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The Bedlington Terrier
18-09-2018, 01:15 PM
WTF is this about?

https://www.givemesport.com/1390877-football-fans-are-outraged-at-burnleys-tweet-advertising-for-match-day-heroes?autoplay=off

The Bedlington Terrier
18-09-2018, 01:17 PM
It's bad enough being cheapskates in the transfer market without offering unpaid jobs...

https://www.burnleyexpress.net/news/burnley-football-club-defends-unpaid-volunteer-scheme-1-9354801

sinkov
18-09-2018, 01:40 PM
Sounds fair enough to me, and the bonus is you don't actually have to watch the game. It's the poor buggers paying good money to watch us that we should be feeling sorry for.

The Bedlington Terrier
18-09-2018, 01:43 PM
Looks more and more to me sinkov that we are preparing for a return to the Championship. Any lads at Clitheroe who will fancy turning out for nowt at Turf Moor? :s

sinkov
18-09-2018, 01:59 PM
It's an even bigger shambles at Clitheroe this season BT, but a pasting at this level doesn't really matter, it's all part of the fun. Anyway we've just signed a Bermuda U17 International who's been in the Huddersfield Youth Team, if he turns out to be any good I'll give Sean a ring. The last Huddersfield reject we signed for nowt didn't turn out to be too shabby.

Norder
18-09-2018, 06:13 PM
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Burnley Hero's - tickle your fancy......mmmmmm - go on....throw yourself at the foot of the Garlick throne And Be Thankful or your proximity to greatness.

How Banal is that - a sneaky plan....as The club spokesman insisted that the club's Match Day Heroes would be similar to the "Games Makers" at the 2012 London Olympics.....similar being, around 2 weeks duration perhaps ? no.....don't think so, but it's only - Years of Free Labour....but then you will get a Pie - and then there's the occasional bobble cap thrown your way.

How much more of the Numpty Sh@t are we expected to suffer !

:(

what next - Rowing hero's... .

the team has a match to get to you know !
https://media.giphy.com/media/rp0cwPoJ8JUWs/giphy.gif

XD

barrie_burn
18-09-2018, 06:30 PM
They are not going to attract fans because you don't get to see the match.So they are asking for members of the public to turn up on match days at their own expense.Are they real.Perhaps Wetherspoons could advertise for heroes to help serve the fans pre-match and not even get a free drink.What clown at the Club thought this one up.

sinkov
18-09-2018, 06:48 PM
We do seem to have an everchanging number of employees who, due to injuries, are not able to carry out their normal duties. These people are extremely well renumerated for doing not very much. Perhaps they could be volunteered to help out ?

Altobelli
18-09-2018, 11:07 PM
One word sums them up, and its "Cheapskates".

The Bedlington Terrier
19-09-2018, 06:42 AM
Oi you! Stop nicking my word of the day...

Embarrassing is what it is. I need the garden sorting, any volunteers?

ClaretinBudapest
19-09-2018, 07:01 AM
I have just put an advert in the paper for CIB`s heroes.I need my lawn mowing every Saturday afternoon.

The Bedlington Terrier
19-09-2018, 07:27 AM
I have just put an advert in the paper for CIB`s heroes.I need my lawn mowing every Saturday afternoon.

Good idea that CiB, I have copied your idea, the "volunteers" can also clean Terriers Taxis, we will need the fleet ready for the next transfer window!

10695

barrie_burn
19-09-2018, 11:00 AM
Good idea that CiB, I have copied your idea, the "volunteers" can also clean Terriers Taxis, we will need the fleet ready for the next transfer window!

10695

No need.They will stay in the garage as usual.

sinkov
19-09-2018, 11:00 AM
This could run and run, the media are now picking up on the fact that we're one of the 'greedy' PL clubs that charge kids for being mascots.

The Bedlington Terrier
19-09-2018, 11:36 AM
...and that is outrageous too sinkov!

1959_60
19-09-2018, 04:26 PM
I can't see what all the bother is about here?

No one is being conscripted - every one is a volunteer.

Very few people get paid for being a political activist, school governor, church catechist etc etc.

If I lived closer to Turf Moor I may consider volunteering myself - I certainly would not consider that I was being treated badly.

