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Altobelli
16-10-2016, 12:30 PM
Seems ages since we have had a game with the nonsense on International Football.

Boro and Watford about to start their game, what's the best result for that ? a Watford win to take them away for us or a draw ?

Sheff Wednesday just gone ahead at Huddersfield with a penalty from Forestieri 68 mins.

alfinyalcabo
16-10-2016, 12:44 PM
A draw for me..

Altobelli
16-10-2016, 12:47 PM
Afternoon alf, yes a draw for me also, are we bedded down at home for the winter now alf ?

Altobelli
16-10-2016, 12:54 PM
Full Time: Huddersfield 0 Sheff Wed 1.

Altobelli
16-10-2016, 01:06 PM
The Ref Roger East at Boro has bottled it, Barragan who had already been booked blatantly fouled a Watford player and was only given a talking to, Our game from top to bottom is poorly run.

Altobelli
16-10-2016, 01:09 PM
Stuani gets booked for an identical challenge yet Barragan didn't ? What a Mess.

Altobelli
16-10-2016, 01:18 PM
Half Time in this farce controlled by East, Boro 0 Watford 0.

Altobelli
16-10-2016, 01:41 PM
Boro 0 Watford 1, Cholevas 54 mins.

Altobelli
16-10-2016, 01:56 PM
Cholevas' strike.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnTn4dAafZc

alfinyalcabo
16-10-2016, 02:11 PM
Hope Watford win,don't have much time for Boro...

Altobelli
16-10-2016, 02:15 PM
Southampton

1Forster
15Martina
6Fonte
17van Dijk
33Targett
14Romeu
4Clasie
8Davis
11Tadic
10Austin
22Redmond

Substitutes
3Yoshida
7Long
9Rodriguez
13McCarthy
16Ward-Prowse
23H°jbjerg
38McQueen



Burnley

1Heaton
2Lowton
5Keane
6Mee
23Ward
25Berg Gudmundsson
13Hendrick
8Marney
16Defour
21Boyd
9Vokes

Substitutes
4Flanagan
11Kightly
15Bamford
17Robinson
26Tarkowski
37Arfield
41O'Neill


Referee: That schizo Mike Dean

Altobelli
16-10-2016, 02:17 PM
Looks like one up top again in the hope of scoring rather than going for it :zzz:

Altobelli
16-10-2016, 02:17 PM
Hope Watford win,don't have much time for Boro...

Nor do I alf, 6 minutes injury time for Watford to mess up.

Altobelli
16-10-2016, 02:23 PM
All over, Boro 0 Watford 1.

Get the Clarets on.......

Altobelli
16-10-2016, 02:38 PM
http://img1.imagehousing.com/0/kjhgfdsdfgh-423160.jpg (http://www.imagehousing.com/image/kjhgfdsdfgh/1281263)

Altobelli
16-10-2016, 02:51 PM
Its nearly K.O. time.

http://i58.tinypic.com/2zfikag.jpg

alfinyalcabo
16-10-2016, 02:56 PM
Let's hope we can do a bit more attacking today..

Altobelli
16-10-2016, 02:58 PM
Another one of these from Steven would be nice alf.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHU2-nCQYII

Altobelli
16-10-2016, 03:01 PM
Free kick BFC comes to nowt as both Keane and Mee up for it.

Altobelli
16-10-2016, 03:05 PM
Brilliant save by Heaton from Austin, well done Tom, corner Saints which comes to nothing.

alfinyalcabo
16-10-2016, 03:06 PM
What a fantastic save from Tom...

Altobelli
16-10-2016, 03:09 PM
All hands to the pumps for the first 8 minutes....

alfinyalcabo
16-10-2016, 03:11 PM
Come on Burnley . Get into them..

Altobelli
16-10-2016, 03:14 PM
Saints sub their second choice left back Targett with a hamstring.

Altobelli
16-10-2016, 03:19 PM
Burnley looking like they have stemmed the flow of Saints pressure at the moment alf.

alfinyalcabo
16-10-2016, 03:25 PM
Giving them to much room again now Alto..

Altobelli
16-10-2016, 03:26 PM
That Van Dijk looks a bleeding Giant.

Altobelli
16-10-2016, 03:30 PM
Need to start testing their keeper Forster as I don't rate him alf.

D4 booked by the Schizo.

alfinyalcabo
16-10-2016, 03:31 PM
Another good save from Tom..

