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Nardendee
29-03-2018, 08:36 PM
What is this? When was this? What is the relevance of this?

mikemiller
29-03-2018, 08:53 PM
Millmoor, a long time ago

Pattylallacks2
29-03-2018, 09:02 PM
Can make out the Tivoli so it is after 1913.Can also see the building next door which had several uses including a sweet shop and a school of dance and elocution.

Nardendee
29-03-2018, 09:03 PM
Would you care to hazard a guess how long ago Mike?

Pattylallacks2
29-03-2018, 09:12 PM
It was built in 1907. I would hazard a guess at 1925 when Rotherham County, who previously had the ground merged with Rotherham Town to become Rotherham United

mikemiller
29-03-2018, 09:19 PM
It was built in 1907. I would hazard a guess at 1925 when Rotherham County, who previously had the ground merged with Rotherham Town to become Rotherham United

Could be.... or first Rotherham County game in Division 2 on 30/08/1919.

sickly_child
29-03-2018, 09:23 PM
Can make out the Tivoli so it is after 1913.Can also see the building next door which had several uses including a sweet shop and a school of dance and elocution.

School of elocution? blimey.

Pattylallacks2
29-03-2018, 09:25 PM
Cor blimey even

Nardendee
29-03-2018, 10:01 PM
I understand (or the information I was provided with) says 1933.

The relevance of this is a personal one. It was the year my Dad went to his first game and has been following them ever since. Nearly 95 he is.

Pattylallacks2
29-03-2018, 10:07 PM
Certainly wouldn't argue with that

mikemiller
29-03-2018, 10:17 PM
85 years as a Miller - that's an amazing achievement!

Grist_To_The_Mill
29-03-2018, 10:24 PM
It’s Ken Booth’s contingency plan for Millmoor if the price of scrap metal went over 10p per ton.

sota
29-03-2018, 10:26 PM
I understand (or the information I was provided with) says 1933.

The relevance of this is a personal one. It was the year my Dad went to his first game and has been following them ever since. Nearly 95 he is.

That's just brilliant, he's certainly seen some changes over the years since then. What on Earth must he make of the NYS? I often wonder what my Dad would think of it all, no doubt he'd be flabbergasted.

Pattylallacks2
29-03-2018, 10:50 PM
Other interesting thing to note from the photo is that the Millmoor Lane stand remained in place until the bitter end, I remember reading somewhere that the design was quite revolutionary at the time it was built. The main stand remained in place well into the modern era too, merely having he cantilever stand built round it. Masbrough Street Chapel and the Millmoor Hotel are also visible in the photo.

Nardendee
30-03-2018, 12:36 AM
Thank you all for your comments.

When he was a lad he lived at Holmes but his parents house took a direct hit in the blitz and he told me the story of him having to wheel their wordly possessions down to Fitzwilliam Road. Quite incredible really. Him and mum got married on 23rd June 1945 at All Saints Church in Rotherham so they will celebrate 73 years marriage this year. Dad will be 95 years young in October & Mum will be 91 in a couple of weeks.

He recalls his favourite players as Jimmy Rudd & Gladstone Guest. The games he talks about most are the games in the fifties where he went to many of them including quite a lot away. Games at Newcastle who were the Cup Holders at the time where we put them out 3-1. Winning 7-2 at Darlington and went on a coach with the registration GET 7.

He also recalls another visit to Darlington and can home thinking we had lost 1-0 but we had drawn 1-1

Of course he was at Port Vale when Norman Noble ....well you know and shortly after he went to watch Birmingham at Doncaster. Birmingham had to win to keep us down & for them to go up with Luton. Donny led 1-0 at half time, but I didn’t need to read history books. From his own mouth he said “ Donny dint try apeth in second half & Birmingham got 4 goals without reply.

He recounts his best ever game was in the old 3rd Division North where, going into the last home game, we had won EVERY home game but we played Carlisle in torrential rain. It finished 3-3 and he said it was a fantastic end to end game.

So really I never was ever going to support anyone else was I ? Born & bred in Thorpe Hesley in the house that Mum and Dad moved to when they got married, and, incredibly, where they still live today.

So for me it has always been more than a game. It was our life. Great memories that can never be taken away. Not all good memories but you have to go through the bad times to enjoy the good. Fair weather fans certainly wouldn’t choose to follow us.

Although we don’t get there now we kick every ball, churning stomachs and all. Great when we’ve won, gutted when we lose.

Met some great people along the way. Win lose or draw there was always the next game. I guess we’ve had slightly more downs than ups but the ups have been brilliant.

Thank you for listening and best wishes to every Millers fans around the world.
You can take the boy out of Rotherham but you can’t take Rotherham out of the boy.

CAMiller
30-03-2018, 06:08 AM
This thread and that story make MM totally worthwhile.

monty_rhodes
30-03-2018, 06:19 AM
I have a framed print of RUFC results that season and the last home game, a 3:3 draw was against Rochdale not Carlisle. Like your dad my dad rated that game as one of his favourites.

