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fdbfc05
12-08-2015, 12:40 PM
Seeing all over the message board that people are insisting that we get rid of Juke and Sordell. Yes I agree with getting rid of Sordell especially being linked with this German striker. However, I think that Juke offers more than Vokes and Jukes movement on Saturday was very unselfish and personally thought he had a good game and with a bit of pace upfront next to him (long) he will become a good player for Burnley. People are expecting Vokes to be how he was when we got promoted last time, which he isn't going to be. When he came on Saturday he looked very poor his touch, no pace, losing the ball. Don't get me wrong he took his goal well but I think Juke offers more and I think the only reason Burnley fans are wanting to keep Vokes over Juke are because of the season he had when we went up.

Bin_Ont_Turf
12-08-2015, 12:44 PM
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fdbfc05
12-08-2015, 12:46 PM
Go on then, what does Vokes offer that Juke doesn't? Juke gets so much criticism but Vokes gets none at all.

theenclosure
12-08-2015, 12:48 PM
Vokes scores goals.

fdbfc05
12-08-2015, 12:52 PM
Juke will score more this season than Vokes guaranteed.

Claretandblueju
12-08-2015, 12:53 PM
A goal against Leeds for starters !!!

Redbeard
12-08-2015, 12:53 PM
It's all about opinions, of course - but, ****ing hell...:(

Are you sure you aren't mixing the two of them up?


'Juke will score more than Vokes' ?? - XD XD XD

Glad you were just having a laugh after all. :)

stacky_claret
12-08-2015, 12:54 PM
I have liked your post simply because if that is true we will have more than likely been promoted

fdbfc05
12-08-2015, 12:55 PM
Juke should've had two penalties against Leeds. If the Leeds centre back hadn't have handled the ball then Juke would've scored..

Claretandblueju
12-08-2015, 01:04 PM
would he *******s he would of hit row Z !!! :)

braindead
12-08-2015, 01:07 PM
'Juke will score more than Vokes this season guaranteed'

How's that going so far? The league season is one game in and Vokes has ONE goal and Juke predictably has NONE, that is despite Juke playing for twice as long as Vokes.

Comedy gold from the OP, a sure sign that having vodka on your cornflakes in the morning leads to a long and hazy afternoon.

fdbfc05
12-08-2015, 01:08 PM
He would have scored, end off! He had a good game, he lead the line while unfortunately there was no pace upfront with him to run beyond him.

markyboy12345
12-08-2015, 01:11 PM
Juke is a crap version of Iwelumo... come to think of it a more expensive crap version at that.

ClaretSlurpy
12-08-2015, 01:12 PM
he cost us 2m...you would expect to be miles better.

domclaret
12-08-2015, 01:13 PM
By the time he leaves I reckon the fee we paid for him will have risen on here to over 4m considering its already gone over 2m

fdbfc05
12-08-2015, 01:24 PM
Juke played well against Leeds?
Whys Dyche starting Juke in front of Vokes then? because he offers us more than Vokes, he run the channels and held the ball up well on Saturday the only thing lacking was a goal which he should have had and would've got if the ref would have given the two clear penalties.
What did Vokes do against league 2 opposition last night, nothing.

army88
12-08-2015, 01:25 PM
No sorry,

Posted this before that I don't mind Juke , but as a back up striker is about his level.

Vokes is a far superior footballer in every aspect , he has the attributes of Juke but more pace and composure and can score.

