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CleggHall
19-11-2015, 10:28 AM
After over 100 tests, Ian Bell dropped from England cricket team to tour South Africa. And about bloomin time too! Has been a passenger for some time, confidence is shot, flatters to deceive and now time to give Ballance or others a try. Thanks Ian but something was missing sadly.

ClaretTony2014
19-11-2015, 10:30 AM
"now time to give Ballance or others a try"

Ha ha

CleggHall
19-11-2015, 10:47 AM
Buttler lucky to make it too!

domclaret
19-11-2015, 10:50 AM
Just be glad we have been saved from watching Rashid on non turning pitches, his bowling on this tour has been about as poor as a spinner in history bar a one hour spell where Pakistan folded.

When you are constantly out bowled by Ali you need to take a long hard look at yourself

pushpinpussy
19-11-2015, 10:57 AM
id give tom smith a go

tybfc
19-11-2015, 10:58 AM
Perhaps it is time to rest Bell although I rate him. But Ballance? You have to be having a laugh.

And Buttler is a far better keeper than Bairstow so should keep his place every day of the week.

CleggHall
19-11-2015, 11:35 AM
Truth be told, both Buttler and Bairstow are pretty ropey wicketkeepers as any serious student of the game knows.

fatboy47
19-11-2015, 11:38 AM
Bairstow, Ballance and Rashid are quite frankly not of the required quality.

In fact of the Yorkshire side, only Root is an obvious choice.

Yorkshire are currently the favoured county amongst the selectors....a little bit like the period when Lancs had a number of Test players who didn't really warrant inclusion. The likes of Gallian (sp) Schofield and Watkinson spring to mind, amongst others.

ashtonlongsider
19-11-2015, 11:54 AM
I know he has had a lean spell of late but very surprised by his omission.

Quickenthetempo
19-11-2015, 11:58 AM
It is the right time to replace Bell as like Balance before him he was just scratching around for runs and putting more pressure on the team than his runs benefitted. The slip catches he dropped cemented it for me.

Rashid unfortunately is not the required standard and that was in spin friendly conditions.

Glad to see Compton back but slightly unfair to throw him in against the worlds best bowlers instead of an average Pakistan attack to get him in gently.

If we had a genuine spinner Ali would be out the side for me, this pick spinners and WKs on their batting ability doesn't seem to be working. We have enough all rounders in the side to strengthen the batting but it doesn't seem to prevent collapses seen in the 80/90s despite only have 4/5 batters then. The 8 recognised batters should not collapse.

BigChaCha
19-11-2015, 11:59 AM
Why do the Australian players seem to be able to play on a lot longer than the England players?

Mmmm could it be because they do not flog their players as much as we do so the aussie players have longer careers!

In fact the aussies seem to get better in their 30's but ours drop off a cliff!

DavetheVicar
19-11-2015, 12:07 PM
Rashid still a far better spinner than Embrury ever was. He was the poorest ever spinner to get England caps.

Quickenthetempo
19-11-2015, 12:26 PM
Embrury was bit to long ago to remember in detail but didn't he run 3 or 4 batters out once in a test match innings?

The Bedlington Terrier
19-11-2015, 02:13 PM
Bell has been a shadow of his former self recently. We need somehow to find another Root!

mkmel
19-11-2015, 03:05 PM
I think James Taylor has surely earnt himself a regular place in the team

stevie2112
19-11-2015, 03:36 PM
I think Taylor may be the answer to that connundrum Claret13552,he really is a classy player.

nil_desperandum
19-11-2015, 06:20 PM
There are much better keepers in the Counties than both.

Jamb0MackemClaret
19-11-2015, 09:17 PM
But can they bat at 7 or higher in Test cricket like modern keepers, rightly or wrongly, often need to?

"Yorkshire are currently the favoured county amongst the selectors..."

Probably because they're the best team, by some distance. Hardly a mystery.

As for the guy suggesting Tom Smith - he missed last season injured. Lots of armchair selectors on here...

It's a shame for Bell but his time has probably been coming, they gave him a last chance against Pakistan and he didn't do enough. Plunkett is probably unlucky to miss out too, I don't rate Woakes or Jordan as Test class bowlers at this stage in their careers.

Taylor deserves a go but Ballance scored a lot of runs before he suddenly looked a walking wicket so maybe he should get another chance and Compton is an interesting pick given they don't often go back to older players. Can't imagine he's going on tour as cover at his age.

fatboy47
19-11-2015, 10:24 PM
"""Yorkshire are currently the favoured county amongst the selectors..."

Probably because they're the best team, by some distance. Hardly a mystery.""



Thankfully the National rugby, cricket and football teams aren't picked on that basis......maybe Anderson should have been pensioned off years ago given that he played a division lower.

Performance at county level is a pretty poor guide to real ability in the test arena.

The best players around have always been scattered around the counties

nil_desperandum
19-11-2015, 11:11 PM
"But can they bat at 7 or higher in Test cricket like modern keepers, rightly or wrongly, often need to?"
Exactly, but Buttler has batted has like a No. 11 most of the time so does it matter. James Foster for one would have made more runs and could bat at 8 with Moeen Ali promoted to 7.

tybfc
19-11-2015, 11:41 PM
I'm no stumping expert but I'm not sure that there is a better one in England than Buttler.

Bairstow certainly isn't.

Foster isn't.

Perhaps you have to weigh up the value of the stumper / batter.

I would rather have a top class wicket keeper who can bat a bit.

claretspice
20-11-2015, 09:15 AM
Not sure a wicket-keeper needs to bat at 7 if the team has Moeen Ali at 8. Ali's a proper bat, could bat at 7 and free up a specialist wicketkeeper capable of averaging 25-30 to slot in at 8. I like the look of Sam Billings as a keeper, seems to have natural hands.

As for the Yorkshire contingent, the reason they get picked is because the best academy in the country by a distance is churning out the outstanding performers in the county game. One of the tenets of Yorkshire's coaching is to not force "copybook" techniques on players who have a natural style and way of doing things. Unorthodox techniques evoke suspicion in this country, always have done, which is why the likes of Steve Smith and Graeme Smith - to two of the more successful international batsmen of recent years - would never have come through in this country.

Bairstow's had his chances and may prove a notch below international class (although in fairness his chances have rarely come in benign circumstanes - a lo

Bobcloth2
20-11-2015, 09:31 AM
If you want a top class wicket keeper who can bat a bit then you'd look no further than Foster or Read in the county game.
Sadly it's been proved over the years that just being good with the gloves isn't enough for international cricket.

claretspice
20-11-2015, 09:37 AM
Neither could bat enough in the days before we had Ali at number 8 though, which was the problem. They both exposed the tail too much if they were at 7. Prior was a far better bat and converted himself into a very fine keeper. In the meantime Foster and Read, two of the unfortunates in the county game, have become old men.

Quickenthetempo
20-11-2015, 11:26 AM
Prior was good enough to bat at 5 without keeping. That's why he kept Foster and Read out who were excellent glovemen. This team bats way deeper than any test side I have seen and maybe in a way lets the top 5 off the hook. If we had an opening partnership that regularly scored 100+ there would be screams for rebalancing the side from 8 batters.

So to me pick the best gloveman and bat him at 8.

Bobcloth2
20-11-2015, 11:46 AM
That was the point spice. Thanks.

swifty76
20-11-2015, 08:30 PM
Any suggestion that Butler is the best keeper available is frankly laughable, he fits the role we want but thats all...