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nakedtruth
22-09-2018, 02:51 PM
Match abandoned without a ball being kicked.

Somebody collapsed in crowd so match was originally delayed so they could land helicopter on pitch.

Eventually ref postoned the game.

Whilst itís all very sad that somebody should end up in such a medical position but isnít the outcome a bit severe to actually abandon the match?

Are the facilities and medical services so bad at Barnsley that they had no way to get this poor soul out of the crowd, into an ambulance and off to hospital?

Brin
22-09-2018, 03:02 PM
Without all the facts to hand it's hard to comment on. Thoughts are with the spectator over football any day.

Who's not to say that the weight of the chopper landing on the pitch didn't cause damage to the playing surface, hence the Ref having to call it off?

Chopper could have been anywhere before finally landing at Barnsley. Again you're talking time for the medical team to get to the patient, assess, deliberate best course of options and the time to finally get the patient in the chopper and away from the area. Many reasons for the lengthy delay and all will be explained as to why what took place had to happen.

Not a million miles for the Burton fans to travel who I suppose will in turn and accept, like the Barnsley fans, what were an unusual set of circumstances.

millmoormagic
22-09-2018, 03:04 PM
Why would the services have to be bad? an expert has made that decision, obviously they thought it the right thing to do, it's just a game of football, you know.....

nakedtruth
22-09-2018, 03:38 PM
Emergency services routinely evacuate people from tower blocks, mountain sides and other difficult places, but out of the crowd in a match in South Yofkshire appears to be problematic.

Yes take your time extracting the poor soul ( bearing in mind the first hour is called the golden hour for survival) but surely it doesn’t need abandonment of the game?

Brin
22-09-2018, 03:49 PM
Do you know what happened to the 'poor soul'?

Was extraction so easy to complete?

animallittle3
22-09-2018, 03:56 PM
One of the match day announcers collapsed with a suspected heart attack just as the players were about to kick off .

He collapsed on the bye line right at the side of the Burton goalie and defenders , they raised the alarm .

The players left the field .

Paramedics arrived and gave CPR , blankets were then held to provide privacy and dignity .

The air ambulance arrived at 3.20pm and the man was put in to an induced coma .

The game quite rightly was abandoned at 3.35pm .

Under such circumstances football means nothing .

Hopefully a full recovery will be made and my thoughts are with the man and his family .

nakedtruth
22-09-2018, 04:01 PM
What happens if there’s a similar event at your next home game?

Or more than one fan in distress?

Sorry but the emergency plan looks dodgy to me.

great_fire
22-09-2018, 04:04 PM
Emergency services routinely evacuate people from tower blocks, mountain sides and other difficult places, but out of the crowd in a match in South Yofkshire appears to be problematic.

Yes take your time extracting the poor soul ( bearing in mind the first hour is called the golden hour for survival) but surely it doesn’t need abandonment of the game?

You don't need that avatar, I can tell you're a lefty because you keep using the word "problematic" like those ****s at The Guardian.

frogmiller
22-09-2018, 04:06 PM
What happens if there’s a similar event at your next home game?

Or more than one fan in distress?

Sorry but the emergency plan looks dodgy to me.

Feck all dodgy about trying to save a life

Brin
22-09-2018, 04:08 PM
One of the match day announcers collapsed with a suspected heart attack just as the players were about to kick off .

He collapsed on the bye line right at the side of the Burton goalie and defenders , they raised the alarm .

The players left the field .

Paramedics arrived and gave CPR , blankets were then held to provide privacy and dignity .

The air ambulance arrived at 3.20pm and the man was put in to an induced coma .

The game quite rightly was abandoned at 3.35pm .

Under such circumstances football means nothing .

Hopefully a full recovery will be made and my thoughts are with the man and his family .

Trust animal's explanation is good enough for all to accept why the game was abandoned. Best wishes to the chap involved.

millmoormagic
22-09-2018, 04:10 PM
You don't need that avatar, I can tell you're a lefty because you keep using the word "problematic" like those ****s at The Guardian.

How wrong you are....

BramleyMiller58
22-09-2018, 04:22 PM
One of the match day announcers collapsed with a suspected heart attack just as the players were about to kick off .

He collapsed on the bye line right at the side of the Burton goalie and defenders , they raised the alarm .

The players left the field .

