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ClaretTony2014
15-08-2015, 01:52 PM
Please leave ratings for all players who have played 20 mins or more.

Scoring is from 3 to 10 as follows:

10 - Out of this World
9 - Excellent
8 - Very Good
7 - Good
6 - Average
5 - Below Par
4 - Poor
3 - Abysmal

Newcastleclaret1993
15-08-2015, 02:01 PM
Heaton - 6
Darikwa - 7
Keane - 6 (point reduced for his part in the first goal)
Duff - 6
Mee - 5
Boyd 5
Arfield - 5
Jones - 5
Kightly - 6
Vossen - 6 (plus 1 for assist)
Juke - 4

Taylor -7
Vokes - 6
Sordell - N/A

ChristheViking
15-08-2015, 02:07 PM
Heaton 7 - excellent save in 1st half and forced into some saves he shouldn't have had to make

Darikwa - 7 looks very promising and v unlucky with the pen. Is providing good service.
Keane - 6 a goal but allowed their strikers goal-side too much
Duff - 4 as above but with shocking distribution
Mee - 5 more like that and Ward has to be knocking on Dyche's door

Boyd - 6 - some tidy play but you're left wanting more
Arfield - 5 central midfield?
Jones -6
Kightly - 5 - typicak Kightly performance and wouldn't start vs Ipswich for me

Vossen - 5 - had to check he was playing 1st half. looking forward to him settling in. Quickly.
Juke - 8. am desperate for him to score because he's working his socks off.

Vokes - 5
Taylor - 7 Superb free kick and must start.

We need more creativity from the likes of Boyd and Kightly instead of Darikwa. They (Birmingham) were poor and we should be beating them based on our aspirations. Ref didn't help. There's a few players who already

taio
15-08-2015, 02:12 PM
Heaton - 6
Darikwa - 7
Keane - 7*
Duff - 6
Mee - 6
Boyd 5
Arfield - 5
Jones - 5
Kightly - 5
Vossen - 5
Juke - 6

Taylor -7
Vokes - 6

I saw it as a toss-up between Keane and Darikwa for MOM.

Gunfury69
15-08-2015, 02:22 PM
Heaton - 6
Darikwa - 6
Keane - 6
Duff - 5
Mee - 6
Boyd - 5
Arfield- 4
Jones - 6
Kightly - 5
Vossen - 4
Juke - 7

Vokes - 4
Taylor - 7

Malton_Claret
15-08-2015, 02:22 PM
From live tv

Heaton - 7
Darikwa - 8 mom
Keane - 5
Duff - 6
Mee - 5
Boyd 5
Arfield - 5
Jones - 5
Kightly - 5
Vossen - 5
Juke - 7 worked very hard, just needs a goal.

Taylor -7
Vokes - 6

ChristheViking
15-08-2015, 02:25 PM
Am all for diversity of opinion but how anyone can give Juke a 4 for what he did and for what he had to put up with is beyond me.

Jamb0MackemClaret
15-08-2015, 02:32 PM
From telly:

Heaton - 7 - Solid enough and no chance with either goal.
Darikwa - 7* - Very good going forward, would have had two assists if we had a striker.
Keane - 7 - Bit weak for the opener, although a more experienced player may have gone down and won a foul, but finished his goal nicely and generally solid.
Duff - 6 - Fine.
Mee - 5 - Started the season pretty averagely and I'd be looking at Ward.
Boyd - 4 - Hiding at the minute and he should be taking more responsibility.
Arfield - 5 - Not even close to being good enough in CM.
Jones - 6 - Was bossing the game until we ran out of steam in the first half.
Kightly - 5 - Not doing nearly enough, should be dropped.
Vossen - 5 - Struggling to get in the game, but his service has been appalling. Good flick for Keane's goal. Get him on the ball.
Juke - 5 - Dominated by his defender again and yes, he's being fouled regularly, but he has to battle back, too weak for me. Lost count of the decent openings he wasted. Wouldn't

CnBtruntru
15-08-2015, 02:33 PM
Heaton - 7
Darikwa - 7 one of them you put into very promising prospect, worked his socks off. MOM
Keane - 6
Duff - 5
Mee - 6
Boyd - 5 went missing at times and Darikwa passed to him a few times and he was behind his man
Arfield- 4 Just doesn't work for me
Jones - 6
Kightly - 5
Vossen - 6 did not realise he was playing until 20-25 mins had gone. Not slating the lad, he will come good.
Juke - 7 should had penalty before they got there goal

Vokes - 5
Taylor - 7 made a big impact when he came on

Overall happy with the point, still unbeaten in the League. XD

Claret_Russ
15-08-2015, 02:34 PM
Heaton 6 - No chance with the goals
Darwika 7 - Impressive
Mee 5 - Wasteful in possession
Duff 5 - As above, too slow to react for first goal
Keane 6 - Not as dominant as he needs to be against Donaldson
Kightly 5 - 30 seconds of useful contibution for first goal, otherwise poor
Arfield 5 - Square peg in a round hole
Jones 6 - Composed in possession, needs a proper midfield partner though.
Boyd 6 - Plenty of effort, little end product
Vossen 6 - Not yet on the same wavelength as team mates. Good flick for first goal
Jutkiewicz 7 - Worked tirelessly, mostly isolated, & mostly with Spector hanging off him. Needs better service & support.

Vokes 6 - Linked up well with Juke a couple of times
Sordell 6 - Obviously lacking confidence, worked hard though
Taylor 8 - Offered far more quality than Kightly ever threatened to. If fit enough, surely must start.