I'm sure you can find a better way to criticise our club?

sinkov
19-09-2018, 04:59 PM
You ought to be ashamed of yourself 59/60, people work in Security in order to put a roof over their children's head, food on their table and pay the mortgage or rent. And you would put them out of work by doing their job for nothing ? If BFC want people to do a job for them, then they should pay them for it, the same way we have to pay to watch the games. BFC is not a Charity it's a business, and a very profitable one, there is a difference.

The Bedlington Terrier
19-09-2018, 05:03 PM
They want people to work for nothing! Jesus wept 1959_60, I know you are a Lib Dem but even they insist on paying a minimum wage.

I'll bet the people employed by G4, paid on a pittance on zero contracts who get bused in from Manchester every matchday, are totally delighted their jobs are being taken by unpaid "Heroes"?

The Bedlington Terrier
19-09-2018, 05:04 PM
You beat me to it sinkov. You really are a socialist after all! :D

1959_60
19-09-2018, 06:28 PM
Much ado about nothing.

This is commonplace in many areas. Theatre, music sport, politics etc. (Do you get paid for your work for the Labour Party BT? They have loads of interns too)

Did you complain about the Greeters who worked voluntarily during the London Olympics?

I never went, but they were regarded as being a notable part of the success of the event.

Do you object to all volunteers who work at every corporate event?

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2012/aug/04/olympic-volunteers-happy-to-help

Norder
19-09-2018, 10:11 PM
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If I lived closer to Turf Moor I may consider volunteering myself

Correct me if i'm wrong 59/60 - but I beleive that your in the Privileged position of being retired - possibly in a place where you no longer have need Work for money ?....so am Interested - would you feel the same way if, as has been said (sinkov) you were in a position where a wage was essential, to put food on the table, pay the bills etc....much being so for around 80% of Burnley residents I believe - and for many of those, some little extra would go a long way to help supplement their existing income - would you feel happy to deprive them of a few more, helpful - £s.
And...do you also think it right that a currently strong and Profitable Business, that pays many of it's individual employees in annual £Millions£....should devalue it's labour force and deprive the somewhat small local community that supports it , through good and bad - some small return, in a lighly paid role....?

Cheers.

:)

sinkov
19-09-2018, 11:01 PM
You beat me to it sinkov. You really are a socialist after all! :D


I worked nearly 30 years in the Fire Service BT, but not even one minute's paid overtime in that 30 years. The FBU had a ban on it because the employers would have used overtime to keep the establishment under-strength, and that meant we'd have been keeping someone else out of paid employment. We wouldn't work overtime to keep people on the dole, I wouldn't work for nothing for BFC to keep people on the dole. People doing other people out of work are nowt but scabs imo.

The Bedlington Terrier
20-09-2018, 07:17 AM
Bloody hell sinkov! A Trade Unionist too. Impressed beyond words. You are now off my "one to watch" list! XD

ClaretinBudapest
20-09-2018, 12:43 PM
Good idea that CiB, I have copied your idea, the "volunteers" can also clean Terriers Taxis, we will need the fleet ready for the next transfer window!

10695

The eternal optimist.

The Bedlington Terrier
20-09-2018, 12:52 PM
That's me CiB! XD

1959_60
20-09-2018, 01:47 PM
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Correct me if i'm wrong 59/60 - but I beleive that your in the Privileged position of being retired - possibly in a place where you no longer have need Work for money ?....so am Interested - would you feel the same way if, as has been said (sinkov) you were in a position where a wage was essential, to put food on the table, pay the bills etc....much being so for around 80% of Burnley residents I believe - and for many of those, some little extra would go a long way to help supplement their existing income - would you feel happy to deprive them of a few more, helpful - £s.
And...do you also think it right that a currently strong and Profitable Business, that pays many of it's individual employees in annual £Millions£....should devalue it's labour force and deprive the somewhat small local community that supports it , through good and bad - some small return, in a lighly paid role....?

Cheers.

:)

Afternoon Norder!

Yes, I am retired. I get by on my pension...but extra money would be very helpful. I am considering taking a part time job at the moment.

Tell me, did you complain about the Olympic volunteers who certainly added to the occasion during the London Olympics? Or were you jumping up and down calling them "scabs"? (Sinkov)

Do you think there is no place for volunteers in corporate events such as sport, church, school governance, music, art etc etc?