Paramedics arrived and gave CPR , blankets were then held to provide privacy and dignity .

The air ambulance arrived at 3.20pm and the man was put in to an induced coma .

The game quite rightly was abandoned at 3.35pm .

Under such circumstances football means nothing .

Hopefully a full recovery will be made and my thoughts are with the man and his family .

OK back to what matters under the circumstances

Hope the guy is OK

If you hear owt Animal update us

animallittle3
22-09-2018, 04:30 PM
What happens if there’s a similar event at your next home game?

Or more than one fan in distress?

Sorry but the emergency plan looks dodgy to me.

Paramedics were there in seconds, about 8 of them and were responsible for saving the man's life with the CPR in all probability .

animallittle3
22-09-2018, 04:30 PM
OK back to what matters under the circumstances

Hope the guy is OK

If you hear owt Animal update us

Will do mate .

animallittle3
22-09-2018, 04:45 PM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/breaking-barnsley-vs-burton-postponed-13290249

nakedtruth
22-09-2018, 05:03 PM
You don't need that avatar, I can tell you're a lefty because you keep using the word "problematic" like those ****s at The Guardian.


Look, this is nothing to do with avatars, left or right, nor anything to do with reading a joke newspaper. Itís to do with a fan in severe difficulty that the emergency services couldnít get to a specialist hospital in good time. So slow that they had to abandon the match.

I can understand it might take time, but why not give them time then play the match?

Incidents like this statistically will happen in all places where large numbers of people get together. The emergency plan needs to be good enough to cope.

animallittle3
22-09-2018, 05:15 PM
Look, this is nothing to do with avatars, left or right, nor anything to do with reading a joke newspaper. Itís to do with a fan in severe difficulty that the emergency services couldnít get to a specialist hospital in good time. So slow that they had to abandon the match.

I can understand it might take time, but why not give them time then play the match?

Incidents like this statistically will happen in all places where large numbers of people get together. The emergency plan needs to be good enough to cope.

These are not get him to hospital asap incidents , the here and now treatment are what saves lives following a heart attack .

The on the scene paramedics saved his life , the air ambulance staff stabilised the chap and hospital will see to the recovery .

Nobody gave a shiny shyte about the game after witnessing that .

nakedtruth
22-09-2018, 05:20 PM
These are not get him to hospital asap incidents , the here and now treatment are what saves lives following a heart attack .

The on the scene paramedics saved his life , the air ambulance staff stabilised the chap and hospital will see to the recovery .

Nobody gave a shiny shyte about the game after witnessing that .

Fair enough

Back of the net
22-09-2018, 05:26 PM
Good luck to him hope he makes a full recovery.

nakedtruth
22-09-2018, 05:28 PM
Yes indeed

mellowmiller
22-09-2018, 05:33 PM
The air ambulance would have been called because the nearest specialist cardiac hospital is the Northern General.
Once the paramedics had stabilised the patient it would be important to start the next stage of life-saving treatment as quickly as possible and the helicopter would be the best means to facilitate this.
All in all it seems as though the medical teams did a great job in difficult circumstances and hopefully the patient will make a full recovery.

Romared
22-09-2018, 07:32 PM
Match abandoned without a ball being kicked.

Somebody collapsed in crowd so match was originally delayed so they could land helicopter on pitch.

Eventually ref postoned the game.

Whilst itís all very sad that somebody should end up in such a medical position but isnít the outcome a bit severe to actually abandon the match?

Are the facilities and medical services so bad at Barnsley that they had no way to get this poor soul out of the crowd, into an ambulance and off to hospital?
What an heartless 2hat you are , ope you never need such help ? .

flourbasher
22-09-2018, 07:49 PM
Surely it's not about whether a match could be played it's more about whether anyone wants to play a football match after that or are they in the right frame of mind to play.

millmoormagic
22-09-2018, 07:53 PM
Surely it's not about whether a match could be played it's more about whether anyone wants to play a football match after that or are they in the right frame of mind to play.

I think that's about right mate.

animallittle3
22-09-2018, 08:07 PM
Surely it's not about whether a match could be played it's more about whether anyone wants to play a football match after that or are they in the right frame of mind to play.

Exactly right , everyone around me was saying it should be called off because we could see this was a very serious thing as time went on , you could see the paramedics giving CPR before the blankets were held and privacy was given .