Overall clearly a lack of pace and creativity. We desperately need someone in the middle who can move the ball faster and

theenclosure
15-08-2015, 02:38 PM
Heaton - 7. not sure now it was right to make Tom captain think it should be an outfield player
Darikwa - 8
Keane - 6
Duff - 5 made a few bad mistakes today
Mee - 6
Boyd 6
Arfield - 5
Jones - 4 never seen a more one footed player
Kightly - 5
Vossen - 5
Juke - 7 worked his socks off,he is getting better with more game time,goals will come am sure

Vokes- 5
Taylor- 7
Sordell- n/a

ClaretTony2014
15-08-2015, 02:42 PM
Heaton 7
Darikwa 7
Duff 5
Keane 7
Mee 6
Boyd 5
Arfield 5
Jones 7
Kightly 6
Vossen 6
Jutkiewicz 8

Vokes 6

Pieandapint
15-08-2015, 02:43 PM
Heaton - 7
Darikwa - 7
Keane - 6
Duff - 5
Mee - 5
Boyd 5
Arfield - 5
Jones - 6
Kightly - 5
Vossen - 5
Juke - 5

Taylor -7
Vokes - 6

troubleatmexico
15-08-2015, 02:43 PM
Heaton - 7
Darikwa - 8 Good game. Has the pace to overlap past Boyd. Needed since Boyd is absent.
Keane - 6
Duff - 5
Mee - 5
Boyd - 4 might need some time on the bench
Arfield- 4 another weak game in a long list of weak games. Dyche love child methinks.
Jones - 6 good eg towards the end of where he slowed down play when we had a chance. Pick of the midfield though.
Kightly - 5
Vossen - 4 Excellent flick-on but do not remember much else during the game. Like someone else has said, crap service to him, gap between midfield and front line too much
Juke - 7 better, should persist perhaps

Vokes - 5
Taylor - 7 Excellent free kick. The new Ross Wallace. But better.

Crap performance considering Birmingham's quality. 2 MIDFIELDERS NEEDED!!!!!!!

ksrclaret
15-08-2015, 02:44 PM
Heaton 7 - Couldn't do anything about the goals, commanded and organised well
Darikwa 7 - Kept Gray quiet all game, defensively and offensively good but still naive at times
Duff 5 - Bullied by Donaldson, poor distribution
Keane 7 - Could have done better with their first goal, but a really good headed goal and real composure on the ball
Mee 5 - Poor from Ben today, I'd like to see Ward
Boyd 4 - Needs to improve massively
Arfield 4 - I like him but he's never a CM - doesn't pass, doesn't tackle, doesn't drive forward. Lansbury or whoever else can't come quick enough
Jones 6 - Did okay, could have done better
Kightly 5 - Brum knew if they doubled up on him we'd go backwards and do nothing
Vossen 5 - Little or no service, but another who needs to improve massively, but good flick on for Keane's goal
Jutkiewicz 7 - Battled well and was pulled around all over the place with no help from the abysmal ref, could have had a goal

Vokes 6 - Some good touches
Taylor 7 - Imp

Steve_Harpers_Perm
15-08-2015, 02:55 PM
Heaton 7
Darikwa 7 least tried to make something happen going forward.
Mee 7 solid enough
Duff 7 as above
Keane 6 poor for first goal.
Boyd 4 awful done nothing since he scored against City.
Jones 5 poor everything sideways.
Airfield 5 same as Jones
Kightly 3 atrocious surely we are trying to ship him out. Offers absolutely nothing.
Vossen 4 worringly poor.
Juke 4 same as usual never looks like he's going to score. Hopefully rumours he's off to Forest are true.

Vokes 4 did nothing.
Sordell 3 fell over and then decided not to bother shooting when he had chance to win game. Hopefully another one who's on his way out.
Taylor 7 showed what a winger should be doing.

A game which confirmed what we all know we have not addressed our issues of lack of pace and creativity. Cannot see us being anywhere near promotion with the current players. Midfielder and winger or indeed wingers are a priority.

MDWat
15-08-2015, 03:01 PM
Heaton 6
Darikwa 7
Keane 6
Duff 5
Mee 5
Kightly 6
Arfield 6
Jones 6
Boyd 3 - we've stopped playing hide and seek now, George. You can come out.
Vossen 6
Jutkiewicz 4 - I'm sorry but his job is to score goals. Constantly either fouled or playing for fouls. Had about 6 shots on target in the game and I was more of a goal threat in my seat. We were miles more of a goal threat when Vokes came on.

Vokes 6 - the team is far more of a goal threat when he's on.

Mention for Matty Taylor who I have been very critical of - great cameo and what a goal.

Rubbish first half. Miles better second half. Missing a winger who actually wants the ball and a creative spark in the middle. Get Lansbury in, put him in the middle and get Arfield back out wide. Extra wide option required from the bench.

Plenty to work with and probably just need a couple more games. A few worrying bits too. Particularly up top.

matty1294claret
15-08-2015, 03:02 PM
Heaton 7
Darikwa 7*
Duff 5
Keane 6
Mee 5
Boyd 5
Arfield 4
Jones 5
Kightly 5
Vossen 6
Juke 6

Vokes 6

Caernarfon_Claret
15-08-2015, 03:05 PM
Heaton 7

Darikwa 7
Keane 6
Duff 5
Mee 5

Boyd 6
Arfield 5
Jones 4
Kightly 5

Vossen 5
Juke 6

Vokes 6
Taylor 8

the_quoon
15-08-2015, 03:06 PM
heaton - 7 no chance with either goal

darikwa - 7 settling into this level very well indeed

keane - 8 deservedly man of the match, he was clearly fouled for their first goal but didn't put a foot wrong after that. good to see we've finally got a real threat from set pieces again.

duff - 7 steady enough

mee - 7 same

jones - 7 once again showed his class at this level but he needs help in there

arfield - 5 slightly better 2nd half. very slightly.

boyd - 4 poor

kightly - 6 ok

jutkiewicz - 7

vossen - 6 some lovely touches and a good assist, needs better service into his feet. will come good.

vokes - 6


an even first half where both teams were poor should have changed when the referee missed a clear foul on jutkiewicz but instead changed when he missed a blatant push on keane for them to score. good strike but should never have stood.

we were much better second half and deserved more than we got but did well to battle back again when the referee

wherewasi
15-08-2015, 03:08 PM
Heaton 6
Darikwa 7. Has much to learn about defending but his pace helps him and his teammates out. Shows great promise going forward.
Duff 4.
Keane 6 (including 1 for the goal)
Mee 5.
Boyd 4.
Kightly 6.
Jones 5. if the word 'ponderous' had not been invented already....
Arfield 5.
Vossen 6.
Jutkiewicz 7.