I'm not saying Vokes is the answer to our apparent striking issues either but if you want to go back to Saturday, when he came on his presence upset there centre backs , he won headers and pressured where he could , and to top that got himself on the end of a wicked cross and produced a un stoppable header. His strike partner however did nothing again Marvin I'm afraid has all the right attributes but no heart or desire to deliver them.
Football is a game of opinions and I get your view on Juke , because he is willing and did try and possibly could have scored without the handball, however if Vokes had been blessed with the same chances I'd fancy him to take them before Juke.
I say if we are genuinely in talks for Lansbury though I think he will be part

domclaret
12-08-2015, 01:26 PM
If Vokes was 100% and had played all pre season do you think Juke would have started before him ?

fdbfc05
12-08-2015, 01:29 PM
Agree with some things you say there 'army88' but Vokes having more pace than Juke, really?
I'd fancy Juke to run the channels better and quicker than Vokes.
I think we need better than Juke and Vokes just stating I think Juke is on par if not better than Vokes

Bin_Ont_Turf
12-08-2015, 01:34 PM
I thought Juke played quite well on saturday with what he was asked to do and the service that was provided. He did however at times show his usual poor touch, poor decision making and awareness.

I also thought that when Vokes came on that he played fairly well but with at times a poor touch but far better decision making and awareness than Juke.

Vokes has shown (albeit one season with his little mate next to him) that he can score goals at this level if given decent service. He's also been out with injury for a long time and never looked up to it (fitness wise/speed of the game) when he came back and played in the Premier League. He's getting back slowly.

Juke hasn't been injured or scored for Burnley yet and has never got into double figures in a season at this level.

And that is why we don't choose Juke over Vokes.

markyboy12345
12-08-2015, 01:38 PM
Juke has zero pace, nothing, zada, zip all. Whilst i agree he had a good game against leeds ( who are a poor side ) he still never delivered. Yes he is a target but he doesnt bring anyone else into play with a decent ball after that and when he gets turned facing the goal he looks lost. Vokes everyday of the week.

fdbfc05
12-08-2015, 01:40 PM
I just think Juke is getting unnecessary criticism, I know his goals record isn't good for us but he isn't a Premier League striker and I think he would be a good striker at this level.
Play Vokes upfront with Vossen as last night showed who isn't the player who's going to run past him because he isn't blessed with pace and that isn't his game then Vokes would struggle the same as people are saying Juke is.
They are both big men who need someone with a bit of pace up there with them, going back to the Vokes/Ings partnership that got us promoted.
Putting Long up front with either of Juke/Vokes I think he they will both become a better player as Long will run behind defences and with him and either one of them two up front would cause defences problems.

fdbfc05
12-08-2015, 01:42 PM
There was no one near him for him to bring them into play. Vossen doesn't run passed him for him to flick it onto him. We need a striker with pace again (long) who is going to run past him so he can flick it onto them or get close to him.

Boliclaret
12-08-2015, 01:44 PM
He would have scored, end off!

Thats slightly on the implausable side, this argument hasn't been proved yet.

If he'd got the penalty then he'd have scored.

Like he did at Palace last season after he won a penalty. This has to be a fishing excursion from the OP, Vokes scored over 20 last time round in this league and put in a performance against Man City that Juke could only dream about.

And as for the bullied by the defender at Leeds argument, did Vokes get bullied when he came on? Did Barnes get bullied last season in the Prem? If anything its the other way round.

Sympathy votes will only go so far, I'd like Juke to win us all over but I just can't see it.

fdbfc05
12-08-2015, 01:49 PM
Juke didn't get bullied in my opinion its going to seem like that as he was on for 70 minutes so losing out on a few headers/tussles doesn't mean he got bullied. The leeds centre backs definitely knew they were in a game with him. He just needs someone with a bit of pace playing up front with him.
Vokes had ings up front with him who ran the channels all day long and got in behind the defence, put Juke up front with someone quick and he'll start scoring.
Vokes isn't going to have a season where he gets 20 goals again.
Once Juke gets one, which its coming he will get more.

markyboy12345
12-08-2015, 02:02 PM
FDBFC05 i really do not understand your logic. For a start Juke is a 1 in 5 striker throughout his career so the chances of him bucking the trend and getting into double figures historically look slim at best. I havent seen one piece of evidence from him that he can regularly net for us. With regards to criticism Juke has been with us long enough now for us to see and judge him, plus at £2.25m id be looking for far more contribution. how he can be described as anything other than a flop is a mystery.

domclaret
12-08-2015, 02:13 PM
2.25 now it might be 4m by end of today nevermind end of season

down_rover
12-08-2015, 03:10 PM
The only thing juke does well is run the channels for a long ball. Having got there his delivery is not up to par. When play is built up from midfield promising moves flounder as Juke takes one touch to many.