I am a Lib Dem activist and I actually pay money to the party.
I am an elected councillor and I don't receive a penny for my work.
My wife is an unpaid school governor.
My wife also does unpaid work for the mega rich Catholic church.
So if you want to call us "scabs" then crack on.

Volunteering to be a greeter at Turf Moor will probably mean being on duty between 1.30 and 3PM for a Saturday match. After that they get to watch the match, get "refreshments" and merchandise.
Burnley do employ loads of match day staff as well you know.

Yes, I am a lifelong Burnley fan and I would certainly consider doing this now and again. The amount of cash that this would take away from the local economy is so small that it needn't even be considered.

The Bedlington Terrier
20-09-2018, 02:31 PM
You are not getting this are you 1959_60?

Burnley Football Club are asking for "Matchday Heroes" to perform the EXACT same duties as paid for staff are currently doing.

This has nothing to do with philanthropy, hobbies or belonging to a political party or particular church. This is asking people to take over the duties of paid employees for zero remuneration.

You doff your cap and tug your forelocks all you like, but don't dare ask me to do people out of a paid job.

1959_60
20-09-2018, 03:46 PM
You are not getting this are you 1959_60?

Burnley Football Club are asking for "Matchday Heroes" to perform the EXACT same duties as paid for staff are currently doing.

This has nothing to do with philanthropy, hobbies or belonging to a political party or particular church. This is asking people to take over the duties of paid employees for zero remuneration.

You doff your cap and tug your forelocks all you like, but don't dare ask me to do people out of a paid job.

BT, do you think that no volunteers at all should be used in any corporate event? Sporting, arts, political etc etc?

Did you complain about the London Olympic greeters?

The Bedlington Terrier
20-09-2018, 04:57 PM
That's a ridiculous argument 1959_60. The Olympics are a national showcase with visitors arriving from all over the globe. The Olympics epitomise xenophobic pride, not trying to get important jobs done for nowt by a Corporate entity. Burnley Football Club are becoming so disconnected from their fan base, when the rooster comes home to nest it will be entirely their own fault!

sinkov
20-09-2018, 06:13 PM
Bloody hell sinkov! A Trade Unionist too. Impressed beyond words. You are now off my "one to watch" list! XD

My role of honour.

TSSA
GMWU
ASTMS with Clive Jenkins
FBU

Always been a Union man BT, 7 weeks on the picket line, demos outside County Hall, some good times with the lads and lassies of the SWP as well. Always opted out of paying the political levy though, feck that for a game of soldiers.

Altobelli
20-09-2018, 07:49 PM
I might have got this wrong, but I was told Willie Irvine who was at the Turf every home game as an ambassador for the Club for many years and was only paid with a ticket to watch the game, one Saturday he turned up to do his duties and was told he was no longer needed and he was not going to get his ticket for the day's game :(

sinkov
20-09-2018, 08:18 PM
The Olympics was a short term, one off event 59/60, a team of volunteers was required because people in fulltime employment would not have been able to act as greeters, so no long term employment possibilities, no one was being done out of a job. BFC is a commercial, profit making enterprise, they already pay people to the work they are now asking people to volunteer for. Rather than asking why people should not do it for free, ask why they want people to do it for nowt.
There were always people in the fire service agitating for overtime, the greedy ****s weren't interested in the fact that Lancashire had to employ around 800 personnel to man the engines, if they could have used overtime they could have reduced that to around 700. One hundred jobs gone, 100 people put out of work. They didn't care, greedy selfish ****s. I'd no time for them.

1959_60
20-09-2018, 09:00 PM
I believe that the Olympic Greeters argument is very valid. We spent billions on the Olympics and could easily afforded to employ paid labour to do the job. Luckily there was no faux rage about getting people to work for nothing - and the event was a very joyous occasion.

I have just returned from an uplifting evening in which local volunteers were honoured for their work in the area. I nominated one chap who picked up an award.

Another award went to the local Blood Bikers who voluntarily use their own motor bikes, pay for the fuel and work around the clock to move blood from hospital to hospital. They told us that they have saved the NHS around £3 million by doing this.
Should they be considered to be "scabs" because they are putting many workers, who need to put food on the table, out of a job - in a similar way to firefighters who wished to work overtime?