Pattylallacks2
30-03-2018, 07:09 AM
Very strange that. My Dad is 96 this year and has been a Millers fan since being stationed in Rotherham during the War. He still recalls that last match of the season in torrential rain as the best ever. But here is the spooky bit - he always recalls it as being against Carlisle!

CTMilller
30-03-2018, 07:25 AM
You've put some great stuff up on here in the last few days, Nardendee. This is another's excellent one...

Is a taped verbal recollection of his memories too late - or perhaps you've done it already? The club (and the town for that matter) would be well served to preserve some of these early recollections before it's too late...

jocksgloves
30-03-2018, 07:26 AM
Hi, can someone please make the photo easier to see for us numpties. On an i-pad, and tapping the saftey pin shape is not doing anything.

Pattylallacks2
30-03-2018, 07:29 AM
One of my Dad's favourite stories is about standing drenched throughout the torrential rain of that match and then walking home. As he stepped over the threshold my Mum asked him to nip to the corner shop for some bread. Dad said "You must be joking, it's chucking it down".
You can imagine the Mater's response.

millavanilla
30-03-2018, 07:52 AM
One of my Dad's favourite stories is about standing drenched throughout the torrential rain of that match and then walking home. As he stepped over the threshold my Mum asked him to nip to the corner shop for some bread. Dad said "You must be joking, it's chucking it down".
You can imagine the Mater's response.

Naw, but tha can go to' match in it cant tha... ha

monty_rhodes
30-03-2018, 07:52 AM
One of my Dad's favourite stories is about standing drenched throughout the torrential rain of that match and then walking home. As he stepped over the threshold my Mum asked him to nip to the corner shop for some bread. Dad said "You must be joking, it's chucking it down".
You can imagine the Mater's response.

What's a corner shop, Patty?:)

millertop
30-03-2018, 08:44 AM
I thought it might be 1933 (Iíve got books)

Good thread , I bet your Dad has told you loads of stories about Millmoor

Iím on I pad and can see the pic Jocks

monty_rhodes
30-03-2018, 08:44 AM
Easy to misremember after so many years but that season we beat Carlisle 4:0 on 27 March 1947. Great days to be a Miller.

jocksgloves
30-03-2018, 09:34 AM
My dad always sites the Carlisle game as his most memorable. Torrential rain, he remembers it as 3-0. Think we finished second to Donny. Only one team went up in those days.

jocksgloves
30-03-2018, 09:35 AM
What do i do to see it please?

Pattylallacks2
30-03-2018, 09:44 AM
My dad always sites the Carlisle game as his most memorable. Torrential rain, he remembers it as 3-0. Think we finished second to Donny. Only one team went up in those days.

Jock, I really do think this is the fixture all the old timers remember, not the end of season Rochdale match

Nardendee
30-03-2018, 09:56 AM
Even rhe best memories get clouded into the mists of time & I think this is one of those. He was very specific about the fact that we had won every game at home until the last one. In my lifetime I cannot ever recall us winning every home game. The best attempt was of course 1980/81 when we remained unbeaten at home, winning 17 and drawing 6. The irony of the 1947 season was that we didnít get promoted. Only one went up and we had to wait until 1950/51 to go up.

sawmiller
30-03-2018, 09:58 AM
Really interesting thread thanks for starting this I agree threads this make this board so very worthwhile good to read all different contributions

Pattylallacks2
30-03-2018, 10:00 AM
That was of course the year of the very severe winter and the season had to be extended until the middle of June.

millertop
30-03-2018, 10:20 AM
What do i do to see it please?

I have no idea XD
Maybe it’s something in your settings

mikemiller
30-03-2018, 10:40 AM
Just checked Gerry Somerton book "Now we are United"...

1948/9 season.... going into our last match at Millmoor, we had won every home league game EXCEPT v Wrexham on 05/02/49 (L 1-3, Ardron ). Our final home fixture was Carlisle U (30/04/49) and we drew 1-1 (Shaw). Our last fixture for that season was away at Gateshead on 07/05/49. We lost 2-3 (Ardron 2)

We finished second, three points behind Hull City. Only two points for a win in those days and only one team promoted from Division 3N. Even if we had won those final two games , we would have needed big victories to overtake Hull, as they had a significantly better goal average. (Hull F93 A28, Millers F90 A46)

mikemiller
30-03-2018, 11:10 AM
!946/7 season - final home game was v Rochdale (D 3-3 - Guest, Hainswoth and "Sheeny" Wilson scored) played on 7th June! We finished second in Division 3N, 8 points behind Donny (So, by quite a big margin under the "two points for a win" system ). We won ALL our home league games except for the Rochdale game. Final game of the season was away at New Brighton (14/06/47 ) . We lost 0-1

frogmiller
30-03-2018, 11:24 AM
What brilliant memories, what fantastic thread and thanks Nardendee for starting it.

jocksgloves
31-03-2018, 08:32 AM
We beat Carlisle 3-0 in the 50/51 promotion season. Easy to confuse it with the 4-0in 1947, all these years later.

mikemiller
31-03-2018, 08:52 AM
We beat Carlisle 3-0 in the 50/51 promotion season. Easy to confuse it with the 4-0in 1947, all these years later.