Taylor 7.
Vokes 5.

neild100
15-08-2015, 03:11 PM
Heaton 7 OK
Darikwa 8 raw, fast, inventive, attack minded.
Mee 6 frequently beaten, couple of good crosses
Duff 8 - can't be many better centre backs in this division
Keane 5 inc +1 for the goal. Sorry but i seem to have a different opinion on Keane to most. At fault for the first, stood off when their player hit the bar, continuously beaten in the air, gave away a stupid penalty with a needless push, always ball watching and slow to react
Boyd 6 some good runs but not much end product. Should be producing far more.
Jones 6 calm and kept us ticking over. Cannot take a corner or free kick to save his life
Airfield 5 plenty of effort but poor passing, no vision
Kightly 6 some decent deliveries
Vossen 6 Good assist and some excellent passes. An unlikely SD signing. Didn't worry their defence
Juke 8* Led the line well, deserved a penalty again.

Vokes 6 ok
Sordell not on long enough
Taylor 8 Made a real difference

We have 2 tactics - the long ball or wait for our right ba

Pieandapint
15-08-2015, 03:22 PM
Keane is a young lad and has some developing to do, both in terms of on the pitch and physically - in some respects, he's still a boy. He will be a cracking player, for now though I think he needs someone else alongside him other than Duff to help him out.

Steve_Harpers_Perm
15-08-2015, 03:38 PM
I can't quite fathom people awarding Juke an 8??

JakubsTash
15-08-2015, 03:46 PM
Heaton 6

Darikwa 6
Mee 6
Keane 7
Duff 5

Boyd 5
Jones 5
Arfield 5
Kightly 4

Vossen 5
Juke 5

Vokes 5
Sordell 4
Taylor 7

I'm all for opinions but 8's for Juke??! That's a big score just for someone 'running his socks off'.

matty1294claret
15-08-2015, 03:48 PM
Me neither, baffling.

BHole
15-08-2015, 04:08 PM
Heaton 7
Darikwa 8
Duff 6
Keane 7
Mee 6
Boyd 6
Arfield 5
Jones 7
Kightly 6
Vossen 5
Jutkiewicz 7

Vokes 6
Taylor 8

daveisaclaret
15-08-2015, 04:08 PM
Heaton 6 - fine
Darikwa 8 - naive at times but very exciting talent, hope he keeps his place
Duff 5 - shaky, awful distribution
Keane 5 - same, neat header for the goal
Mee 6 - showed some good touches going forward
Boyd 5 - livened up towards the end but not offering enough atm
Arfield 5 - I seem to say the same thing every game I see about Arfield, not his position.
Jones 6 - and I do about Jones too, shouldering too much responsibility but was tidy today
Kightly 5 - summed it up by beating three men then putting in a dire cross
Vossen 5 - good assist but he's barely involved in open play
Jutkiewicz 6 - better than at Leeds, has a great ability to find the opposition goalie with shots

Vokes 5 - struggled to get involved
Sordell 4 - did the usual
Taylor - think he wasn't on long enough but would get an 8, really lively

I thought we were awful in the first half today, our midfield wasn't in the game and we were really shaky at centre half. Not sure if that's a missing

tomclaret
15-08-2015, 04:12 PM
Heaton -7-
Darikwa -7- A threat going forward in a team devoid of creativity elsewhere
Keane -6- Extra point for the goal and his attacking threat from other set pieces. At fault for their first
Duff -4- Maybe I've got high expectations of him but thought he was all over the place today. Distribution was poor
Mee -6-
Boyd -4- Nowhere near enough of a threat
Arfield -5- If we're to be promotion contenders we cannot continue to play him CM. He's more effective out wide.
Jones -6- Keeps us ticking but he badly misses Marney.
Kightly -6- Just about a 6 for the free kick. Wish he'd drive at his full back more.
Jutkiewicz -7- At least he put them under some pressure. Should've had a penalty. He gets into decent areas but cannot convert.
Vossen -4- Wasn't good today but we aren't playing to his strengths. Was anonymous in parts but he needs time to bed in.

Vokes -4- Did nothing.
Taylor -7- Worth it on that free kick alone. Could be a shout starting him on Tuesday?

Newcastleclaret1993
15-08-2015, 04:14 PM
Must be one of jukes last games starting for us, hennings is a goal scoring target man. I think Dyche must be thinking the same as the majority of clarets fans (juke won't score more than 5 in a season). For all the happy clappers giving juke an 8 or 7 because he ran his socks off give your head a shake. He's bottom end champ top end league 1 striker at best

tbc
15-08-2015, 04:18 PM
Heaton 7
Darikwa 7
Duff 6
Keane 6
Mee 5
Boyd 7
Arfield 5
Jones 5
Kightly 6
Vossen 4
Jutkiewicz 6

Vokes 6
Taylor 7

Morgan
15-08-2015, 04:20 PM
2 set piece goals tells you that there was zero creativity yet again. Open-play goals will be rare events unless there's some drastic improvement/change in personnel.
As for 8 for Jutkiewicz - you are joking, right?

matty1294claret
15-08-2015, 04:20 PM
Freedmans just said he wants a Burnley player as part of Lansbury deal, I'd send Juke tomorrow if that's really the case.

Jimscho
15-08-2015, 04:41 PM
Only 5 from many on here for Juke.Youre having a laugh or an agenda.Dont think he was an 8 but was nearer that than 5..give your head a bigger shake.

dermotdermot
15-08-2015, 04:44 PM
Where did you here that? I hope it's true and that he will go. I didn't much like the way he kicked up when subbed today after eighty five minutes. How many chances do you give a player like that?

BlackCountry
15-08-2015, 04:44 PM
Heaton 7
Darikwa 6
Duff 5
Keane 6
Mee 5
Boyd 5
Arfield 5 not a central midfielder
Jones 5
Kightly 5
Vossen 5 his quality will not come through without quality around him.
Juke 6 for effort but when will he score?

Vokes 5
Sordell 4
Taylor 6 just for the goal.