Altobelli
16-10-2016, 03:31 PM
Tadic should have scored for Southampton but Heaton blocked, don't want too many of those now as our luck will run out.

Norder
16-10-2016, 03:32 PM
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frustrate them...they will collapse ;)

Altobelli
16-10-2016, 03:34 PM
The Icemans plea for a pen gets nothing when he was fouled, on the clearance Austin makes a mess of a shot.

alfinyalcabo
16-10-2016, 03:34 PM
Strong claim for a penalty then perhaps

Norder
16-10-2016, 03:35 PM
could easy been a Pen.

Altobelli
16-10-2016, 03:35 PM
Afternoon Norder, Austin looks fired up for this as he's fighting for everything.

Altobelli
16-10-2016, 03:37 PM
It should have been a Penalty, we all know that, Heaton keeps em out again, come on Press em !

Norder
16-10-2016, 03:37 PM
Afternoon Norder, Austin looks fired up for this as he's fighting for everything.

hello alto -alfin etc ;)

Austin....who's he ?

;)

Altobelli
16-10-2016, 03:39 PM
Free kick BFC after Boyd is fouled, 2 centre half's up again.......... comes to nothing, on the counter D4 feels his hamstring and is down.

Altobelli
16-10-2016, 03:40 PM
D4 off for O'Neil FFS !

alfinyalcabo
16-10-2016, 03:41 PM
D4 off with a hamstring ,Aiden o Neill on

Norder
16-10-2016, 03:41 PM
Free kick BFC after Boyd is fouled, 2 centre half's up again.......... comes to nothing, on the counter D4 feels his hamstring and is down.

box full of us and we went backwards....Forward Men.

Altobelli
16-10-2016, 03:42 PM
He's going to be a big miss, lets hope O'Neil covers himself in glory.

alfinyalcabo
16-10-2016, 03:44 PM
Hello Norder..

Altobelli
16-10-2016, 03:45 PM
4 minutes injury time, not another Leicester surely ?

alfinyalcabo
16-10-2016, 03:46 PM
Needless corner to give away..got away with it then

alfinyalcabo
16-10-2016, 03:46 PM
Come on Burnley,keep them out

Altobelli
16-10-2016, 03:49 PM
Its raining a bit.

Altobelli
16-10-2016, 03:49 PM
Half Time: Southampton 0 Burnley 0

alfinyalcabo
16-10-2016, 03:50 PM
0-0 half time..well played Tom Heaton

alfinyalcabo
16-10-2016, 03:51 PM
Heatone save on a par with the Gordon Banks save in World Cup.:D

Norder
16-10-2016, 03:53 PM
Hello Norder..

;D


4 minutes injury time, not another Leicester surely ?


commentator when 4mins extra..."plenty of time for southhampton to get one"....wtf.


0-0...the saints didn't expect that I bet.

:)

Altobelli
16-10-2016, 03:56 PM
Aye half the job done, hopefully we can keep em out.

Yes Norder I noticed that also, is the commentator the one who supports Liverpool, it sounds like him although I forget his name.

I don't think anything can equal that Gordon Banks save alf, but that one surely comes close.

Altobelli
16-10-2016, 04:01 PM
Come on Burnley we need one of these......


http://i58.tinypic.com/adztxv.jpg

Altobelli
16-10-2016, 04:05 PM
No changes and we are off.

Altobelli
16-10-2016, 04:08 PM
Lowton needlessly giving the ball away again, simple ball Burnley don't invite them at you.

Altobelli
16-10-2016, 04:10 PM
Corner BFC...... . .. . 2 Clarets getting in each others way. Lowton again making a mistake.

Altobelli
16-10-2016, 04:11 PM
Burnley have their backs against the wall again and score.

Southampton 1 Burnley 0, Austin 52 mins

Altobelli
16-10-2016, 04:12 PM
Get Bamford on Mr Dyche to show what he can do and give us a chance.

Norder
16-10-2016, 04:14 PM
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plenty of time...;D

Altobelli
16-10-2016, 04:17 PM
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plenty of time...;D

That's what I'm worried about, we need change now, not in the last 5 or 10 minutes as we don't look like scoring and never have in this game.

Altobelli
16-10-2016, 04:19 PM
Too Phuckin late !

Southampton 2 Burnley 0.

