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welovebooth
09-01-2016, 06:22 PM
Gets rid off succesfull manager for not having a mid table finish yet gives them no money to find it.

Fairy takes in football do happen but for every one that does there is 20 plus that doesn't.

I'm my eyes of we go down this season it is because off ts for not funding and getting rid off managers for been unrealistic.

Deepmidwinter
09-01-2016, 06:24 PM
What?????????

outlaw
09-01-2016, 06:28 PM
OP is either trolling or drunk.

andy_miller72
09-01-2016, 06:30 PM
He's not out of his depth, just not wealthy enough, in football terms to bankroll a club at this level that can compete. Bournemouth a club probably smaller than us have a billionaire owner !

But TS has done more for this club than any chairman in my lifetime and we need to remember that

outlaw
09-01-2016, 06:42 PM
My only gripe with Stewart is the things he says pre-season, especially after winning the playoffs.

He - and Evans - said things like 'mid-table looking up' 'playoffs' 'looking at the Premier League' 'if Evans wants a player he can have whoever he wants'. I have a feeling Stewart thought - after back to back promotions, and playing some fantastic football in League One - that the Championship would be easier than than it was. We never hear about a million pound player anymore, or looking at the playoffs etc. Looks like he's finally accepted we're *bleep*e, but hopefully there are three teams even more *bleep*e.

andy_miller72
09-01-2016, 07:02 PM
He has to show some ambition though, imagine the stick he'd get if he said we're aiming for 4th bottom

Casper64Frank
09-01-2016, 08:00 PM
NO.

BY THE WAY....YOU FORGOT TO PUT ? AFTER YOUR O/P.

Redfern will have known the circumstances when he took the job....end of.

tivoliman415783
09-01-2016, 08:09 PM
TS is the best we can hope for - he has been and is fantastic for the club. we all know the circumstances of the budget etc etc

the mid table and play off talk pre-season was embarrassing then and more so now. I 100% think it was wrong to get rid of SE (although obviously now knowing the full circumstances) but TS is definitely good for the club.

mellowmiller
09-01-2016, 08:41 PM
I'm not sure whether TS is out of his depth or not but he does come out with some rubbish from time to time.
He told us when we were struggling in the early part of this season that Steve Evans would still be our manager even if we were relegated to League 2. Then, a few short weeks later Evans had gone because the two men were looking to go "in different directions." Few people believe this really was the case and there has been much speculation about the real reason for the parting of the ways.
TS has talked about "top half of the table looking up" and has said we have "a competitive budget." Did anyone seriously believe these statements?
He has been the best chairman we've had in my 60 years of supporting the club but seems conspicuous by his absence now we are struggling.
Good leaders take a firm grip of the reins in troubled times and a lot of supporters I talk to would like to have an update from TS on the current situation. He used to appear regularly in the media in better

Pocket rocket
09-01-2016, 09:43 PM
Have we been relegated already I must have missed that.

Lets get TS to walk away we will be so much better off I think.

The season is not done us it wasn't everyone writing us off at this time last year

welovebooth
09-01-2016, 10:20 PM
Yes but it comes down to belief or.
do you think r edfearn has the ability to keep us up or we can sign the players to do it.

Under Evans I always had belief we would stay up

Amanda_Hugg_n_Kiss
09-01-2016, 10:27 PM
Under Evans I always had belief we would go bust.

outlaw
10-01-2016, 12:21 AM
I always thought Fatman would keep us up, I never thought he'd do anything other than that though, no matter how long he was here for. He's management style is quite short term. His scatter gun approach to buying players means he has no long-term plan. It worked in League two and one when we were a big fish, it worked last season to keep us up and it'd probably have worked to keep us up this year. It'd be interesting to see what he'd be like in the Championship with a club with a big budget and a decent chairman, he'd probably do alright.

I see Redfearn as a more longer term strategist. I appreciate he's signed a lot of players and got some loan players since coming... But he took over when the season had already started and we were struggling, he's trying to stop a leak (albeit he's making it worse at the moment). I'm not saying he'll work out, or won't work out, that remains to be seen. But if he's here long enough, I could see him building a structure where we don't sign 30 playe

Rileyev2
10-01-2016, 08:45 AM
TS needs some investment from other people. He obviously can't provide the funds to enable us to have a squad to compete with anyone barring a couple of teams at this level.