Central defence without Shackell lacking composure even at this level. He needs replacing. Nowhere near enough quality in midfield, out wide, or in attack. Need to get some wheeling and dealing done next week. Hopefully Henning will give us a 20 plus goalscorer.

lotty1
15-08-2015, 04:53 PM
Nield100 - Think you need to take another look at their penalty and then absolve Keane from all blame . If there's any blame it's down to the referee who started the move by obstructing Kightly and then was in the right place at the right time to give a pen - only he knows why - against Darikwa .

claretphil
15-08-2015, 04:58 PM
Heaton 6

Darikwa 7
Keane 7
Duff 5
Mee 6

Boyd 6
Jones 5
Arfield 5
Kightly 6

Jutkiewicz 6
Vossen 6

Taylor 7
Vokes 5

fidelcastro
15-08-2015, 05:04 PM
I don't get the criticism of Juke at all.

For all the criticism of Juke getting high marks... someone has given Boyd a seven for today's performance!XD

I thought Juke came off because he was injured, or have I got that wrong?

Steve_Harpers_Perm
15-08-2015, 05:09 PM
For a striker to get an 8 you'd expect him to at least work the keeper on a few occasions. He had one scuffed shot when he should have broke the net.

If we can get Lansbury and Paterson for cash and Juke it would be a good deal. Fingers crossed.

BobLordsFridge
15-08-2015, 05:16 PM
Heaton 7
Darikwa 7
Mee 6
Keane 6
Duff 6
Boyd 4
Kightly 5
Arfield 5
Jones 5
Juke 5
Vossen 5

Vokes 6

neild100
15-08-2015, 05:24 PM
Nield100 - Think you need to take another look at their penalty and then absolve Keane from all blame . If there's any blame it's down to the referee who started the move by obstructing Kightly and then was in the right place at the right time to give a pen - only he knows why - against Darikwa .


Agree about the Ref - but it was very clearly Keane who pushed their forward onto Darikwa.

Peter_Nobles_Wig
15-08-2015, 05:36 PM
Heaton 7
Darikwa 7
Mee 6
Keane 8 (MOM)
Duff 7
Boyd 6
Kightly 5
Arfield 5
Jones 6
Juke 5
Vossen 5

Vokes 6
Taylor 7 (Sweet strike)

lotty1
15-08-2015, 05:50 PM
No - you need to look again !!!

CaptJohn
15-08-2015, 06:04 PM
I came off today frustrated that we let a very ordinary team off the hook. We huffed and we puffed but couldn't beat the Brum.

Heaton 7: No chance with either goal
Darikwa 7: Very promising home debut for this lad. A bit naive for the pen but he'll learn.
Sir Benjamin Mee 6: Not quite up to his normal standard.
Keane 8: (MOM) Very assured display from this young man. He oozes class IMHO.
Duff 5: I'm a great fan of Duffer but what on earth was he doing with his passes today :?
Boyd 6: He should stay wider. His drifting inside lets teams off the hook.
Kightly 5: Flatters to decieve but they doubled up on him today.
Arfield 5: He's not a central midfielder and it showed today.
Jones 6: Always available and looks for the pass but not so much movement up front today as Brum defended in depth.
Juke 6: Constantly fouled but battled hard.
Vossen 5: Not sure what to make of this guy. He obviously has talent but so far is on a different wavelength to everyone else.

Vokes 6: A bi

nil_desperandum
15-08-2015, 06:10 PM
"Keane 5 inc +1 for the goal. Sorry but i seem to have a different opinion on Keane to most. At fault for the first, stood off when their player hit the bar, continuously beaten in the air, gave away a stupid penalty with a needless push, always ball watching and slow to react"
I think you need to have serious word with your guide dog. Most of the above is fictitious. When did they hit the bar? (Heaton tipped it over and Keane was nowhere near). [Perhaps you mean Cotterill striking the post, but that was nowhere near the bar]. He was clearly fouled for the first goal, and Donaldson admitted to going over deliberately for the penalty because Darikwa just about touched him with his foot.
Considering Duff is so slow, Darikwa is frequently out of position, and Keane is being asked to play on the left to accommodate these right sided players I thought he was generally very good today. I hope he will replace Duff on Tuesday, alongside Mee with Ward in at leftback, (We definitely need more

enola_gay
15-08-2015, 06:18 PM
Heaton (6) - largely untroubled by a not-much-kop opposition
Darikwa (7) - little to do defensively, looked better going forward. One late nutmeg and cross in particular deserved more than just a lot of players admiring it as it whizzed past.
Mee (6) - see Darikwa but without the attacking threat.
Keane (6) - looks like a prospect but needs games.
Duff (5) - thought he looked off the pace today. Probably unnerved by being forced into the de facto playmaker role in the first half.
Boyd (4) - remember that pacy, skillful Peterborough winger who went at players and shot from everywhere? When did he get replaced by the wannabe ultrarunner ?
Kightly (5) - tried hard, largely didn't deliver.
Arfield (5) - a victim of our inability/unwillingness to actually go out and sign a proper central midfielder.
Jones (6) - solid enough. Needs someone more inspiring alongside him.
Jutkiewicz (6) - can't fault him for e

chekhov
15-08-2015, 06:19 PM
There's a few grumbles about marks, so here's mine.
How does Sordell justify the 4's he's got? He was on the field for 10 minutes, so wasn't on long enough to recieve a mark, and considering he didn't have a chance to get in the game, I think folk are being unwarrantedly harsh.
Give the lad a break.
Thanks for reading and a good evening to all.
(by the way I watched on my computer)

FCBurnley
15-08-2015, 06:21 PM
Thought we were very poor and did not deserve to win.