Norder
16-10-2016, 04:21 PM
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nothing wrong with that goal

without our attack ....where does it go.

Altobelli
16-10-2016, 04:25 PM
Penalty Saints......... . Austin to take.......... and score.

Southampton 3 Burnley 0.

Altobelli
16-10-2016, 04:27 PM
Marney booked for a late challenge, almost as late as a Dyche change.

alfinyalcabo
16-10-2016, 04:29 PM
Well that's it... Just a matter of how many we ship in.. A gutless second half performance ..

Altobelli
16-10-2016, 04:29 PM
Kite on for the Iceman.

Too little too late Mr Dyche.

Altobelli
16-10-2016, 04:32 PM
Corner for BFC...... goes for another corner, Penalty Burnley for shirt pulling or a push, Tadic the culprit.

http://i45.tinypic.com/255kfme.jpg

Southampton 3 Burnley 1, Vokes 72 mins

alfinyalcabo
16-10-2016, 04:32 PM
Get in ..Vokesy penalty

Norder
16-10-2016, 04:34 PM
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and first pen we didn't get.

Cmon Burnley...onemore they get the fear.

Altobelli
16-10-2016, 04:36 PM
Another chance for Dyche to put Bamford on.

Norder
16-10-2016, 04:39 PM
Another chance for Dyche to put Bamford on.

nothing to lose ;D

Altobelli
16-10-2016, 04:40 PM
Chat, Chat, Chat, Chat, Chat, Get it done man.

Yes Bamford on for Boyd, about F time.

Norder
16-10-2016, 04:54 PM
Hesitant - loose balls - intercepted balls....thought we'd moved on ?

cup of tea no cake.


later guys ;)

Altobelli
16-10-2016, 04:56 PM
Full Time: Southampton 3 Burnley 1

Two things stand out for me watching this game.

(1) Lowton needs to be replaced.

(2) Dyche needs to show more intent on attack rather than rely on his defence which obviously is not good enough.

alfinyalcabo
16-10-2016, 05:00 PM
This stands out for me

Saints 36 attempts on goal Clarets 5 attempts....not good enough against a mid table side ..

alfinyalcabo
16-10-2016, 05:01 PM
Time for a cider or three ..Adios todos

army88
16-10-2016, 05:04 PM
Full Time: Southampton 3 Burnley 1

Two things stand out for me watching this game.

(1) Lowton needs to be replaced.

(2) Dyche needs to show more intent on attack rather than rely on his defence which obviously is not good enough.

Pretty much accurate Alto , it just showed how devoid of pace we are ( we knew that anyway )

Difficult for Dyche because he simply doesn't have the quality although as I've posted before he really needs to find a different way of playing ---- I believe Bamford could be a good player but he won't impress with no support and poor service.
Defensively we were very poor.

alfinyalcabo
16-10-2016, 05:19 PM
One man up front speaks volumes for me.. Just shows the lack of depth we have..or the inability to be brave enough to try attacking a team

Ian_Branfoot
16-10-2016, 05:50 PM
Saints 36 attempts on goal Clarets 5 attempts....not good enough against a mid table side ..

Southampton came 6th last season (and 7th & 8th in the two seasons before), to view them as merely a mid table side is a mistake.

There is a vast gulf in quality between the two squads and not a single Burnley player would make a combined Southampton/Burnley best XI team.

alfinyalcabo
16-10-2016, 07:19 PM
Southampton came 6th last season (and 7th & 8th in the two seasons before), to view them as merely a mid table side is a mistake.

There is a vast gulf in quality between the two squads and not a single Burnley player would make a combined Southampton/Burnley best XI team.

In that case it wouldn't be a combined side.. :?

Ian_Branfoot
16-10-2016, 07:40 PM
In that case it wouldn't be a combined side.. :?

The commonly used concept of a combined best XI side between two clubs is you pick the best 11 players. If those 11 players all come from Southampton it is still a combined side but it is based on quality of player so Burnley would be lacking representation.

alfinyalcabo
16-10-2016, 07:44 PM
The commonly used concept of a combined best XI side between two clubs is you pick the best 11 players. If those 11 players all come from Southampton it is still a combined side but it is based on quality of player so Burnley would be lacking representation.

