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jvmiller
18-11-2015, 08:59 AM
Neil Redfearn speaks on changing the club's transfer policy.
- view external link (http://www.itsmillerstime.co.uk/2015/11/millers-boss-neil-redfearn-moving-on.html)

Deepmidwinter
18-11-2015, 09:22 AM
The team wasn't the only thing that was unbalanced

Brin
18-11-2015, 09:36 AM
Is that the final chapter now on 'they aren't my players' etc....

Right Neil Redfearn over to you to show us what YOU can do.... If you sign the other two that's five you've brought in already..... Good luck I think the majority of fans are behind you...

It's now down to you to deliver....

gwru
18-11-2015, 10:22 AM
There's experience but Hunt 34 & Kelly 32 is pushing it abit. Right back is a specialist position, defender first & to be able to get forward.

andy_miller72
18-11-2015, 10:33 AM
that all sounds great but he didn't exactly get the balance right against Ipswich, either in terms of experience or tactically. He also left out 3 players in smallwood, JCH and newell who are hardly old timers.

Like Brin, i'm very tired of all this blaming the squad, they're not my players lark, Maybe not but you've been here long enough to be able to organise and structure a side in how you want to play - a good manager would have at least been able to make us difficult to beat and then build from there, so far we''ve gone the other way

mellowmiller
18-11-2015, 11:41 AM
This constant criticism by Neil Redfearn of the squad he inherited is getting more than a little wearisome particularly as he was so complimentary about the players when he first arrived. Funny what a string of defeats and inept performances can do!
You're the manager Neil so get on with the job you said you could do when you beat the other 60 plus candidates and stop blaming others for making the situation worse than it was before you came on board.
Another irritating thing is that Tony Stewart and a couple of others on the Technical Committee oversaw the previous transfer policy and are therefore as culpable as the previous manager for the revolving door policy.
If they didn't like it they had the power to stop it ages ago rather than whinge about it after the event when everything in the garden isn't rosy.
Can the club just draw a line under this issue once and for all and concentrate on the immediate objective of getting points on the board to get out of the relegation dogfigh

LiverDamage
18-11-2015, 12:37 PM
Another irritating thing is that Tony Stewart and a couple of others on the Technical Committee oversaw the previous transfer policy and are therefore as culpable as the previous manager for the revolving door policy.


Did they ??,hmm.UTM

Brin
18-11-2015, 01:10 PM
Another irritating thing is that Tony Stewart and a couple of others on the Technical Committee oversaw the previous transfer policy and are therefore as culpable as the previous manager for the revolving door policy.


Did they ??,hmm.UTM

Well who sanctioned and signed and endorsed the cheques?

Did Evans have his own cheque book?

LiverDamage
18-11-2015, 01:26 PM
Evans was/is a sweet talker,he just went to the chairman and said"i need this,this and this,and he got it,that needless blowing the budget in the summer every season had to stop,there was no committee at that time.UTM

mellowmiller
18-11-2015, 01:41 PM
There was no committee but there was Tony Stewart and Paul Douglas. Are you seriously saying they blindly sanctioned everything Evans asked for and didn't have any regard for what was happening to the budget?
That would be a really stupid way to run a business wouldn't it :(

Donald_Valley
18-11-2015, 02:10 PM
Very good. I suspect at the end of 90 minutes on Saturday, Evans will remind you of the fact that he got two promotions and a survival with those "thoughts"......and three points with his current thoughts. Trap shut, get in with sorting this *bleep*ing mess out.

andy_miller72
18-11-2015, 02:35 PM
completely agree - a manager can ask for players, most always want to try and improve the squad but they don't have the power to sign and spend money unless approved by others.

we didn't hear much complaining from the board when we were winning 2 promotions and we gave SE a new contract.

Stop whingeing and sort it. The transfer policy of the new manager isnt that different so far, weve brought 3 players in - have others on trial and have a high number who have hardly featured

LiverDamage
18-11-2015, 02:39 PM
There was no committee but there was Tony Stewart and Paul Douglas. Are you seriously saying they blindly sanctioned everything Evans asked for and didn't have any regard for what was happening to the budget?
That would be a really stupid way to run a business wouldn't it :(


He was given a budget which he used all at once with no contingency,he had to resort to loans because that was the only avenue left.
Is it any coincidence that Ritchie Barker criticized Evans when he took over at Crawley,(which they fell out over),and now NR is starting to do the same,they just don't agree with his short term policy of 2 year contracts etc..UTM

mellowmiller
18-11-2015, 02:48 PM
But that doesn't make sense. If he had used up all the budget there wouldn't have been any money left for loans!