Heaton 6
Darikwa 6
Duff 4
Keane 6
Mee 5
Boyd 4
Jones 4
Arfield 4
Kightly 4
Vossen 4 including a point for assist
Juke 6 all fro effort.
Taylor 7
Vokes 4 still not fit

Rileybobs
15-08-2015, 06:34 PM
Heaton - 7 - Did what he had to well
Darikwa - 7 - Proved our best outlet throughout and should have had another assist
Duff - 6 - A little off his best, gave the ball away in a very dangerous area
Keane - 7 - Had a tough time up against Donaldson but did ok and scored the first
Mee - 6 - Did ok, didn't get involved enough in attack
Boyd - 4 - A million miles from the player we saw for the best part of last season
Arfield - 5 - Doesn't look like a midfielder, never went forward and didn't show for the ball
Jones - 6 - Didn't shy away from the ball like Arfield but just as unadventurous in possession
Kightly - 7 - Don't understand the criticism, thought he played well and was the only one to try and take the opposition on. Should have done much better after a mazy run
Vossen - 6 - There's signs of a very good player there but other than the flick on for the goal he didn't offer much
Juke - 7 - Another good performance, another game without a goal. Should have won another penal

neild100
15-08-2015, 06:39 PM
@nil desperandum

It was the post - I stand corrected.
Keane was the one stood watching

He was also the one who mis-judged the flight of the ball for the first goal - the push didn't help - but he should have anticipated a challenge

The penalty - he had no need to push their player - who also had no need to dive - but it cost us a goal

As for Duff being slow - seemed to manage for pace ok last year against some of the best players in the world

DavetheVicar
15-08-2015, 06:47 PM
Heaton 7
Darikwa 7
Mee 6
Keane 7
Duff 6
Boyd 5
Arfield 5
Jones 6
Kightly 6
Vossen 6
Juke 7

Vokes 6

nil_desperandum
15-08-2015, 06:57 PM
"As for Duff being slow - seemed to manage for pace ok last year against some of the best players in the world"
And his pace last season is somehow relevant to his pace this afternoon at almost 38 years of age?
Anyway if you initially thought it hit the post, then perhaps you didn't see some of the other incidents so clearly either? (It was a long way from the bar).
"the push didn't help" -so you now accept then that Keane was fouled for the opening goal?

BelialofBacup
15-08-2015, 07:08 PM
Heaton 6
Darikwa 8 - looks like we've got a good prospect
Duff 6
Keane 6
Mee 5 - couldn't pass wind today
Boyd 5 - is he back from his hols yet?
Jones 6
Arfield 5 - just poor again
Kightly 6 - a 5 for first half and 7 for second
Vossen 6
Juke 7 - doing quite well given all the balls humped up to him
Taylor 7 - saw what we signed him for today
Vokes 5 - not much influence at all

IanMcL
15-08-2015, 07:10 PM
Got home just after 7.30, so just over 12 hours away, and 470 miles covered!

Better 2nd half and better still when Taylor came on.

Heaton 6
Darikwa 6
Mee 6
Keane 6
Duff 6
Boyd 5
Arfield 7
Jones 7
Kightly 6
Vossen 6
Juke 7

Vokes 6
Taylor 7

A lot better tahn Port Vale! However, we are not as committed going forward this season, so far. We need to believe again. Up the Clarets

careyclaret
15-08-2015, 07:47 PM
Heaton 7 - very solid
Darikwa 7 - great going forward, really promising, but was naïve for the penalty
Mee 6 - struggled today
Keane 7 - nice goal, but some weak moments in the first half
Duff 5 - poor today, distribution awful
Boyd 5 - poor
Arfield 5 - big fan of his but poor today
Jones 6 - our best player in the first half, but faded
Kightly 6 - doesn't say much for the others but he was our main threat
Vossen 5 - not getting the service required but poor nonetheless
Juke 7 - desperately needs a goal but held the ball up well for us

Vokes 6 - ok
Taylor - 7 - fantastic goal and corners

Overall quite poor. First half was tedious and hard to watch

JeremyBender
15-08-2015, 07:50 PM
Heaton - 6
Darikwa - 8 MOM
Keane - 6
Duff - 5
Mee - 6
Boyd - 7
Arfield- 2
Jones - 7
Kightly - 6
Vossen - 3
Juke - 5

Vokes - 5
Taylor - 7

Not good was it...

claretlucas
15-08-2015, 07:57 PM
Drab and ponderous. We're reaping the consequences of failing to bring in a quality midfielder.

Suspect that is the last time we'll see Juke in our starting line up again

Heaton - 6
Darikwa - 8 MOM
Keane - 6
Duff - 5
Mee - 6
Boyd - 4
Arfield- 4
Jones - 5
Kightly - 5
Vossen - 5
Juke - 5

Vokes - 5
Taylor - 7

ChorltonCharlie
15-08-2015, 08:34 PM
First time I've done this in ages...

I thought like last week, if keeping expectations in check when we know the squad isn't complete, that there was still plenty to be positive about. Of course if we're still playing like this in a couple of months it will be concerning, but it's far from doom and gloom. I've a feeling Birmingham will be a surprise package to some degree this year and they looked impressive on the counter, yet even for all our problems I think over the course of the game we were unlucky not to win.

I do think for all the obvious complaints of lacking certain aspects, our issues are more to do with players who should be key being short of form.

Heaton 7 - couple of smart saves when needed.
Darikwa 7 - Can still look raw at times, but has similar characteristics to his game. Showed some good stuff in the final third. Not going to fault him for the penalty as on the ground it looked soft and by all accounts the lad dived according to people who have seen on TV.

lotty1
15-08-2015, 08:39 PM
Were you at a different game Nield100 ? The penalty wasn't given for a push by Keane but you just carry on saying it was .

ChorltonCharlie
15-08-2015, 09:10 PM
Interesting reading back through other's ratings. It does seem that more than ever ratings are based on pre-conceived opinions of certain players, and that's not picking on anybody in particular.

Juke has definitely entered Graham Branch territory. People either have decided he's useless and score him regardles of performance as such, or his defenders seem to turn the smallest bit of good play into something very positive.

Arfield in many peoples eyes seems to be scored as "not a central midfielder" irrespective of what he actually does. For me today he was average, but ball retention much improved (we had 59% possesion overall) and did contribute to our attacking play with mixed success.

Sordell often scoring worse than Vokes, yet Vokes hardly seemed to touch the ball, where as at least Sordell had a few occasions in his cameo where he brought others into play.