The Bedlington Terrier
20-09-2018, 09:21 PM
I might have got this wrong, but I was told Willie Irvine who was at the Turf every home game as an ambassador for the Club for many years and was only paid with a ticket to watch the game, one Saturday he turned up to do his duties and was told he was no longer needed and he was not going to get his ticket for the day's game :(

That's not correct Alto! I had a corporate box in those days. Willie and Andy Lochhead were paid £30.00 each for doing about 7 hours work on a matchday but they did it for the love of the club.

Willie incurred the wrath of Lees Hoos for some reason and was unceremoniously dumped. It was a pathetic way to treat a true Clarets Legend and under the old regime on here, I was castigated to the hills and back for giving Hoos constant dog's abuse!

The Bedlington Terrier
20-09-2018, 09:26 PM
I believe that the Olympic Greeters argument is very valid. We spent billions on the Olympics and could easily afforded to employ paid labour to do the job. Luckily there was no faux rage about getting people to work for nothing - and the event was a very joyous occasion.

I have just returned from an uplifting evening in which local volunteers were honoured for their work in the area. I nominated one chap who picked up an award.

Another award went to the local Blood Bikers who voluntarily use their own motor bikes, pay for the fuel and work around the clock to move blood from hospital to hospital. They told us that they have saved the NHS around £3 million by doing this.
Should they be considered to be "scabs" because they are putting many workers, who need to put food on the table, out of a job - in a similar way to firefighters who wished to work overtime?

Scabs the lot of them. No other word for them. Let the bloody Tories pay people to do the job we pay our taxes for. Send the funds and profits to the Caymans and let idiots work for nowt, I can now clearly see why the Lib Dems jumped in bed with the austerity brigade. Get real please?

1959_60
20-09-2018, 09:32 PM
Scabs the lot of them. No other word for them. Let the bloody Tories pay people to do the job we pay our taxes for. Send the funds and profits to the Caymans and let idiots work for nowt, I can now clearly see why the Lib Dems jumped in bed with the austerity brigade. Get real please?

BT, if you start calling Blood Bikers "scabs" then don't expect much support in your political adventures - except your ultra left buddies.

These people are rightly lauded as heroes - it was VERY evident tonight.

http://www.bloodbikes.org.uk/

Norder
21-09-2018, 12:10 AM
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Yes, I am retired. I get by on my pension...but extra money would be very helpful. I am considering taking a part time job at the moment.
Tell me, did you complain about the Olympic volunteers who certainly added to the occasion during the London Olympics?

to be honest 59/60....In the Olympic case, I can respect the idea of their well meant benevolence....but any praise offered would be generalised or completely group given...offered to a useful function, one that worked and......why shouldn't it have. But to see them as individuals performing a charitable act, is something I just can't do, as doing so would unfortunately cause me to consider them dupes in some giant ugly business production, based on monetary gain, and hidden behind a veil of sporting excellence.....as I believe, during those few weeks, one American athelete took 4-5 million from his sponsors alone.


Do you think there is no place for volunteers in corporate events such as sport, church, school governance, music, art etc etc?

I think I'd mostly agree with BT's response to you on this - and would only add that, without knowing specific facts concerning each separate construction, a precise answer would only pretend to be a complete one....imho.


Cheers ;D

The Bedlington Terrier
21-09-2018, 04:44 AM
BT, if you start calling Blood Bikers "scabs" then don't expect much support in your political adventures - except your ultra left buddies.

These people are rightly lauded as heroes - it was VERY evident tonight.

http://www.bloodbikes.org.uk/

Why on earth can't the NHS pay for their own despatch riders? These daft sods are playing right into the Tory Party/Lib Dem Alliance "back to serfdom" plans.

You know the mantra, "Club together, don't rely on the State to provide the basics, look after your own and please die early then we don't have to provide you with a pension!" That philosophy comes straight out of the Theresa May Handbook. The Tories have taken the Lib/Dems out of the loop but you can't take the Lib/Dems out of the Tory Party. :blue:

1959_60
21-09-2018, 09:28 AM
BT, you obviously don't realise (and neither did I) that the Blood Bikers have been operated for 50 years. Their organisation was formalised in 2008 - during a Labour Government.

