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toonfalifekevbrown
20-10-2018, 04:28 PM
Window after window we have patched up and papered over cracks instead of investing heavily in the team .Well we are getting left behind .You can't do what we do as a club in the premier League of football.

ex_pat_magpie
20-10-2018, 04:57 PM
Window after window we have patched up and papered over cracks instead of investing heavily in the team .Well we are getting left behind .You can't do what we do as a club in the premier League of football.

But there are nerds on here who think because Rafa got us to 10th we should do better.

They haven't the gumption to see that all of the owners of clubs below us and the owners of the three promoted clubs invested above us whilst the fat slug only took money out of the club instead of backing the manager.

Zippity
20-10-2018, 05:07 PM
I was going to say we're reaping what we sewed...but we didn't really 'sew' anything....and that's why we're going down.

TANYA_
20-10-2018, 05:07 PM
Window after window we have patched up and papered over cracks instead of investing heavily in the team .Well we are getting left behind .You can't do what we do as a club in the premier League of football.

this is exactly the problem Kev. Its easy to say these players finished 10th but EVERY single team strengthened significantly and got the best they could so they would be ready for the premier league. Just look at what the 3 promoted sides spent. Their ambition puts us to shame. We were the promoted side who stayed up with minimal investment yet we didnt invest again with the owner hoping for another miracle.

apparently its the spanish waiters fault

Jammy89
20-10-2018, 08:36 PM
Amazing to think were we could be if we'd had an owner that knew what an asset he'd bought where we could be.

Ashley is scum that we need rid of, or we'll just sink and sink.

pboromag
21-10-2018, 01:53 AM
But there are nerds on here who think because Rafa got us to 10th we should do better.

They haven't the gumption to see that all of the owners of clubs below us and the owners of the three promoted clubs invested above us whilst the fat slug only took money out of the club instead of backing the manager.

nope
but we certainly shouldnt be this bad

going down we wil with the manger
these players have proven they can battle and that on their day they are a top 12 team

but just keep using the same 11 all the time and only using 1 sub in a loosing game is shocking

every team knows how we will set up and how we wont change things

but look at the players and ask yourselves why we are atthe bottom

dubravka
a decent goalie
dummet a steady left back
lascelles some say a potetial england player
yedlin possibly out of his depth
fernadez a good cetre half would get in a lot of prem teams outside the top 6
ritchie when allowed to attack a good player would get in most sides in the prem or match day teams anyway
shelvey some pundits cant believe this lad isnt in the england squad
diiame was class when we were on form last season
kennedy can rip defences apar if allowed to attack and has something in front
perez will run in circles all day i cant believe rafa keeps playing him
muto judgemnet out
joselwho
why do we have him here and not mitro or gayle
the manager
run out of ideas ( dint have many in the first place )

most of that tema finished 10 last season

i would say we are better in the back with fernadez so an improvement

i would say with mitro and gayle we would be bettr up front

than we were last season

the only thing is we are playing defensive footy with attacking players

Nufcian
21-10-2018, 08:54 AM
Itís pretty obvious itís down to player quality.

The tactics yesterday saw us with massive possession and attempts... manager did his job well.

Since Summer 2017 Brighton have had a net spend of 110 million, Our net spend.... 1 million... case closed.

ghostrider
21-10-2018, 09:07 AM
It’s pretty obvious it’s down to player quality.

The tactics yesterday saw us with massive possession and attempts... manager did his job well.

Since Summer 2017 Brighton have had a net spend of 110 million, Our net spend.... 1 million... case closed. Are Brighton a better squad than we are for that 110 million net spend?

ronandtet
21-10-2018, 09:10 AM
Are Brighton a better squad than we are for that 110 million net spend?

well they beat us and are more likely to survive than we ars

Andy1981_2
21-10-2018, 09:24 AM
One interesting thing I spotted yesterday at the match was that Knockaert was an unused sub for them. If you remember when both teams came up, he was their star man (and we allegedly wanted to buy him). Now he's an unused sub in a game against relegation rivals away from home. I looked at our bench, conversely, and we'd named Atsu and Joselu as our two attacking subs.