Yes, I know it's all about opinions, but I just wish people would score and comment based on that days game with

DarkCloud
15-08-2015, 09:12 PM
Heaton 8
Darikwa 7 (one off for unnecessary challenge on Donaldson - even if it wasn't actually a penalty)
Duff 7 (distribution not great)
Keane 7 (caught out by the tricky Donaldson more than once)
Mee 7
Jones 6 (very dithery as usual)
Arfield 6 (not entirely his fault, but just not comfortable that position)
Boyd 6 (not much impact)
Kightly 5 (got an extra point for the cross which we equalised from, otherwise hopeless!)
Juke 7 (I'm not normally a fan, but he did well today imo. Needs to add a goal or 2 and he DID have the chances)
Vossen 5 (Forgot he was on for long spells)
Taylor 8 (definitely made a difference and the goal was class)
Volkes 7
Sordell 6

My worry today was that we look a "decent" side. Decent defence, decent midfield and decent up front, but then again Brum looked a "decent" side. What we're clearly missing is that tiny bit extra which we have come to expect which makes us a better than "decent" side and which allows us to actually win games like to

Luppy
15-08-2015, 09:43 PM
Heaton - 6

Darikwa - 7* - never a penalty.
Duff - 5
Keane - 6
Mee - 6

Boyd - 4 - carrying on the form that somehow got him player of year last season
Arfield - 5
Jones - 6
Kightly - 5

Vossen - 4 - I really hope his lack of form is down to lack of fitness
Juke - 6 - grafts but he offers no goal threat

Vokes - 5
Taylor - 6 - offered more quality in 20 mins than rest put together
Sordell - the lad is trying but it is never going to work

No pace, no creativity.

claretspice
15-08-2015, 10:13 PM
Heaton - 7 - Couple of smart saves.

Darikwa - 8 - Thought he looked like a bright and dynamic presence down our right. His weakness on the back post was evident once or twice but Birmingham never really exploited it and he was a real outlet in attack.

Mee - 6 - Ok-ish defensively, ok-ish in the final third, but his distribution was short of the required standard and its not clear how he can be considered a better all-round bet at left back in this sort of game than Ward.

Duff - 5 - Thought he was shaky defensively and lacked quality in possession. Too often Birmingham were willing to give him the ball; too often he wasn't able to pick the constructive pass.

Keane - 6 - A real threat in the Birmingham box; less imposing when defending our own and I thought he got caught out to enable Donaldson to run in behind for the second goal, as well as being caught for our first.

Jones - 7 - Steady, industrious and efficient.

Arfield - 6 - Not bad, but didn't move the ball quick

Duffer_
15-08-2015, 10:17 PM
Heaton 7
Darikwa 6
Duff 5
Keane 8*
Mee 6
Kightly 7
Jones 7
Arfield 8
Boyd 5
Juke 7
Vossen 5

Taylor 7
Sordell 6
Vokes 5

Bobcloth2
15-08-2015, 10:27 PM
Heaton 7
Darikwa 6 better going forward than defending
Mee 6 poor distribution
Keane 5 at fault for both goals
Duff 5 unusually poor
Boyd 4 lucky to keep his place on his last 10-15 games
Jones 6 like Duff unusually poor
Arfield 6 square peg
Kightly 4 poor
Vossen 5 extra point for assist
Juke 5 no threat

Taylor 8 make the difference
Vokes 6 didn't offer much
Sordell 6 same as Vokes

daveisaclaret
15-08-2015, 10:35 PM
Spice - interested to know when you thought Jutkiewicz was unlucky not to equalise?

claretspice
15-08-2015, 10:40 PM
Had a couple of half-decent efforts at 1-0, best being a snapshot on the volley which went straight at the keeper and on another day would have gone 2 feet either side of him.

Thought Juke did OK today, but I am very much in the camp which feels he's not the answer and we need to back Hennings or Vokes to deliver more if we're to be in the promotion mix.

Morgan
15-08-2015, 10:49 PM
Juke: "mildly unlucky not to equalise"

Even allowing for your usual verbosity, that's a belter.

daveisaclaret
15-08-2015, 10:52 PM
To me, that's not unlucky spice. He had a decent chance and he hit it straight at the keeper, and that has been his MO as a Burnley player.

Kim Jong-un83
15-08-2015, 11:51 PM
By spice's logic we were just unlucky when we signed Juke and Sordell we didnt get two 20+ strikers...if only when they shot on target it went in

Pidgeon
16-08-2015, 01:21 AM
Heaton 7
Darikwa 8 - looks a very good prospect
Duff 6
Keane 7
Mee 4 - really struggled
Kightly 6 - a better 2nd half
Jones 6
Arfield 5
Boyd 6
Juke 6 - lots of effort but doesn't look like scoring
Vossen 4 - looks poor on this showing

Taylor 7 - what a fantastic free kick
Sordell 6
Vokes 5

ashtonlongsider
16-08-2015, 05:30 AM
Heaton 7
Darikwa 8-Only player who took some ownership. lets have some leaders in the team
Duff 7
Keane 7
Mee 5
Kightly 4-What a relief when Taylor came on
Jones 7
Arfield 5-Sorry not Central midfield for me.
Boyd 4-needs to start taking more responsibility.
Juke 7-Is he our most unlucky player ever? Just 1 goal and the floodgates will open.
Vossen 5

Taylor 7
Sordell 5
Vokes 5

Darthlaw
16-08-2015, 07:14 AM
Heaton 7 - steady away and nothing he could do with the penalty.
Darikwa 7 - Seemed to be restricted in the first half, then we got to see the best of him when he bombed forward.
Duff 5 - poor distribution today, both short and long, and beaten easily a few times. Bad day at the office
Keane 7 - calming in the first half and pressed the team forwards against a deep lying Birmingham. Good goal too.
Mee 6 - no attack and beaten a few times. Distribution also poor in the first half.
Kightly 5 - kept running into trouble and falling over. One extra point for the free kick delivery.
Jones 6 - ponderous and lack of right foot slowed the game down in the first half. Got better in the second.
Arfield 5- failed to find space further up the field in the first half and didn't really break up play or give us creativity. This forced Vossen to come back looking for the ball.
Boyd 4- he just looks flat at the minute. Didn't really show for the ball or provide his trademark constant running.