Unlike Barnes and Vokes he allows himself to be bullied. Bamba beat him up good and proper the first half, whereas Vokes physical presence made him thing again

fatboy47
12-08-2015, 05:15 PM
We've had 4 genuine quality forwards through the club in the last few season. Rodruigez , Austin, Ings and Vokes.

If Vokes were to go that would be the last of them through the door, and we'd be left with a bunch of fairly average champ journeymen.

I'm actually surprised that there's been no reported pursuit of Vokes, and hope that there isn't any interest in the near future given our track record in keeping our best players.

daveisaclaret
12-08-2015, 05:17 PM
"Juke will score more this season than Vokes guaranteed."

Vokes has probably scored more than Juke will, tbh

ColdPieWarmBeer
12-08-2015, 10:18 PM
Vokes over Juke and I'd be letting Sordell go before Juke. The last two performances have looked like that horrible run in the winter/spring in Sean's first half season in charge. Like in that run, we have no pace in the side, we're bypassing midfield and expecting our target man to be our playmaker. Vossen is supposed to be razor sharp in the box so he needs to be in the box, not 25 yards from goal, isolated, waiting for a non-existent run from midfield. We need to either push the midfield further up the pitch and bring in a specialist centre midfielder better than Arfield, (allowing Arfield to replace Kightly/Taylor wide), or pack the midfield out to allow our cripplingly slow wingers to get further up the pitch and provide something resembling service. The current four in the middle can't get their foot on the ball and create anything worthwhile. Juke has been very poor but his team mates' performances and the tactics we're using aren't doing him any favours. The one time Boyd pulle

Wembley09
12-08-2015, 11:49 PM
I remember reading this (about Middlesbrough view of him, after we signed him)

[i]"Despite a memorable monstering of Steve Kean’s Blackburn side in 2012 (something which will go down well here), I can probably count on one hand the amount of times he genuinely impressed in a Boro shirt, and by the end of his spell on Teesside it was painful to watch him toil.

At Middlesbrough he was the Jukebox that rarely played the right tune, but Jutkiewicz’s successful spell at Bolton showed what he can offer to a team that suits his strengths and compensated his weaknesses.

He’s not close to being quick. He’s even further away from clinical. And he can sometimes seem more interested in wrestling his marker than actually winning a ball. But he’ll slog all day long, take a physical pounding from any Championship centre-half, and when focusing can be a real handful in the air.

And while Boro utilised him as a mobile lone front man responsible for harrying the opposition, making run

Steve_Harpers_Perm
13-08-2015, 07:02 AM
He can't fault Jukes effort but he doesn't actually look like he's ever going to score a goal! My dad said he reminds him of Brendan O'Connell!

The Bedlington Terrier
13-08-2015, 02:45 PM
Vokes has the proven track record. Playing alongside (or not!) with Ings is irrelevant. I still think the Juke can do a job for us, he is a decent footballer but Vokes has proved he can score 20 + in a season. The Juke is earnest enough but can he and will he start hitting the back of the net? Answer honestly, "Who would you bet your mortgage on"? The proven one or the unproven one? Vokes for me.

goobs
13-08-2015, 02:51 PM
Claret13552 You make a good point at the end regarding choosing proven unproven but you could flip that on it's head and ask who would you bet your mortgage on to play the right players to get the job done you or Sean Dyche ;)

FWIW I think it is a very close call although Sam certainly does seem more likely to score and if no one is profiting from Juke's hold up play then Sam may be the better option to provide the cutting edge himself.