It would never happen though because Tom Heaton would be the first player in the combined team so you are wrong with your assumption Ian

Ian_Branfoot
16-10-2016, 07:51 PM
It would never happen though because Tom Heaton would be the first player in the combined team so you are wrong with your assumption Ian

I'm happy to agree Heaton is a good player, but I think anyone would struggle to make a case that he is a better player than Fraser Forster. Forster is younger than Heaton, but yet has significantly more experience performing at a higher level in a stronger team.

You have let your Burnley bias and claret tinted glasses cloud your judgement.

Altobelli
16-10-2016, 08:14 PM
I'm happy to agree Heaton is a good player, but I think anyone would struggle to make a case that he is a better player than Fraser Forster. Forster is younger than Heaton, but yet has significantly more experience performing at a higher level in a stronger team.

You have let your Burnley bias and claret tinted glasses cloud your judgement.

I am all for difference of opinions regardless of how off the wall some may be, yours Ian are not off the wall at all, but I had actually commented on this thread during the game that we should at least test Forster as I personally did not think he was as good as some say he is, regardless of the magnificent save (Banks like, some are saying) Heaton made today I still feel and have for a while that Forster IMO is over rated, Forster had nothing to do today, Heaton played well and I'm sure you'd agree playing well gets you into a combined best XI rather than being a mere statue which has nothing to do with Claret tinted glass'.

alfinyalcabo
16-10-2016, 08:47 PM
I'm happy to agree Heaton is a good player, but I think anyone would struggle to make a case that he is a better player than Fraser Forster. Forster is younger than Heaton, but yet has significantly more experience performing at a higher level in a stronger team.

You have let your Burnley bias and claret tinted glasses cloud your judgement.

That's where you are wrong ,although I'm a claret through and through I don't wear claret tinted glasses..If we are Schite I say so.. Therefore I stand by my opinion that Heaton is a better goalkeeper than Forster..I think it is you who wears the tinted glasses..

The Bedlington Terrier
16-10-2016, 08:53 PM
Heaton, Mee and Keane would walk into the Saints team.

Ian_Branfoot
16-10-2016, 09:24 PM
Heaton, Mee and Keane would walk into the Saints team.

I hope for your own sake you are joking! I agree those are three of your better players, but none of those three would displace Forster, van Dijk and Fonte from the Southampton team. I struggle to see how you can justify Heaton, Mee and Keane have proved to be better than three well established top Premier League players and internationals who played a key role in a 6th place finish last season.

Out of interest, why do you think Southampton have had one of the best defensive records in the Premier League for the last 3 years? They didn't fluke finishing 8th, 7th and 6th in the last three seasons.

Ian_Branfoot
16-10-2016, 09:33 PM
I am all for difference of opinions regardless of how off the wall some may be, yours Ian are not off the wall at all, but I had actually commented on this thread during the game that we should at least test Forster as I personally did not think he was as good as some say he is, regardless of the magnificent save (Banks like, some are saying) Heaton made today I still feel and have for a while that Forster IMO is over rated, Forster had nothing to do today, Heaton played well and I'm sure you'd agree playing well gets you into a combined best XI rather than being a mere statue which has nothing to do with Claret tinted glass'.


That's where you are wrong ,although I'm a claret through and through I don't wear claret tinted glasses..If we are Schite I say so.. Therefore I stand by my opinion that Heaton is a better goalkeeper than Forster..I think it is you who wears the tinted glasses..

Heaton is older than Forster and hasn't got close to playing at the level Forster has played at as a keeper for a top 6 Premier League team, Champions League, Europa League and international pecking order.

I think anyone would have a very difficult task making a case that Heaton has proven himself to be better than Forster in recent years.

Don't take this as me completely dismissing Heaton, I do think he is a good keeper but he hasn't got anywhere near the track record at a level as high as Forster has been playing at.

There is a good reason why the 30 year old Heaton is playing for a relegation threatened team and Forster is at a side that has been one of the best defensively for the last few years in the Premier League and finsihed 6th last season... and that reason is Forster is better.

Bullard032
16-10-2016, 09:37 PM
Such a redundant argument, too many variables in place to say one player is better than the other. One persons reasoning for saying Forster is better than Heaton could be reversed when comparing Fonte and Keane. I have my opinion, but I know it differs amongst most of the posters on here haha. If I were picking a team out of a combined squad, it would have Keane in the starting line up. But there are some debatebale positions, midfield, Hendricks and Davis are similar players, Defour was a Southampton target at one point, Heaton and Forster are on a similar level, proven by their involvement in the same England squad.