RogerEliHatTrick
16-08-2015, 08:04 AM
Heaton 7
Darikwa 7 only creative threat MOM
Keane 7 well taken goal
Duff 5
Mee 5
Boyd 4 poor would bench him
Arfield 5 not a central midfielder. Please sort this position out.
Jones 6 solid but no forward threat.
Kightly 5 didn't play anywhere near to standard of Leeds game.
Vossen 5 this system doesn't suit him. Think there is a good player in there and made an assist.
Juke 6 good effort but no goal threat whatsoever. Would be more than happy to see him go to get a decent midfielder in.

Taylor 7 not normally a big fan but great threat at set pieces. Good corners. Need to use this more as there is little creativity elsewhere.
Sordell 5 happy to see him go.

First half was abysmal from us. We are desperate now for a central midfielder. The penalty was absolutely pathetic from the referee.

Martin_Bell
16-08-2015, 08:58 AM
Heaton 6 - Not really troubled.
Darikwa 7 - The only pace and creativity in the whole side. Positiionally dodgy for the first ten minutes and then settled down.
Keane 6 - OK. Thought he should've done better for the first goal
Duff 5 - Distribution terrible.
Mee 6 - OK.
Kightly 5 - Energetic without much else - typical Kightly
Arfield 6 - Finally got on the ball and tried to carry it, but the sooner he's back our wide the better
Jones 5 - Ponderous.
Boyd 4 - Nothing. Continued the form of the last ten games. He's offering zero.
Vossen 5 - Good flick on for the goal. He's not going to score if he never gets past the front man or in the box. Needs the ball to feet and just didn't get any time on the ball yesterday.
Jutkiewicz 4 - ZERO goal threat.

Everything I feared about this side, was played out unfortunately.

Steve_Harpers_Perm
16-08-2015, 09:10 AM
With Juke's marks on here it should be at least a straight swap for Lansbury!

JakubsTash
16-08-2015, 09:25 AM
Claretspice - it was Boyd who won the free kick for Taylor - not Juke.

hanoverusaclaret
16-08-2015, 10:18 AM
Heaton 7 solid as always and loud too. best keeper in my lifetime at the Turf.
Darikwa 7 Very promising. Most vision on the team.
Mee 6 Decent. very good in this division.
Duff 5 distribution was very poor today and I think our opponents sussed it too. Otherwise okay.
Keane 8* very good. best I've seen him
Jones 6 not anything like as good without Marney or a likeminded partner
Arfield 5 poor in the middle. We've needed a central midfielder since the middle of the last promotion year. We need to get it sorted or we will quickly be behind the leaders. Arfield needs to be on the wing.
Boyd 5 Not involved enough. Where is the marathon man from last year?
Vossen 4 worryingly anonymous. poor touch. looks lacking in match fitness.
Jutkiewics 6 much better once Vokes was on. Some in the crowd on his back after 5 minutes. I can't stand idiots like that. Support the team for crikeys sake.
Kightly 5 Except for a wonderful delivery for the first goal he was poor.

Subs:
Vokes 7ad

Blakey
16-08-2015, 11:22 AM
Heaton 6
Darikwa 8 mom
Mee 6
Duff 5
Keane 7
Jones 6
Arfield 6
Kightly 6
Vossen 5
Jutkiewicz 6
Boyd 6

Vokes 6
Taylor 8

BabylonClaret
16-08-2015, 12:15 PM
Heaton 7 – v little to do but made a great stop in the 1st half and almost almost got something on the pen
Darikwa 7 – great first half but less so second – suckered for the pen (but was never a pen in a million years)
Duff 6 – looks a bit rusty and made a good few errors
Keane 7 – v impressive and a threat in the opposite box too
Mee 7 – did well and delivered a couple of great balls in the second half
Boyd 6 – not as bad as I expected from some fo the comments. Still looks most likely to get in behind
Kightly 6 – improved second half and a super delivery for the goal but v wasteful in possession
Jones 5 – pedestrian, slow and sloppy delivery
Arfield 4 – shocking
Jukiewitz – 5 works hard, not protected but had two or three efforts on goal that looked as though he kicked with slippers – doesn’t look any kind of goal threat at all
Vossen 5 – great assist and a couple of flashes here and there but not given much chance really
Vokes 5 – did he even get a proper touch? Not his

claretMat
16-08-2015, 04:25 PM
Heaton 7 - excellent communication as ever. Solid otherwise, decent save in the first half.
Darikwa 7* - very raw, and a number of mistakes in and off the ball but certainly has potential. The cross in the second half deserved an assist.
Duff 5- not as dominant as we would like to see him and some of his distribution was hit and miss at best. Not sure his communication with Keane was great either, particularly for their first.
Keane 6 - tough to mark any higher despite being excellent technically. He was both weak and naive for the first goal (although I actually don't think he knew Donaldson was their due to lack of a shout.) lacked awareness for their second as tends to be a trait of his. Will be brilliant but needs talking through games by Duff (ala McGreal with Cahill all those years ago)
Mee 5 - some sloppy minutes but an excellent ball to the back stick and fairly solid otherwise.
Boyd 5 - constantly looks off balance when receiving the ball and his crossing with both feet i

pushpinpussy
16-08-2015, 04:29 PM
worst first half i have seen in a long time. second half we went more direct and looked more dangerous. its obvious Vossen dosnt suit our style of play but all in all a point won as we were mainly poor. it just shows how good Shacks Trips and Ings were as we look very average without them.

sausages
16-08-2015, 04:38 PM
Heaton - 7
Darikwa - 8
Keane - 7
Duff - 6
Mee - 6
Boyd 5
Arfield - 6
Jones - 6
Kightly - 5
Vossen - 5
Juke - 7

Taylor -7
Vokes - 6
Sordell - N/A

bf2k
16-08-2015, 05:26 PM
Heaton - 7 - Nothing to do
Darikwa - 8 - Outstanding and given he had no support in front of him :star:
Keane - 7 - Really good.
Duff - 5 - Poor by his standards
Mee - 5 - We need a proper left back
Boyd - 4 - He offered nothing. Too bothered about drifting all over the pitch.
Arfield - 6 - only midfielder that drove forward.
Jones - 5 - can't play in a two man midfield. He's to slow
Kightly - 4 - Awful
Vossen - 7 - I like him. His movement was good and played in the hole which made him hard to pick up.
Juke - 7 - did everything but score.