When you think less than 2 years on from paying a decent chunk of change for Jordan Bowery and paying him 8 grand a week, just to now see he can leave for nowt, basically because he's *bleep*e. There's no wonder he's not throwing anymore money around.

I was saying months ago we may just have to face the fact we will never be able to compete at this level. accept leagues 1 + 2 as our level and enjoy what we have.

I think it would be unfair and extremely harsh to direct too much criticism at Tony Stewart, he given it the best he can give but unfortunately it's just not enough at this level.

I'm already thinking about the Yorkshire mini league in L1 next season and have been for some time.

I do fully agree with the OP that getting rid of Steve Evans was a mistake, I aired my views on here passionately a

Monkey46
10-01-2016, 09:47 AM
Totally agree Riley. We all knew NR was the cheap option, and you dont get owt for nowt. Bechio may prove to be the exception hopefully lol.

Pocket rocket
10-01-2016, 10:10 AM
[quote="Rileyev2"]TS needs some investment from other people. He obviously can't provide the funds to enable us to have a squad to compete with anyone barring a couple of teams at this level.

When you think less than 2 years on from paying a decent chunk of change for Jordan Bowery and paying him 8 grand a week, just to now see he can leave for nowt, basically because he's *bleep*e. There's no wonder he's not throwing anymore money around.

I was saying months ago we may just have to face the fact we will never be able to compete at this level. accept leagues 1 + 2 as our level and enjoy what we have.

I think it would be unfair and extremely harsh to direct too much criticism at Tony Stewart, he given it the best he can give but unfortunately it's just not enough at this level.

I'm already thinking about the Yorkshire mini league in L1 next season and have been for some time.

I do fully agree with the OP that getting rid of Steve Evans was a mista

Monkey46
10-01-2016, 10:18 AM
Valid point pocket, remains to be seen.

Rileyev2
10-01-2016, 10:21 AM
Until he gets some promotions on his CV he will always be inferior won't he?

Have performances improved/stayed the same or got worse while NR has been here. For me they're worse. We are making more basic mistakes and look easier to beat i.m.o.

It isn't really fair to compare the 2 being honest as SE has been at it much longer but has had success everywhere he's been and has turned Leeds fortunes around, unbeaten in about 7-8 games I think.

I 100% wish SE was still our manager but that's my opinion and I do understand why others think differently.

On NR keeping us up. Not a chance on what I've seen so far and will finish 8-10 points from safety. Again only my opinion and will gladly hold my hands up if he pulls it off and will be over the moon to do so.

andy_miller72
10-01-2016, 11:08 AM
We have a chance of staying up - we are currently out of the bottom 3 but we need to be much harder to beat and be able to grind draws out of tough games to do so. So far this season we've won back to back 3 times with lots of defeats inbetween. We lose far too many and concede far too many. If that continues we go down. If we replicate the points total from the first half of the season we'll get 44 points, I can't see that being enough

Pocket rocket
10-01-2016, 11:44 AM
Until he gets some promotions on his CV he will always be inferior won't he?

Have performances improved/stayed the same or got worse while NR has been here. For me they're worse. We are making more basic mistakes and look easier to beat i.m.o.

It isn't really fair to compare the 2 being honest as SE has been at it much longer but has had success everywhere he's been and has turned Leeds fortunes around, unbeaten in about 7-8 games I think.

I 100% wish SE was still our manager but that's my opinion and I do understand why others think differently.

On NR keeping us up. Not a chance on what I've seen so far and will finish 8-10 points from safety. Again only my opinion and will gladly hold my hands up if he pulls it off and will be over the moon to do so.


Riley you make some good points I'm not sure if NR is up to it but some on here IMO have been at him from day one.

Your right about comparing the 2 managers its unfai

millavanilla
10-01-2016, 11:52 AM
As soon as the going gets tough the leeches are out..they will no doubt be amongst the 3 thousand missing next season if we go down..as for even saying one wrong word about ts beggars belief..