Ian_Branfoot
16-10-2016, 09:46 PM
Such a redundant argument, too many variables in place to say one player is better than the other. One persons reasoning for saying Forster is better than Heaton could be reversed when comparing Fonte and Keane. I have my opinion, but I know it differs amongst most of the posters on here haha.

Heaton has signicantly less experience in the Premier League, Champions League, Europa League and international level. Forster has performed well in all and for a top 6 Premier League team. For Heaton to be considered "better" shouldn't he by the age of 30 have played well at a higher level than a relegation threatened Burnley side?


If I were picking a team out of a combined squad, it would have Keane in the starting line up.

I agree that Keane looks a promising player. But you are vastly underestimating just how good Fonte and van Dijk are. Both are established internationals for Holland and Portugal. They also played a key role in a 6th placed finish last season. Keane has a lot to prove before he is considered at a similar level.


Hendricks and Davis are similar players

Steven Davis is a regular for a team that in the last 3 seasons in the Premier League came 8th, 7th and 6th. Hendricks hasn't played at remotely close to that level. So on what do you base them being at a "similar level"?


Defour was a Southampton target at one point

Do you have any good evidence for that apart from a random tabloid rumour? Southampton had no need for him in their squad with their central midfield options.


Heaton and Forster are on a similar level, proven by their involvement in the same England squad.

Bizarre and flawed logic to that, Forster is clearly above Heaton in the England pecking order. Heaton wouldn't have even been in the squad if Butland was fit.

England pecking order is...

Hart
Forster
Butland
Heaton

Bullard032
16-10-2016, 10:07 PM
Wow. I am guessing you are a Southampton fan. You seem quite obsessed with position of the team, and how that justifies the individual talent of a player. There is little to no evidence of an England pecking order as Hart plays pretty much every game. Heaton has been in the squad consistently for a while. You seem to have difficulty discerning fact from opinion. Davis and Hendricks for example, both involved in similar situations internationally this summer, both had strong performances in average squads. That happened this summer. What happened three seasons ago when Southampton finished 8th is irrelevant when it comes to a players current talent. For instance, goalkeepers tend to peak in their late twenties/thirties. Centre backs tend to decline. Keane and Heaton have been approached by teams that have finished on average much higher than Southampton in the last three years, if they are good enough for them, why not The Saints? The Defour link, I can't say too much about, but there was more than one article, we know because we were in each of them as well. Who knows what really went on though, can only go off the evidence that is out there. Could you categorically say they weren't touting him? But as I said earlier, there a lot of variables, Southampton simply having the better does not discount individual talent.

Altobelli
16-10-2016, 10:14 PM
I hope for your own sake you are joking! I agree those are three of your better players, but none of those three would displace Forster, van Dijk and Fonte from the Southampton team. I struggle to see how you can justify Heaton, Mee and Keane have proved to be better than three well established top Premier League players and internationals who played a key role in a 6th place finish last season.

Out of interest, why do you think Southampton have had one of the best defensive records in the Premier League for the last 3 years? They didn't fluke finishing 8th, 7th and 6th in the last three seasons.

I think his first line of "I agree those are three of your better players" gives us a clue, plus Ian Branfoot used to be a Southampton Manager in the 90's.

Bullard032
16-10-2016, 10:22 PM
Yeah, I was still in single digits when he was managing Southampton, but thanks clarifying!

thedonz
16-10-2016, 10:23 PM
I don't think today is the right day as a Burnley fan to be comparing Burnley players with Southampton players such was the one sided nature of the game.

I will wait until Burnley beat Southampton at the Turf like we did the last time the 2 teams met there in the Premier League.

Altobelli
16-10-2016, 10:32 PM
Yeah, I was still in single digits when he was managing Southampton, but thanks clarifying!

Ohhh bloody hell, now you have me going to bed being jealous of your age http://i63.tinypic.com/2eoadzb.jpg

Ian_Branfoot
16-10-2016, 10:35 PM
Wow. I am guessing you are a Southampton fan. You seem quite obsessed with position of the team, and how that justifies the individual talent of a player.

Of course it is not the be all and end all but I don't see why you think it is unreasonable to suggest that in order to get into a team that finished 8th, 7th and 6th in the least 3 Premier League seasons it takes a higher quality of player than one that struggle in the Premier League and last seaosn was promoted from the Championship.