It's upsetting to see and perspective kicks in , as the air ambulance took off and seeing the players walk back out wasn't right when somebody is fighting for their life .

nakedtruth
22-09-2018, 08:12 PM
I think that's about right mate.

Yes it is right.

However, would opinions have been different if the incident occurred on 75 minutes with Barnsley leading 3-0?

animallittle3
22-09-2018, 08:16 PM
Yes it is right.

However, would opinions have been different if the incident occurred on 75 minutes with Barnsley leading 3-0?

I really don't know where to start with that in all honesty .

I'll leave it because the truth is when Shankly said football was more important than life or death he was an idiot .

millmoormagic
22-09-2018, 08:18 PM
Yes it is right.

However, would opinions have been different if the incident occurred on 75 minutes with Barnsley leading 3-0?

If you have posted that for reaction then fair enough, you're playing your twisted game, if you've posted that in all honesty, you're a very sad man.

animallittle3
22-09-2018, 08:24 PM
Yes it is right.

However, would opinions have been different if the incident occurred on 75 minutes with Barnsley leading 3-0?

Please read the link and the effects today has had on many people at our club .



https://www.barnsleyfc.co.uk/news/2018/september/stephen-croft/

CASPER-64-FRANK
22-09-2018, 08:36 PM
Let's hope the bloke makes as full a recovery as possible.

Seems like a quick turnaround 're the treatment he received.

ragingpup
22-09-2018, 08:42 PM
All as you would hope it would be in a situation like that at a football match. Awful situation, great response from all concerned and just hope the Barnsley fella makes a full recovery. Just a game.

Acido
22-09-2018, 10:02 PM
Yes it is right.
However, would opinions have been different if the incident occurred on 75 minutes with Barnsley leading 3-0?

Absolute shame on you, for lowering yourself to that level. :mad:

BramleyMiller58
22-09-2018, 10:07 PM
Yes it is right.

However, would opinions have been different if the incident occurred on 75 minutes with Barnsley leading 3-0?

What are you on, and please stop taking it ?


And before you comeback with an answer over the past two weeks I've been there, got the T shirt but can still feel for the poor guy.


Football comes fu<king second

animallittle3
22-09-2018, 10:17 PM
I'll reach out and say naked has probably underestimated the enormity of the events at Oakwell today .

The man wasn't there obviously so it's just poor judgement for me rather than malice .

millmoormagic
22-09-2018, 10:22 PM
I'll reach out and say naked has probably underestimated the enormity of the events at Oakwell today .

The man wasn't there obviously so it's just poor judgement for me rather than malice .

The man? he aint worth the title fella.

BramleyMiller58
22-09-2018, 10:26 PM
Man ? Or child ?


Sorry animal but struggle with people who hide through the anominity the keyboard provides so @ Naked


I'm 60 from Bramley born in 1958, been a Miller since 1967

Cried buckets at the Derby game as my wife passed on early hours of Friday, therefore feel a tad of compassion


Your turn ……………..

animallittle3
22-09-2018, 10:32 PM
Man ? Or child ?


Sorry animal but struggle with people who hide through the anominity the keyboard provides so @ Naked


I'm 60 from Bramley born in 1958, been a Miller since 1967

Cried buckets at the Derby game as my wife passed on early hours of Friday, therefore feel a tad of compassion


Your turn ……………..


Bramley I cant ever put the together the right words that would make any sense of your loss .

I'm sincerely sorry for your loss and my thoughts are with you and your family .

Acido
22-09-2018, 10:32 PM
Things like this really do show who are the genuine footy fans, and who are the sorry keyboard warriors with little or no understanding of what happens these days in the 'real world'.
Thanks (from me and from all of us at Barnsley Fc) to the fans on here who have understood what happened and who have made some understanding and respectful comments on this thread. :)

BramleyMiller58
22-09-2018, 10:36 PM
Bramley I cant ever put the together the right words that would make any sense of your loss .

I'm sincerely sorry for your loss and my thoughts are with you and your family .

Cheers mate
Been hard but ………..

It's screws me up when idiots try to score points over issues that far supersede football

End of the day we're all one family, just different colours

animallittle3
22-09-2018, 10:54 PM
Cheers mate
Been hard but ………..