The underinvestment in the side, and the transfer policy (whosever it is - the club's or Rafa's - doesn't change the point) has left us in a position where if we now get relegated we don't have the assets to sell to raise funds, like we did last time with Sissoko and Wijnaldum. So, that means either increasing the debt substantially in order to buy some players AND to cope with the shortfall in revenue, or being at risk of failing to come back up. Chances of selling the club are zero for this very reason.

trinitoon
21-10-2018, 09:41 AM
Carrying on from the previous post, we'd just be fed the narrative that the club is a victim of circumstance so the debt would prevent us from investing in the team.

...when actually the truth is more like a lack of investment in the team continually leads us to the upheaval of relegation.

I remember ranting in the thread about "big teams". A key criteria before you try to slap that label on your chest is that you have to spend big. BIG.

When it comes to spending we are minnows. This is borne out by the quality of football we play.

If you think this is all bullsh? ....look at the table.

Byker Mag
21-10-2018, 09:47 AM
But there are nerds on here who think because Rafa got us to 10th we should do better.

They haven't the gumption to see that all of the owners of clubs below us and the owners of the three promoted clubs invested above us whilst the fat slug only took money out of the club instead of backing the manager.

Spurs and Chelsea played in flip flops , in reality we narrowly avoided relegation

ex_pat_magpie
21-10-2018, 09:55 AM
Are Brighton a better squad than we are for that 110 million net spend?

Brighton 12th, ELEVEN POINTS

Newcastle United 20th, TWO POINTS

DOES THAT ANSWER ONE OF THE MOST STUPID QUESTIONS ASKED ON HERE.

ghostrider
21-10-2018, 11:42 AM
Brighton 12th, ELEVEN POINTS

Newcastle United 20th, TWO POINTS

DOES THAT ANSWER ONE OF THE MOST STUPID QUESTIONS ASKED ON HERE.

Nope, it does not.

Geordie1974
21-10-2018, 01:03 PM
Nope, it does not.

Why doesn't it?Explain please.

ex_pat_magpie
21-10-2018, 01:05 PM
Why doesn't it?Explain please.

He can't he just wants attention by arguing stupidly.

ghostrider
21-10-2018, 01:25 PM
Why doesn't it?Explain please.

I didn't ask if Brighton were in a better league position. I asked if they were a better squad than we are.
Now do you see why it doesn't answer the question.

ghostrider
21-10-2018, 01:26 PM
He can't he just wants attention by arguing stupidly.

No. I asked a question and you gave an answer that wasn't acceptable to me.

ex_pat_magpie
21-10-2018, 01:37 PM
No. I asked a question and you gave an answer that wasn't acceptable to me.
Well Brighton have 5and a1/2 more points than us and eight places above us with almost a quarter of the season gone.


Is that plain enough and would you say if the positions were reversed then we would have a better squad than Brighton.


And when ever was all coal mined a pure white?

ghostrider
21-10-2018, 01:41 PM
Well Brighton have 5and a1/2 more points than us and eight places above us with almost a quarter of the season gone.


Is that plain enough and would you say if the positions were reversed then we would have a better squad than Brighton.


And when ever was all coal mined a pure white?

Ok, so by that logic we can accept that Bournemouth have a better squad than Man Utd, right?

ex_pat_magpie
21-10-2018, 01:49 PM
Ok, so by that logic we can accept that Bournemouth have a better squad than Man Utd, right?

Tell me have Bournemouth five and a half points,(77points) more than Manuure and are they eight places higher in the league.

ex_pat_magpie
21-10-2018, 01:49 PM
Ok, so by that logic we can accept that Bournemouth have a better squad than Man Utd, right?

Tell me have Bournemouth five and a half points,(77points) more than Manuure and are they eight places higher in the league.

ronandtet
21-10-2018, 01:51 PM
Ok, so by that logic we can accept that Bournemouth have a better squad than Man Utd, right?

have bournemouth beaten manu?

brighton have beaten us so there team must be better than us - they will survive our survival is looking shakey

ghostrider
21-10-2018, 01:58 PM
Tell me have Bournemouth five and a half points,(77points) more than Manuure and are they eight places higher in the league.