There is little to no evidence of an England pecking order as Hart plays pretty much every game. Heaton has been in the squad consistently for a while. You seem to have difficulty discerning fact from opinion.

The number of caps and situation the caps came about, plus the allocation of squad numbers in tournaments is a good indication of a pecking order.

When Hart, Forster and Butland are all fit do you really think Heaton will make the squad? Remember, not what you'd like to happen but what any England manager will make happen. And don't merely pass it off as England manager picking on little old Burnley, as Stoke and Southampton are hardly one of the elite.


Davis and Hendricks for example, both involved in similar situations internationally this summer, both had strong performances in average squads. That happened this summer.

Hendrick has played 6 (SIX) Premier League games in his entire career! To compare him to Steven Davis is quite frankly laughable!

Steven Davis is a 1st choice player for one of the best Premier League teams in the country last season. He has vastly more experience that Hendrick at Premier League, Champions League, Europa League and international level.


What happened three seasons ago when Southampton finished 8th is irrelevant when it comes to a players current talent. For instance, goalkeepers tend to peak in their late twenties/thirties. Centre backs tend to decline.

I didn't only mention 3 seasons ago. In the following two years they came 7th and 6th. It isn't a fluke season, Southampton are of the level of one of the best sides in England and have maintained that and there is a good chance of a similar finish this season. They won't be doing that with players that are interchangeable with Burnley's squad.


Keane and Heaton have been approached by teams that have finished on average much higher than Southampton in the last three years, if they are good enough for them, why not The Saints?

Which clubs? And what exactly is the point you are trying to make with this?


The Defour link, I can't say too much about, but there was more than one article, we know because we were in each of them as well. Who knows what really went on though, can only go off the evidence that is out there. Could you categorically say they weren't touting him?

Are you trying to suggest Burnley are competing for similar players to Southampton and are able to beat them to their signature? Southampton can blow Burnley out of the water for transfers and wages, but instead they are shopping for a different level of player. Burnley are merely looking for survival, Southampton are looking for another European finish for the 3rd season in a row.

Altobelli
16-10-2016, 10:40 PM
Jesus wept, this Saint surely has a hard on for you Bullard, get at him lad as I'm far too old for this and going to bed, Tek Care B)

alfinyalcabo
16-10-2016, 10:43 PM
Jesus wept, this Saint surely has a hard on for you Bullard, get at him lad as I'm far too old for this and going to bed, Tek Care B)

He's definitely a bellend...

Bullard032
16-10-2016, 11:23 PM
Which clubs? And what exactly is the point you are trying to make with this?

The PL champions made multiple bids for Keane and Chelsea are heavily linked. Heaton was a primary target for Everton before they opted for a cheaper alternative in Stekelenburg. The guy who was Southamptons number one for a large part of their 6th place finish last season. Your opinions seem fixated on the past rather than the present and whilst I agree that experience is important it is not the over-riding factor as to whether a player is at a similar level to another or not. Dele Alli is a perfect example. League one playoff team to England international. What about Vardy? Smalling? There are plenty of examples of players playing a large part of their careers in lower leagues and competing in the PL, hell, Southampton have had more than any. Lallana, Schneiderlin, Fonte. They were all at Southampton in league one, right? I am sure you would have had a similar opinion to ours the season you got promoted to the PL.

Ian_Branfoot
17-10-2016, 11:28 AM
The PL champions made multiple bids for Keane

Have you forgotten what you said? I was replying to a post where you claimed...


approached by teams that have finished on average much higher than Southampton in the last three years

REALITY

Average position in English football in the last 3 seasons...

Southampton = 7th
Leicester = 12th
Burnley = 20th


Heaton was a primary target for Everton before they opted for a cheaper alternative in Stekelenburg. The guy who was Southamptons number one for a large part of their 6th place finish last season.

Why have you mentioned Stekelenburg? He was a temporary keeper for us whilst Forster was injured, as soon as Forster returned in January he played.

2015/16
First 19 PL games with Stekelenburg in goal... 24 points
Last 19 PL games with Forster in goal.... 39 points (that is PL title winning form!)

Fraser Forster returning made a huge difference to our season having missed the 1st half of the season with a knee injury. Amazing really you are so dismissive about him.

Forster is a key member of one of statistically the best defensive units in the PL over the last 2 two seasons. Burneley look a shambles defensively as they are far too easy to cut open and ut of their depth quality wise against top 6 PL sides like Southampton.