It says on their website, "With its roots going back over half a century, the concept of a rapid response motorcycle based charity, run by unpaid volunteers has an impressive track record. More than one of the current NABB member groups can proudly demonstrate in excess of three decades of continual service to the NHS and the wider community.

Since its inception as an umbrella organisation in 2008, NABB has successfully promoted and been actively involved in the start up of numerous independent Blood Bike groups across the UK and the Republic of Ireland."

The Bedlington Terrier
21-09-2018, 09:36 AM
Perhaps we can all volunteer as "Westminster Heroes" and get the useless phuckers currently operating out of there, a free bus pass to anywhere but the Houses of Parliament?

Supersub6
21-09-2018, 12:06 PM
Why on earth can't the NHS pay for their own despatch riders? These daft sods are playing right into the Tory Party/Lib Dem Alliance "back to serfdom" plans.

You know the mantra, "Club together, don't rely on the State to provide the basics, look after your own and please die early then we don't have to provide you with a pension!" That philosophy comes straight out of the Theresa May Handbook. The Tories have taken the Lib/Dems out of the loop but you can't take the Lib/Dems out of the Tory Party. :blue:

The NHS won't pay for their own despatch riders, in fact, the London Ambulance Service is even thinking of getting rid of its Motor Cycle Unit which responds faster than anyone to emergencies on the streets of London because they are able to get through the traffic easier than anything. This unit comprises senior paramedics who are extremely competent and have saved many, many lives and who enjoy their particular type of service, however, morale is being affected and rather than face the prospect of going back on the 'wagons' many are considering leaving a service which, because of mismanagement, has lost a lot of staff during the past couple of years and has even tried recruiting in Australia, promising any newcomers some ridiculous benefits.

More power to the Blood bikers ---they do a brilliant job and, like so many of us who carry out voluntary work, they are happy to do it without any recognition at all. Scabs indeed!! Well put me in that group as well because I help soldiers, sailors and airmen and their families who, sometimes, desperately need help so I suppose that I am taking the place of a social worker except that many have been kicked into touch already through the social services!

1959_60
21-09-2018, 12:57 PM
Well said Supersub. And thank you for the work you do for our servicemen and women.

The Bedlington Terrier
21-09-2018, 02:26 PM
Well said Supersub. And thank you for the work you do for our servicemen and women.

I'm at a loss, I really am. The NHS are so desperate they have even tried recruiting in Australia, promising any newcomers some ridiculous benefits to perform a job that these volunteers are doing for nothing? :confused:

So if this lot of Bikers went back to their proper fully paid jobs, there would be how many people leaving the Job Centres to become NHS despatch riders?

alfinyalcabo
21-09-2018, 02:28 PM
well said supersub. And thank you for the work you do for our servicemen and women.

x 2 .. B)

Supersub6
21-09-2018, 02:38 PM
I'm at a loss, I really am. The NHS are so desperate they have even tried recruiting in Australia, promising any newcomers some ridiculous benefits to perform a job that these volunteers are doing for nothing? :confused:

So if this lot of Bikers went back to their proper fully paid jobs, there would be how many people leaving the Job Centres to become NHS despatch riders?

Wrong BT!! The NHS were recruiting Paramedics and Ambulance Personnel to replace the vast numbers that were leaving the London Ambulance Service in droves because of mismanagement. The fact that experienced people were leaving and being replaced by overseas people coming in and getting all sorts of benefits has cost the NHS more money than if they had been able to manage the brilliant people that were in situ and doing a great job.
The voluntary blood transportation service would never be paid for by the NHS, perhaps the Labour Party, as and when they get into government, can pay the bikers for the work they do voluntarily and they could then call it a job ---a working wage will have to be paid but that should be no problem with all the money which will become available with Brexit.

Have a word, over a pint, with your two MP friends and tell them that you think that the bikers should be paid so that they aren't taking anyone elses' jobs.

I love politics!

The Bedlington Terrier
21-09-2018, 02:40 PM
Would you lot not be better voting Labour and getting rid of this austerity driven shower of schit?

Money could then be put into the NHS to pay for services rendered and Social Services would be properly funded to protect ALL of our vulnerable citizens.