Confirmed in "Now we are United" book, Jock...

1946/7 season
20/03/47 - beat Carlisle U. 4-0 (Ardron 2, McLean, Wilson)
Finished as Runners-up to Doncaster R.

1950/1
26/03/51 - beat Carlisle U. 3-0 (Shaw 2, Grainger)
Lost 4 games at home, but only 2 lost games away that season
Comfortably finished as champions, 7 points ahead of Mansfield T.

dmentor
31-03-2018, 09:12 AM
There must be something about that game against Carlisle,as my Dad told me it was the best game he had ever seen at Millmoor,played in torrential rain as you say,but he told me it ended 2-2,God bless all our Dads.

Grist_To_The_Mill
31-03-2018, 01:21 PM
Might be a trick of perspective but the ground looks very “square”

Pattylallacks2
31-03-2018, 01:39 PM
Just had a thought following Grist's reference to the shape of the ground. The corners have been rounded off and surrounded by a fence like structure. This suggests that the photograph may have been taken between May 1931 and July 1933 when the ground was also used for greyhound racing

mikemiller
31-03-2018, 02:06 PM
Just had a thought following Grist's reference to the shape of the ground. The corners have been rounded off and surrounded by a fence like structure. This suggests that the photograph may have been taken between May 1931 and July 1933 when the ground was also used for greyhound racing

I was thinking along the same lines myself. According to "Now we are United" the first Millmoor greyhound meeting was
on 11/05/31. It was a success and the profits from the greyhound races outside of the football season were used to pay the players summer wages. 8990

jocksgloves
31-03-2018, 03:40 PM
Would love to give some thoughts on the photo, but sadly still cannot see it. Is it during a match?

mikemiller
31-03-2018, 03:48 PM
Would love to give some thoughts on the photo, but sadly still cannot see it. Is it during a match?
Opening post photo is not during a match, Jock. Looks like it could have been taken in the summer (?) Playing area looks surprisingly square, but that could just be due to the perspective of the camera shot, as has been pointed out earlier.

mikemiller
31-03-2018, 05:45 PM
Found out a bit more - the greyhound racing moved out to a new stadium at Psalters Lane, Holmes in July 1933.. So there wouldn't have been any need for the curved fences at Millmoor after that date. I remember walking past the Holmes dog track sometimes on my way to Millmoor , never when there was any racing on though. The races were on Mondays and Thursdays. The dog track looked like it was in a fairly run down state by the 1960s and was closed in 1974, then demolished shortly afterwards.

My dad called it "Addy's circus" - no idea why! He also told me that it was not part of the "big track " franchise and so the races were not just restricted to greyhounds! Anybody know any more details?

Pattylallacks2
31-03-2018, 08:14 PM
A few years earlier than this there was a speedway track in Hellaby which drew crowds of 15 to 20 thousand during it's brief life from 1928 to 29.

jocksgloves
31-03-2018, 08:27 PM
I did hear that there was once a horse racing track on Herringthorpe playing fields way back. Also my dad ran on the race track at Clifton Lane ground.

mikemiller
31-03-2018, 08:32 PM
A few years earlier than this there was a speedway track in Hellaby which drew crowds of 15 to 20 thousand during it's brief life from 1928 to 29.

Greyhound racing was held there too

Pattylallacks2
31-03-2018, 08:48 PM
I did hear that there was once a horse racing track on Herringthorpe playing fields way back. Also my dad ran on the race track at Clifton Lane ground.

There was once horse racing on two different sites in Rotherham. One was on Wellgate and this held flat racing from 1823 to 1832 (although there are records of a one day meeting in 1727). A different course opened in East Dene in 1866. At one meeting that year there was an estimated crowd of 15,000.

mikemiller
01-04-2018, 09:18 AM
There was once horse racing on two different sites in Rotherham. One was on Wellgate and this held flat racing from 1823 to 1832 (although there are records of a one day meeting in 1727). A different course opened in East Dene in 1866. At one meeting that year there was an estimated crowd of 15,000.

Also at Swinton - one of the streets is still named "Racecourse Road"

Grist_To_The_Mill
01-04-2018, 09:46 AM
Yes and the land it was on is still undeveloped, which is quite surprising.

Pattylallacks2
01-04-2018, 11:42 AM
And on the subject of lost sporting facilities, in the 1930s a Rotherham spiv named Sam Moreton had an open air wrestling and boxing stadium on Effingham Street.

mikemiller
01-04-2018, 01:56 PM
And on the subject of lost sporting facilities, in the 1930s a Rotherham spiv named Sam Moreton had an open air wrestling and boxing stadium on Effingham Street.

Just found a 2015 advert for wrestling at Rotherham Civic Theatre - Blondie Barrett v Alan Lee.... I wondered what he was up to these days!