Brin
18-11-2015, 02:50 PM
There was no committee but there was Tony Stewart and Paul Douglas. Are you seriously saying they blindly sanctioned everything Evans asked for and didn't have any regard for what was happening to the budget?
That would be a really stupid way to run a business wouldn't it :(


He was given a budget which he used all at once with no contingency,he had to resort to loans because that was the only avenue left.
Is it any coincidence that Ritchie Barker criticized Evans when he took over at Crawley,(which they fell out over),and now NR is starting to do the same,they just don't agree with his short term policy of 2 year contracts etc..UTM[/quote]

Another team he got promoted twice....yeh your crap Evans XD

LiverDamage
18-11-2015, 02:51 PM
He got rid of the dross he signed that summer out on loan to create wiggle room for replacements. :(



There was no new money.

jolly_roger
18-11-2015, 03:02 PM
Another irritating thing is that Tony Stewart and a couple of others on the Technical Committee oversaw the previous transfer policy and are therefore as culpable as the previous manager for the revolving door policy.


Did they ??,hmm.UTM

Well who sanctioned and signed and endorsed the cheques?

Did Evans have his own cheque book?



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No but it's still easy to get costs out of control.

If for example (for simplicity) 5 players are in a team (instead of 11) SE could be telling TS that one more is needed to cover for injuries etc so TS sanctions a signing. Then SE tells TS that the keeper is having a poor run so he wants a replacement on loan, TS of course says yes. Already the squad has gone from 5 to 7.

Then the club is in danger of being relegated so SE targets 3 more replacements, TS however says it can only happen if 2 or 3 are transferred or loaned out, SE pro

andy_miller72
18-11-2015, 03:05 PM
The proof in this will be in the pudding - i doubt very much we will sign players on longer term deals now evans has gone. That just rarely happens in football these days, 2/3 year contracts tend to be the norm

in terms of loans, once we got to the championship its the only way weve found so far of bringing in the extra quality required. There's no way players like ofoe, martinez, hunt etc would come permanently. When we've tried to compete for better quality players like dicko, tavs etc we've been blown out of the water in terms of wages offered. The big change in policy this summer was signing players on 1 year deals - i've no idea if that was down to the manager or the board or if it was player choice. If it was at board level it does look like we were planning for the worse

Brin
18-11-2015, 03:37 PM
Another irritating thing is that Tony Stewart and a couple of others on the Technical Committee oversaw the previous transfer policy and are therefore as culpable as the previous manager for the revolving door policy.


Did they ??,hmm.UTM

Well who sanctioned and signed and endorsed the cheques?

Did Evans have his own cheque book?



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No but it's still easy to get costs out of control.

If for example (for simplicity) 5 players are in a team (instead of 11) SE could be telling TS that one more is needed to cover for injuries etc so TS sanctions a signing. Then SE tells TS that the keeper is having a poor run so he wants a replacement on loan, TS of course says yes. Already the squad has gone from 5 to 7.

Then the club is in danger of being relegated so SE targets 3 more replacements, TS however says it can only happen i

LiverDamage
18-11-2015, 03:49 PM
My,my this is hard work.Evans was given a budget and yes he ran riot with it,but it was given to him to use how he wanted,he squandered it could have used it better.Hope this helps.

gramiller1959
18-11-2015, 04:05 PM
leon best ... striker ... 33 games .. 0 goals :/ that's quality :(

andy_miller72
18-11-2015, 04:13 PM
and if we're in that much of a mess surely we should have appointed someone with a record of doing something similar elsewhere. As far as i can see Redfearn has no experience of working in these circumstances and little experience of building/rebuilding squads - except at youth level. Thats a big gamble

Brin
18-11-2015, 04:29 PM
My,my this is hard work.Evans was given a budget and yes he ran riot with it,but it was given to him to use how he wanted,he squandered it could have used it better.Hope this helps.

Not hard work at all..... He's a manager ever manager has a manager until you come to the owner who is the person to manage 'that' manager....

Budget aside the payments still needed approving and that's where the buck stops
With the Chairman/owner of the club!

The mess we are in is not solely Evans' fault....I would like to think SE has learnt a very harsh lesson over this fiasco....

mellowmiller
18-11-2015, 04:35 PM
How do you know that Evans "squandered the budget"? Sounds strange to me that he was allowed to "run riot" when every deal had to be finalised by Paul Douglas. I would have thought budget responsibility was a major part of his job.
Maybe speculation is in danger of being converted to "fact."

jolly_roger
18-11-2015, 05:07 PM
Note the comment - there NEEDED to be more thought behind it. Not NEEDS to be more thought behind it.

A clear criticism of Evans

kempo
18-11-2015, 05:11 PM
Mellow is absolutely correct and it's not a difficult concept to grasp..TS is the Chairman and he must have sanctioned the spending one would assume as there is no other logical conclusion.

As such he is ultimately responsible for our spending position which appears to be not good.

It's still to be seen whether the policy of bringing in a couple of youngsters, checking out one or two unemployed, moaning that the players are no good, using a system of play that the players are not capable of playing and strange team selections will bring us a couple of promotions.