It's screws me up when idiots try to score points over issues that far supersede football

End of the day we're all one family, just different colours

That's so right mate and I couldn't agree more .

sickly_child
22-09-2018, 11:44 PM
Part of my job means that i work with paramedics in New Zealand. The scenario is simple, resus commences and the patient will not be moved until they are stable enough to transfer. That means intubated with secure airway and some sort of cardiac rhythm that can sustain life. You do not want to have to resus anyone in a moving vehicle. All the equipment and expertise would have been available to achieve this, no need to move an unstable person. Once stable appropriate transport would be used, in this case a helicopter. You may recall Fabrice Muamba collapsing a few years ago they resuscitated him for over an hour before moving him.
Quite right to call the game off 35mins of having to see such things would hardly put me in the mood for a football match and I am not a layperson. Best wishes to the gentlemen hope he has a speedy recovery and well done those first responders.

Godsend.F.C.
23-09-2018, 12:20 AM
If you have posted that for reaction then fair enough, you're playing your twisted game, if you've posted that in all honesty, you're a very sad man.

You know very well why he posted it ! and don't be fooled by the Avatar. Leftie ha ha never laughed as much for a long while.

Hope the guy at Barnsley makes a full recovery.

millertop
23-09-2018, 06:50 AM
Just admit you got it wrong Naked and stop digging.

Read what the club had to say, best thing they could have done in all honesty

All the best to Stephen

monty_rhodes
23-09-2018, 07:00 AM
Part of my job means that i work with paramedics in New Zealand. The scenario is simple, resus commences and the patient will not be moved until they are stable enough to transfer. That means intubated with secure airway and some sort of cardiac rhythm that can sustain life. You do not want to have to resus anyone in a moving vehicle. All the equipment and expertise would have been available to achieve this, no need to move an unstable person. Once stable appropriate transport would be used, in this case a helicopter. You may recall Fabrice Muamba collapsing a few years ago they resuscitated him for over an hour before moving him.
Quite right to call the game off 35mins of having to see such things would hardly put me in the mood for a football match and I am not a layperson. Best wishes to the gentlemen hope he has a speedy recovery and well done those first responders.

Good post, sickly.

sickly_child
23-09-2018, 09:44 AM
You are welcome Monty, didn't know whether Naked was being deliberately insensitive or just on a wind up. Gave him the benefit of the doubt but having just read his post on ridiculous IBS porn thread I think he might just be a very strange lad. Noticed that thread has been removed.

CASPER-64-FRANK
23-09-2018, 09:51 AM
Part of my job means that i work with paramedics in New Zealand. The scenario is simple, resus commences and the patient will not be moved until they are stable enough to transfer. That means intubated with secure airway and some sort of cardiac rhythm that can sustain life. You do not want to have to resus anyone in a moving vehicle. All the equipment and expertise would have been available to achieve this, no need to move an unstable person. Once stable appropriate transport would be used, in this case a helicopter. You may recall Fabrice Muamba collapsing a few years ago they resuscitated him for over an hour before moving him.
Quite right to call the game off 35mins of having to see such things would hardly put me in the mood for a football match and I am not a layperson. Best wishes to the gentlemen hope he has a speedy recovery and well done those first responders.

I've read your quote several times and knowing very little about cardiac arrest apart from basic first aid your information is excellent. Some people ought to read it, they might learn a thing or two and not jump to the wrong conclusions or ' feed ' too much groundbait.

EDIT : Completely off topic you ought to think about changing your Avatar, it's scary and reminds me of an old History teacher from years ago lol.

sickly_child
23-09-2018, 09:56 AM
You are welcome Casper, I think sometimes when people don't understand the full protocols etc, they can make daft assumptions (I know I have). Your the second person to complain about the Avatar so will attempt to fix it soon. Nearly bed time so will do it tomorrow.

CASPER-64-FRANK
23-09-2018, 10:01 AM
OK back to what matters under the circumstances
Hope the guy is OK
If you hear owt Animal update us

@ BramleyMiller58, completely off topic, are you related to a lad called Rob, he would now be in his mid 60's.
Not fishing for information I used to work with a lad years ago who has the same surname as yourself.

animallittle3
23-09-2018, 10:07 AM
I think it's also worth pointing out that our players will know Stephen very well , he's volunteered at the club for many years .

Many of the things he does with the young kids at the club pre match involves the players as well .

It's unlikely they would have wanted to play the game after witnessing that .