Rileyev2
10-01-2016, 11:54 AM
I agree it would certainly be a massive achievement Pocket.

Hopefully he will do it but even if he does things off the pitch will have to be looked at in terms of budgets etc.

Ericsladkilnhurst
10-01-2016, 12:14 PM
Tony Stewart has bank rolled the club from division 2 to the championship, with 2 promotions & keeping Rotherham United in the championship last season.
Steve Evans a paid employee of Rotherham United came as manager to a struggling team, got the 2 promotions, again did his job to keep us in the championship, but he found the job tough this season,to which he made mistakes in the transfer market,with the likes of Halford, Collins etc, to which he knew he had dropped a bo**ock.
We don't know the circumstances as why Evans left the Millers, one reason doing the rounds was Evans asked for more money for players, after finding his transfer dealings in the summer were below standard.
Could be Tony Stewart said, you have had money for transfers, be it you have signed the wrong players who could take the Millers to a respectable position in the championship, so there is no more funds.

What Tony Stewart needs is someone who can invest in the club, to share the financial burden of overse

andy_miller72
10-01-2016, 12:19 PM
And who in their right mind would invest in us? To compete at this level would take mega bucks with little chance of a return

Rileyev2
10-01-2016, 12:44 PM
Tony Stewart did Andy and we were a far worse proposition back then pal.

Rileyev2
10-01-2016, 12:45 PM
[quote="Ericsladkilnhurst"]Tony Stewart has bank rolled the club from division 2 to the championship, with 2 promotions & keeping Rotherham United in the championship last season.
Steve Evans a paid employee of Rotherham United came as manager to a struggling team, got the 2 promotions, again did his job to keep us in the championship, but he found the job tough this season,to which he made mistakes in the transfer market,with the likes of Halford, Collins etc, to which he knew he had dropped a bo**ock.
We don't know the circumstances as why Evans left the Millers, one reason doing the rounds was Evans asked for more money for players, after finding his transfer dealings in the summer were below standard.
Could be Tony Stewart said, you have had money for transfers, be it you have signed the wrong players who could take the Millers to a respectable position in the championship, so there is no more funds.

What Tony Stewart needs is someone who can invest

Fensmiller
10-01-2016, 01:20 PM
[quote="Rileyev2"]Tony Stewart has bank rolled the club from division 2 to the championship, with 2 promotions & keeping Rotherham United in the championship last season.
Steve Evans a paid employee of Rotherham United came as manager to a struggling team, got the 2 promotions, again did his job to keep us in the championship, but he found the job tough this season,to which he made mistakes in the transfer market,with the likes of Halford, Collins etc, to which he knew he had dropped a bo**ock.
We don't know the circumstances as why Evans left the Millers, one reason doing the rounds was Evans asked for more money for players, after finding his transfer dealings in the summer were below standard.
Could be Tony Stewart said, you have had money for transfers, be it you have signed the wrong players who could take the Millers to a respectable position in the championship, so there is no more funds.

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millavanilla
10-01-2016, 07:57 PM
I still dont get that evans jumped ship..fair enough, could be true, but id like to see some proof before it goes in..i reckon he was sacked..

andy_miller72
10-01-2016, 11:25 PM
But Tony Stewart is a local man, at that point the club couldn't get much lower - he's invested, given us more than we dare dream for.

I just can't see anyone else wanting to come in - we're close to topping attendances and are already over achieving. Personally I wouldn't want anyone else to come in. I trust TS after all he's done, I'd always be wary of these investors with no local connection

mellowmiller
12-01-2016, 03:08 PM
So what made Bournemouth, a similar sized club to ourselves, an attractive proposition to a billionaire when some people on here think no one other than Tony Stewart will be prepared to invest in the Millers?

gramiller1959
12-01-2016, 03:14 PM
Rotherham v Bournemouth ? I know where I would rather have a paddle :)

outlaw
12-01-2016, 03:25 PM
So what made Bournemouth, a similar sized club to ourselves, an attractive proposition to a billionaire when some people on here think no one other than Tony Stewart will be prepared to invest in the Millers?

Maybe he played pin the tail on the football club using a map of England.