I have a view but we will see!

mellowmiller
18-11-2015, 05:11 PM
Note the comment - there NEEDED to be more thought behind it. Not NEEDS to be more thought behind it.

A clear criticism of Evans

That's basically all Redfearn has done since he arrived and he's beginning to sound a bit pathetic.
Just get on with your bloody job Neil and put some points on the board. Maybe people will start taking you seriously then!

LiverDamage
18-11-2015, 05:23 PM
Budget aside the payments still needed approving and that's where the buck stops
With the Chairman/owner of the club


Look,i'll make it simple,the wife gives you 100 and says make that last for 12 month,but you spend it within a month,thats 11 month without cash,she did'nt have to approve anything she gave it to you as your'e budget.Going for a lie down now.UTM

gwru
18-11-2015, 05:44 PM
Chairman wants us to stop in this league. Need abit of experience in the side but not past there best. Need at least a Right back in for sat' with the legs to get up & down. Central midfield if we don't get anyone in Smallwood with either Frecklington or Thorpe. Think Redfearn needs some help, Black seems a blackboard coach but no drive. There's coach's out there who would get more out of the players.

Amanda_Hugg_n_Kiss
18-11-2015, 05:57 PM
I love this eternal argument. :D :D

I think two promotions has learnt naff all TBH, he'll never change. Plus it's not worked out bad for him has it? The man knows how to get what he wants and I doubt he cares about the messes he's left behind, it's no surprise that TS a man who admits he has a lot to learn about the game fell for a man like Evans.

Gonna try not to post any more on the subject (what's that? 'thank fluck for that' I hear you say) I just hope that things aren't as bad as they look.

Zilzal
18-11-2015, 06:06 PM
Whilst the majority of this MB was fawning and genuflecting for some three years over Steve Evans, three highly sober and highly knowledgeable fans were meeting on a weekly basis in a private strip club called the Snatchorama on Doncaster Gate. We made it a rule to drink only Britvic orange and leave it to the other members to stare open-mouthedd, pop-eyed ale- swilled at the slowly and generously divesting girls whilst we got on with the more serious matter of analysing and deconstructing the horribly inept Mr Evans and his awestruck puppy Tony Stewart.

Within a matter of weeks of their dual stewardship we were forced to conclude that they were making it up as they went along, were running on Evans' infamous luck and were slowly but surely steering the club on to the rocks. As a consequence we each drew up an altogether more thoughtful and watertight plan for the future. Acting under the manager's influence our once beloved chairman also wiped his arse on our blueprint for the pres

howdydoo
18-11-2015, 06:10 PM
Another hilarious thread.

Has anyone looked at the wage bill Leeds had under Redfearn?

Win rate 25%

Evans walked into that club and apart from Chris Wood, it appears to me that most of the starters that played against Huddersfield, the other day were there under Redfearn.

1st home win since March. Enter Mr Evans to manage these players.

One's a coach and one's a football manager.

People can go all day about Evan's signings but the scattergun approach to management is what he did/does. Tony wanted to move on, for whatever reason. That's his prerogative.

I sincerely hope that Redfearns record vs Evan's record since they were appointed improves Saturday but long term, there's only one winner. Not that I'm convinced either will be 'long term' appointments.

Redfearn needs to shut his trap and try and build an infrastructure. Good luck to him but I don't think Tony Stewart has the patience. Might like the blueprint of building a club with homegrown talent and a great

villamiller
18-11-2015, 06:24 PM
I love this eternal argument. :D :D

I think two promotions has learnt naff all TBH, he'll never change. Plus it's not worked out bad for him has it? The man knows how to get what he wants and I doubt he cares about the messes he's left behind, it's no surprise that TS a man who admits he has a lot to learn about the game fell for a man like Evans.

Gonna try not to post any more on the subject (what's that? 'thank fluck for that' I hear you say) I just hope that things aren't as bad as they look.
Amanda my sexy chauffeur ...two promotions and keeping us in the championship says it all I'm afraid ...he did what he said he was going to ...and he will do it at Leeds ...the man is a winner .....but I'm over the fat f..ecker now ....come on NR ..UTM

mmniall
18-11-2015, 06:25 PM
Good reply from howdy. Think this is very true:

''Good luck to him but I don't think Tony Stewart has the patience. Might like the blueprint of building a club with homegrown talent and a great academy but there's no way he'll give anyone the time to implement it.''

We MUST be fair to Redfearn though. He's not done a good job so far but I'm not convinced many would have with this squad. In fact I don't think any of the reasonable potential replacements would have done much better. The best person to resolve this squad was Steve Evans. That's not to say he's the best manager there is, but no one would have sorted his own mess out better than him. By similar logic, I'm pretty confident if Redfearn had had the job since June that his team would have been more competitive than this Evans team (for a start, he may have kept Pringle, Morgan and Arnason and been halfway there). But this is the hand he's got and he does need to get more out of it.