Your opinions seem fixated on the past rather than the present and whilst I agree that experience is important it is not the over-riding factor as to whether a player is at a similar level to another or not. Dele Alli is a perfect example. League one playoff team to England international. What about Vardy? Smalling? There are plenty of examples of players playing a large part of their careers in lower leagues and competing in the PL, hell, Southampton have had more than any. Lallana, Schneiderlin, Fonte. They were all at Southampton in league one, right? I am sure you would have had a similar opinion to ours the season you got promoted to the PL.

Burnley fans have been claiming Hendrick is on a similar level to Davis, but he has played 6 PL games in his career so they have extremely little evidence to base such an opinion on. You've all barely seen him play for a large enough sample of games, let alone at PL level.

Do you not agree in the last 3 seasons Southampton have been among the best teams in the Premier League? We didn't fluke that, regular starters like Forster, van Dijk, Fonte and Davis who Burnley fans have dismissed are significantly more proven at top PL level than Heaton, Mee and Keane.

onechop82
17-10-2016, 01:12 PM
Lol ian you say no burnley player could walk into your team yet you have two in your team now!!! how about austin and Rodriguez to start with how about redmond who came from a CHAMPIONSHIP club. Its how you play aswell as having a great team. Yes you are a good team which i wont deny but to say no player is fit for the saints team is deluded at best. We played **** yesterday and got beat easy but one thing you have to admit is it was out of character for us to get turned over so easy. We made it hard for ourselves and we got pumped.

outwoodclaret
17-10-2016, 01:28 PM
I think it would be fair to say Ian and I have read the posts on all the threads on this site that it is generally accepted that we were on the day comprehensively beaten by Southampton. I would not class us as delusional. We are well aware that there are far bigger clubs in the Championship than we are Newcastle Aston Villa and Wolves to name but three. We don't pretend to be able to compete with the wage structure of other Premier League clubs. We have despite being a small town achieved three promotions to the Premier League in 7 years. Last but not least this is after all a Burnley site and as you would expect Clarets fans stick by their players and are proud of their achievements. I remember when Jay Rodriguez first joined Southampton we had Saints supporters coming on Burnley pages and slagging him off. Wishing Southampton well for the rest of the season except for your return visit to the Turf when I hope you get tonked.

outwoodclaret
14-01-2017, 06:10 PM
Any of our team worthy of a place now Ian?

The Bedlington Terrier
14-01-2017, 06:48 PM
Not been privy to all of this toing and froing bollox because I was at the game.

I saw a Rolls Royce playing at centre half for the Saints, van Dijk really is totally top notch, other than that it looked like two better than decent Premier League outfits having a really good game of football.

Barton found away to win it and Heaton made sure we took the points.

Not falling out with anyone tonight after another marvellous result but if anybody tells me there is a better English goalkeeper playing in the Premier League than Tom Heaton, I am just not having it!

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alfinyalcabo
14-01-2017, 07:02 PM
I still stand by my statement that Ian Branfoot is a complete Bellend..

outwoodclaret
14-01-2017, 09:11 PM
I still stand by my statement that Ian Branfoot is a complete Bellend..

Alf. I just want to give Ian an opportunity if he sees this thread to acknowledge that today the Saints were beaten by a team of players not one of whom was fit to be in his joint eleven.

army88
14-01-2017, 09:26 PM
Not been privy to all of this toing and froing bollox because I was at the game.

I saw a Rolls Royce playing at centre half for the Saints, van Dijk really is totally top notch, other than that it looked like two better than decent Premier League outfits having a really good game of football.

Barton found away to win it and Heaton made sure we took the points.

Not falling out with anyone tonight after another marvellous result but if anybody tells me there is a better English goalkeeper playing in the Premier League than Tom Heaton, I am just not having it!

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Tec , your right Van Dijk was a cut above but if I had to pick a man from them it was Romeu, very very good player read everything intercepted passes tackled and his use of the ball was also very good, best man on the park for them.( went about his business- no frills just got the job done)

alfinyalcabo
14-01-2017, 09:31 PM
Alf. I just want to give Ian an opportunity if he sees this thread to acknowledge that today the Saints were beaten by a team of players not one of whom was fit to be in his joint eleven.

He won't come anywhere near the board Outwood.. Lol