Supersub6
21-09-2018, 02:49 PM
Would you lot not be better voting Labour and getting rid of this austerity driven shower of schit?

Money could then be put into the NHS to pay for services rendered and Social Services would be properly funded to protect ALL of our vulnerable citizens.

It is politicians that tell you this BT and I do not believe any politicians since my dealings with them in the 1970s and 1980s. To be honest, I think that they are even worse now than they were in those days because there were one or two good ones from all sides in those days, however, I find it difficult to find anyone I can really respect these days.

Altobelli
21-09-2018, 08:16 PM
I might have got this wrong, but I was told Willie Irvine who was at the Turf every home game as an ambassador for the Club for many years and was only paid with a ticket to watch the game, one Saturday he turned up to do his duties and was told he was no longer needed and he was not going to get his ticket for the day's game :(


That's not correct Alto! I had a corporate box in those days. Willie and Andy Lochhead were paid £30.00 each for doing about 7 hours work on a matchday but they did it for the love of the club.

Willie incurred the wrath of Lees Hoos for some reason and was unceremoniously dumped. It was a pathetic way to treat a true Clarets Legend and under the old regime on here, I was castigated to the hills and back for giving Hoos constant dog's abuse!

That's roughly what I said wasn't it ?

sinkov
22-09-2018, 05:34 AM
It always baffles me that the UK is the 5th largest economy in the world, can afford to spend £13 billion a year on foreign aid, much of it wasted or mis-appropriated, and yet has to depend on volunteers to transport blood around the country, and charitable donations to keep air ambulances flying, provide a lifeboat service and rescue people in trouble on hills and mountains.

But this is missing the point, the NHS is a crucial service but it is seriously under-funded, I would not criticise anyone who volunteered to help out. It shouldn't be necessary but it is. On the other hand BFC is a succesful, profit making organisation, they receive over £100m annually from TV companies, they pay grown men millions of pounds a year to kick a ball around a field, they charge people in excess of £20 a time to watch these men kick a ball around that field for less than an hour. There is no possibilty that they will let you watch a game for nothing, but they are asking people to work for them for nothing. It's ludicrous and shameful, and there is simply no comparison with the NHS using volunteers.

If they want to use the NHS model perhaps they could ask for taxpayer funding as well. Is that the next step ? Heroes my arse, mugs more like.

The Bedlington Terrier
22-09-2018, 06:09 AM
That's roughly what I said wasn't it ?

No! You said he was paid with a match ticket. He wasn't, he got to watch the match and was paid the princely sum of thirty quid to do the corporate greeting bollox. The way BFC treated him was deplorable and I can certainly agree with you on that!

Supersub6
22-09-2018, 06:13 AM
Certainly can't argue with your statement sinkov as far as BFC is concerned. The sad thing is that the UK economy depends on people volunteering and charitable donations for the services which you mention.
Meanwhile, the rich get richer and there is always big media coverage if 'Celebrity A' or 'Celebrity B' makes a donation or goes off to some foreign land to 'help' the cause!!
The UK needs volunteers in lots of areas, however, BFC?

The Bedlington Terrier
22-09-2018, 07:12 AM
I really do think there is a very fine line between genuine altruism and the State taking the mick. ***** services are now having to be covered by ordinary folk working for nowt because of the Tory Austerity paradigm.

Very soon Sinkov may well have to don his helmet, unretire his hosepipe and start putting fires out. Meanwhile Theresa May stamps her feet and wants some respect. You really could not make this schit up, could you?

Norder
22-09-2018, 12:48 PM
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as for the NHS...little of the orginal blood left it, so much of it being pumped toward Profit driven private business -the 2012 health (destruction) reform act saw to that !!!....mush be no dosh in after hours deliveries.

..

;D

The Bedlington Terrier
22-09-2018, 06:27 PM
I really do think there is a very fine line between genuine altruism and the State taking the mick. ***** services are now having to be covered by ordinary folk working for nowt because of the Tory Austerity paradigm.

Very soon Sinkov may well have to don his helmet, unretire his hosepipe and start putting fires out. Meanwhile Theresa May stamps her feet and wants some respect. You really could not make this schit up, could you?

V-i-t-a-l