1902-1902/)

Imploding Turtle
07-07-2015, 04:42 PM
And here we are again in 1903 against possibly Doncaster Rovers. If you're paying attention early in the film you can see 59_60 being led away by police. - view external link (http://player.bfi.org.uk/film/watch-burnley-football-1903-1903/)

07-07-2015, 04:43 PM
Aye, Dec'02 at the Turf.

Cornelius Hogan, a recent signing from Watford, hit the post twice and the bar twice and we lost 0-2.

Never had much luck against United.

07-07-2015, 04:53 PM
Could be wrong, but one of the policeman leading 59/60 away could be our own Redbeard? ( Obviously working undercover without his full beard)

07-07-2015, 07:07 PM
Love the guy pointing the way onto the pitch for the Doncaster players as they come out of the tunnel. I know we think yorkies are thick but come on!

07-07-2015, 07:22 PM
Can't get either of them to work. Seen the United one before, though.

07-07-2015, 11:11 PM
Just checking the Simpson Bible - we didnt play Doncaster Rovers at home in 1903. Was 6.9.02 for a 1-1 score.

Played 'em away 1903 10.4.03 for a 1-2 loss.

Not worth grumbling about unless Chronicles is wrong as it was the last time I quoted it!

Effectively it was the same season as the Man Utd match - if the book is right or if it was in fact Doncaster (checked the historical strips and they appear to be Doncasters) - for those in black & white we were in green.

08-07-2015, 06:07 AM
Interesting fact (for me at least) Cornelius Hogan was born in Malta :) - view external link (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornelius_Hogan)

08-07-2015, 09:00 AM
"Interesting fact (for me at least) Cornelius Hogan was born in Malta."

Interesting to me also jtv...He signed for Burnley in 1901 and was our top scorer in the '01/'02 season (10 goals) and '02/'03 (7).

He must therefore have been disappointed to be released in 1903 and returned to play in London for a short while. There must have been something about the Burnley area even then as Hogan returned to play for both Nelson and Rossendale before his untimely death in 1909 at the tender age of 31 years.

Anyone know the cause of his death at such a young age?

08-07-2015, 10:25 AM
Also does any one have any idea if he was related to Jimmy Hogan? Is Hogan a common surname in Lancs?

08-07-2015, 10:34 AM
jtv...Remarkably I've been thinking exactly that all morning.

Jimmy, who was born in Nelson, was 4 years younger than Cornelius and made his debut for Burnley shortly after Cornelius left for Fulham.

Possibly the family moved to Nelson when Cornelius signed for Burnley?...Anyway, when Jimmy left Burnley in 1905 following a pay dispute with the club he played for Nelson for two years between 1905 and 1907.

And who joined him at Nelson in 1905?...None other than Cornelius.