Just as we wouldn't want to just get back to work if a colleague collapsed with a suspected heart attack where we earn our living .

monty_rhodes
23-09-2018, 10:31 AM
I've read your quote several times and knowing very little about cardiac arrest apart from basic first aid your information is excellent. Some people ought to read it, they might learn a thing or two and not jump to the wrong conclusions or ' feed ' too much groundbait.

EDIT : Completely off topic you ought to think about changing your Avatar, it's scary and reminds me of an old History teacher from years ago lol.

Great minds, Casper. I have already complained to sickly that his avatar is repulsive!

monty_rhodes
23-09-2018, 10:33 AM
You are welcome Monty, didn't know whether Naked was being deliberately insensitive or just on a wind up. Gave him the benefit of the doubt but having just read his post on ridiculous IBS porn thread I think he might just be a very strange lad. Noticed that thread has been removed.

Hadn't noticed it had been removed but a good idea to get rid imo. Surprised you haven't worked out who Naked is.

sickly_child
23-09-2018, 10:37 AM
I can be a bit dumb sometimes, is it an old doctor friend?

sickly_child
23-09-2018, 10:38 AM
Or IBS?

caytonmiller
23-09-2018, 10:57 AM
Match abandoned without a ball being kicked.

Somebody collapsed in crowd so match was originally delayed so they could land helicopter on pitch.

Eventually ref postoned the game.

Whilst itís all very sad that somebody should end up in such a medical position but isnít the outcome a bit severe to actually abandon the match?

Are the facilities and medical services so bad at Barnsley that they had no way to get this poor soul out of the crowd, into an ambulance and off to hospital?

Stepped over the line. Embarrassing...

great_fire
23-09-2018, 11:08 AM
Second richest club in the Championship and they have volunteers doing the match day stuff.

That's what annoys me about football clubs the players get millions and most of the other staff are on minimum wage or only get expenses.

"Community Clubs" my arse.

BramleyMiller58
23-09-2018, 11:14 AM
@ BramleyMiller58, completely off topic, are you related to a lad called Rob, he would now be in his mid 60's.
Not fishing for information I used to work with a lad years ago who has the same surname as yourself.

Not that I'm aware of.

Where did you work with him ?

BramleyMiller58
23-09-2018, 11:49 AM
Go on then I'll bring it up

Imagine if similar event happened in the Don Street crush ?

It would take most of the "Golden hour" for help to get to anybody

gkotw
23-09-2018, 01:16 PM
Just read this, I knew the game had been postponed but didn't know why. Crikey, serious stuff. Hope the gentleman makes a full recovery.

I always assumed that prior to a heart attack the person would feel unwell. It sounds as though it's possible to go from absolutely fine and going about ones business to hitting the floor fighting for life. In the click of a finger.

Shows how fragile life can be. Again, best wishes to the chap and his family.

animallittle3
23-09-2018, 01:29 PM
Just read this, I knew the game had been postponed but didn't know why. Crikey, serious stuff. Hope the gentleman makes a full recovery.

I always assumed that prior to a heart attack the person would feel unwell. It sounds as though it's possible to go from absolutely fine and going about ones business to hitting the floor fighting for life. In the click of a finger.

Shows how fragile life can be. Again, best wishes to the chap and his family.

I actually think he did become unwell before collapsing but probably tried to brush it off and get on with it .

Normally around 2.45pm he announces the teams over the microphone or let's a young kid do it at his side , this didn't happen yesterday which I thought was strange because normally this is our first opportunity to see the lineup .

animallittle3
23-09-2018, 01:43 PM
Second richest club in the Championship and they have volunteers doing the match day stuff.

That's what annoys me about football clubs the players get millions and most of the other staff are on minimum wage or only get expenses.

"Community Clubs" my arse.

Another rookie schoolboy error fire , we have the second richest owners in the EFL but we aren't the second richest club .

The work the club does in the community is second to none fire , the players are contractually obliged to get out in to the area and support various projects .

Stendel on arrival in england went out to a Barnsley town centre pub to watch the England world cup games and meet the fans and get a feel for the area , he even wore a German shirt , he was very well received as you can imagine .

Many things the club could do better but we are one of the better clubs who support community projects and its an ongoing process .

CASPER-64-FRANK
23-09-2018, 01:57 PM
Not that I'm aware of.
Where did you work with him ?