Taylor -7 - Changed the game and what a goal.
Vokes - 6 - Didn't have too much to feed off and playing next to Marvelous Marv he had the job of two to do.
Sordell - He wasn't on long enough and thank god. I mean he fell over whilst jogging backwards. 6 yard out and doesn't shoot??? WHY???

SloughClarets
16-08-2015, 09:06 PM
Heaton - 7
Darikwa - 8
Keane - 7
Duff - 6
Mee - 4
Boyd 7
Arfield - 5
Jones - 7
Kightly - 8
Vossen - 6
Juke - 6

Taylor -7
Vokes - 6
Sordell - 3

jdrobbo
16-08-2015, 09:09 PM
Heaton - 7
Darikwa - 8
Keane - 8
Duff - 6
Mee - 8
Boyd 5
Arfield - 6
Jones - 6
Kightly - 6
Vossen - 6
Juke - 7

Taylor -7
Vokes - 6
Sordell - N/A

Cirrus_Minor
16-08-2015, 10:46 PM
Heaton - 7
Darikwa - 8
Keane - 8
Duff - 6
Mee - 7
Boyd 5
Arfield - 5
Jones - 6
Kightly - 6
Vossen - 5
Juke - 6

Taylor -7
Vokes - 6
Sordell - N/A

braindead
16-08-2015, 11:04 PM
Heaton - 7 made some decent stops
Darwika - 8 (MoM) handled Gray really well and looked good going forward. Seems to like an early cross as well
Mee - 5 Our system of play requires a full back to have a bit more craft and ability to get forward.
Keane - 7 Good goal, bullied a bit by Donaldson but all in all a decent performance
Duff - 5 a bit ponderous and let down by poor distribution
Arfield - 5 Poor, to much sideways and back, not enough forward movement
Jones - 6 better than Arfield but that's hardly a plus
Kightley -5 loads of ideas, very little end product.
Boyd - 5 Disappointing, always bags of endeavour but expect more in this league
Juke - 5 Simply not good enough for the team we hope to become
Vossen - 6 wants the ball but we don't have the tools in midfield or out wide at the moment to give him the correct service
Vokes - 6 meh
Taylor - 7 Wonderful free kick. Has to start on Tuesday

We should have won this game at a canter. **** Championship ref spoi

strayclaret
17-08-2015, 08:20 AM
Heaton - 7
Darikwa - 7
Keane - 6
Duff - 6
Mee - 6
Boyd 5 not sure what you are offering at the moment George
Arfield - 5 get him out wide
Jones - 6
Kightly - 5
Vossen - 6
Juke - 7
In the end despite a pedestrian performance, it was 2 points lost.

Redbeard
17-08-2015, 08:24 AM
Heaton - 7
Darikwa - 8
Keane - 7
Duff - 6
Mee - 5
Boyd - 6
Arfield - 5
Jones - 6
Kightly - 5
Vossen - 6
Juke - 5

Taylor -7
Vokes - 6

claretblue
17-08-2015, 10:18 AM
Heaton - 7
Darikwa - 8
Keane - 8
Duff - 6
Mee - 6
Boyd 5
Arfield - 5
Jones - 6
Kightly - 6
Vossen - 6
Juke - 7

Taylor -7
Vokes - 6
Sordell - n/a

nil_desperandum
17-08-2015, 10:48 AM
"Mee - 5 - We need a proper left back"
I take it you don't rate Ward either then? Signing a new left back is a v low priority (IMO).

superdimitri
17-08-2015, 01:06 PM
Heaton - 7
Darikwa - 7
Keane - 6
Duff - 6
Mee - 6
Boyd 5
Arfield - 6
Jones - 5
Kightly - 6
Vossen - 6
Juke - 6

Taylor - 8
Vokes - 6

SmithybridgeClaret1
17-08-2015, 01:46 PM
Heaton - 6
Darikwa - 8 (MOM)
Keane - 5
Duff - 5
Mee - 4
Boyd 4
Arfield - 6
Jones - 5
Kightly - 5
Vossen - 4
Juke - 5

Taylor -7
Vokes - 5

NottsClaret
17-08-2015, 03:26 PM
Heaton 7

Darikwa 7

Duff 5 - Everyone loves the guy but he had his boots on the wrong feet on Saturday

Keane 7 - Beginning to look a class above

Mee 6

Boyd 5

Arfield 5 - Will Lansbury ever sign? Will Marney be back pre-Xmas? Whatever, something has to change.

Jones 6

Kightly 5

Vossen 6 - Might be a good ‘un if the ball stopped whistling past his head.

Jutkiewicz 6 - It’s fair enough saying ‘he should have had a pen’ every week, but he’s not going to get them. So he needs to find another purpose to being out there.


Vokes 6
Taylor 8 - Showed the gulf in class between an ageing, injured Prem player and this league.

Sammy_G
17-08-2015, 09:20 PM
Heaton 7 - No mistakes

Darikwa 8 - MOTM for me, only decent player first half, carried it through into the second

Duff 5 - Poor distribution and failed to keep a leash on Donaldson

Keane 7 - Great distribution and ball control under pressure, scored but had issues with Donaldson also

Mee 5 - Solid generally but was caught out a few times on the break

Boyd 6 - Solid but unspectacular

Arfield 5 - Doesn't belong in the centre. Good passing side to side but failed to exploit space ahead

Jones 5 - Lacked awareness on the ball - decent sideways distribution as with Arfield

Kightly 5 - First touch let him down 5/6 times - caused problems on occasion including the free kick

Vossen 6 - We only started playing to his strengths when he'd been subbed off. Hoofball will never work. Good distribution though.

Jutkiewicz 6 - Held the ball up well, showed good strength against Birmingham's back line.

Subs:
Vokes 6 - Same as Juke
Taylor 8 - Made a real impac