The same so called logic applies if you want to put Brighton on a points pedestal to argue they are better,s quad wise.
The same can be said of Bournemouth in that scenario regardless of 3 and not 5 and a half points.

ghostrider
21-10-2018, 02:00 PM
have bournemouth beaten manu?

brighton have beaten us so there team must be better than us - they will survive our survival is looking shakey

Their team does not have to be better than us. It won the game but did not prove a better team.
We were by far the better team, overall.

ex_pat_magpie
21-10-2018, 02:02 PM
The same so called logic applies if you want to put Brighton on a points pedestal to argue they are better,s quad wise.
The same can be said of Bournemouth in that scenario regardless of 3 and not 5 and a half points.

Now you are talking utter bullshyte. I'll bet you don't even understand your own reasoning. :zzz:

ghostrider
21-10-2018, 02:02 PM
Now you are talking utter bullshyte. I'll bet you don't even understand your own reasoning. :zzz:

I'm trying to understand yours.

ex_pat_magpie
21-10-2018, 02:11 PM
I'm trying to understand yours.

You never will if you reason with your arse rather than your braincell.

ghostrider
21-10-2018, 02:14 PM
You never will if you reason with your arse rather than your braincell.

We'll leave it at that.
You believe Brighton have a better squad and I don't think they do. Fair enough?

Geordie1974
21-10-2018, 02:16 PM
We'll leave it at that.
You believe Brighton have a better squad and I don't think they do. Fair enough?

They will finish above Newcastle.With or without Rafa here.

ghostrider
21-10-2018, 02:19 PM
They will finish above Newcastle.With or without Rafa here.

With Rafa here they just might. Without Rafa I think we'll finish the season in a decent place and higher than them.
We'll just have to see how the season pans out.

Geordie1974
21-10-2018, 02:25 PM
I fear for your sanity when your fat friend eventually does leave.What will you use on here for your craic.
You think Ashley is good for Newcastle,I think he is a thieving,lying fat parasite that treats people like shyte.If you can defend a man like that,good luck to you.
Enough said as far as I am concerned.Like going round in circles.Day after day,week after week.

ghostrider
21-10-2018, 02:43 PM
I fear for your sanity when your fat friend eventually does leave.What will you use on here for your craic.
The same as I've always used. Newcastle United chat about anything and everything that takes my fancy. Just like you and everyone else associated with forums, really.
This will happen whether Ashley or whoever is in charge.


You think Ashley is good for Newcastle,I think he is a thieving,lying fat parasite that treats people like shyte.
Yes I think Ashley is good for a north east club like Newcastle in this sickening money climate of elitist clubs and officials dictating the demise of clubs trying to hang onto the coat-tails.
I want a bit more but I'd prefer a decent manager who can and will get his team to play football.


If you can defend a man like that,good luck to you.

It's not about good luck, it's about better the devil you know.


Enough said as far as I am concerned.Like going round in circles.Day after day,week after week.Your prerogative.

Jammy89
21-10-2018, 03:19 PM
It's not about good luck, it's about better the devil you know.


By that logic we'd still be in the stone age.

"oh well, we don't want to use these iron weapons, better to stick to bronze. . . better the devil you know"

ghostrider
21-10-2018, 03:30 PM
By that logic we'd still be in the stone age.

"oh well, we don't want to use these iron weapons, better to stick to bronze. . . better the devil you know"

Not necessarily.

ex_pat_magpie
21-10-2018, 05:38 PM
Their team does not have to be better than us. It won the game but did not prove a better team.
We were by far the better team, overall.

So by your logic if we lose all of our remaining Premiership matches this season but have over 50% possession of the remaining games and more shots on target than our competitors and finish bottom with the two points we have you will claim we are better than the teams who have beaten us.

All of the above is rationalised to the Brighton game with all of the stats in our favour apart that is from the most important stat of all THE RESULT ALONG WITH THE POINTS.

ghostrider
21-10-2018, 06:15 PM
So by your logic if we lose all of our remaining Premiership matches this season but have over 50% possession of the remaining games and more shots on target than our competitors and finish bottom with the two points we have you will claim we are better than the teams who have beaten us.

All of the above is rationalised to the Brighton game with all of the stats in our favour apart that is from the most important stat of all THE RESULT ALONG WITH THE POINTS.

Who's talking about possession?