We knew him from College and then he went on to set his own business up, can't for the life of me think what it was, I think it was Photography or something similar.
Nice lad, great personality and a Miller through and through.
My mistake, same surname no relation, sorry for bothering you enjoy the rest of the weekend with your kids.

BramleyMiller58
23-09-2018, 02:03 PM
We knew him from College and then he went on to set his own business up, can't for the life of me think what it was, I think it was Photography or something similar.
Nice lad, great personality and a Miller through and through.
My mistake, same surname no relation, sorry for bothering you enjoy the rest of the weekend with your kids.

Provided you have got the right surname (Town on Angelsey) then as far as we are aware there's only us but spread far and wide.

great_fire
23-09-2018, 02:08 PM
Another rookie schoolboy error fire , we have the second richest owners in the EFL but we aren't the second richest club .

The work the club does in the community is second to none fire , the players are contractually obliged to get out in to the area and support various projects .

Stendel on arrival in england went out to a Barnsley town centre pub to watch the England world cup games and meet the fans and get a feel for the area , he even wore a German shirt , he was very well received as you can imagine .

Many things the club could do better but we are one of the better clubs who support community projects and its an ongoing process .

Key words there are "contractually obliged".

They have to force the poor pampered millionaires to do a couple of hours community work a month.

animallittle3
23-09-2018, 02:15 PM
Key words there are "contractually obliged".

They have to force the poor pampered millionaires to do a couple of hours community work a month.

It's arranged that way so that every player does his bit and it's not the same two or three getting out there all the time .

If the players have a problem with it then they don't have to sign for us , we aren't Real Madrid .

great_fire
23-09-2018, 02:23 PM
You're a socialist animal, do you think it's fair that the players are on thousands a week and most of the rest of the staff are on peanuts?

animallittle3
23-09-2018, 02:31 PM
You're a socialist animal, do you think it's fair that the players are on thousands a week and most of the rest of the staff are on peanuts?

In an ideal world the paramedics who saved Stephen's life yesterday would be on 5k a week and the footballers would be on £500 .

The world doesn't work that way though does it and it never will .

great_fire
23-09-2018, 02:41 PM
Used to be like that though, Barnsley and Rotherham players used to work down the mines in the week and play on Saturday.

millmoormagic
23-09-2018, 02:49 PM
Used to be like that though, Barnsley and Rotherham players used to work down the mines in the week and play on Saturday.


Are you advocating going backwards then gf?

great_fire
23-09-2018, 02:52 PM
Are you advocating going backwards then gf?

Not that far back but I don't think they should be paid more than £100,000 a year for kicking a ball around a bit of grass.

millmoormagic
23-09-2018, 03:04 PM
Not that far back but I don't think they should be paid more than £100,000 a year for kicking a ball around a bit of grass.

You don't agree with market forces then....

monty_rhodes
23-09-2018, 03:13 PM
Not that far back but I don't think they should be paid more than £100,000 a year for kicking a ball around a bit of grass.

The nature of the activity is entirely irrelevant, g_f. All that matters is the size of the audience prepared to watch the activity (or listen to). The medium of dissemination - radio, gramophone, movies, TV, internet - is far more important in determining reward than the intrinsic abilities of the individuals concerned.

great_fire
23-09-2018, 05:25 PM
Every season that goes past I get less interested in the Premier League, guess that feeling is not that common.

Romared
23-09-2018, 06:14 PM
I totally agree GF , maybe it's time to close this thread ? A good hardworking local fan is fighting for his life remember , we don't need to think about anything but him and his family right now .

animallittle3
23-09-2018, 07:01 PM
I totally agree GF , maybe it's time to close this thread ? A good hardworking local fan is fighting for his life remember , we don't need to think about anything but him and his family right now .

Well said .

sickly_child
23-09-2018, 07:05 PM
Agreed if GF wants to start a thread about the inequities of capitalism then maybe he should. In answer to an earlier question not all cardiac events have symptoms, in fact silent heart attacks are fairly common.

JohnLeedsMiller
24-09-2018, 11:39 AM
What are you on, and please stop taking it ?


And before you comeback with an answer over the past two weeks I've been there, got the T shirt but can still feel for the poor guy.


Football comes fu<king second

Well said.

CAMiller
24-09-2018, 11:49 AM
Closing now out of respect as suggested.