Couldn't believe my ears today...

[Turnbull_Hutton]

when I heard this.

That's right, a murder sentence was reduced because "cultural factors" were not taken into account!

What sort of country is this becoming? - view external link (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-25637764)

[1995_Oh_My_Sides_]

The country that Mook wants.

He'll be on in a minute to tell us that anybody who commits murder should be locked up regardless of race, colour, blah blah blah :zzz: :zzz: :zzz:

[Mook1]

As far as I'm concerned it was wrong to reduce the sentence on 'cultural grounds', it's not like they'd just gotten off the plane. Not the country that I want at all, it's farcical.

Apologies AJ that this doesn't fit in with your agenda.

[Turnbull_Hutton]

As far as I'm concerned it was wrong to reduce the sentence on 'cultural grounds', it's not like they'd just gotten off the plane. Not the country that I want at all, it's farcical.

Apologies AJ that this doesn't fit in with your agenda.

It shouldn't matter whether they had just got off the plane or not - being from a certain part of the world should have no bearing on the sentence, full stop.

[Mook1]

As far as I'm concerned it was wrong to reduce the sentence on 'cultural grounds', it's not like they'd just gotten off the plane. Not the country that I want at all, it's farcical.

Apologies AJ that this doesn't fit in with your agenda.

It shouldn't matter whether they had just got off the plane or not - being from a certain part of the world should have no bearing on the sentence, full stop.[/quote]

Fair point, I meant you could maybe see the logic in it if they'd only been here 5 minutes but as it is, there is no logic at all.

[BertrandRussell]

Seems to be a growing number of Tims on here showing intolerance towards other cultures, especially ones immigrating to Britain.

The sheer hypocrisy of it is, if nothing else, amusing.

If anything, it demonstrates that these religions stuck in the Dark Ages need to be treated with the contempt they deserve (not the people, the religions). I include the Roman Catholic Church, which is one of the most diabolical institutions to exist in the world today.

The sooner we discard all this cr@p and learn that morality should come from human decency, the better.

[ricos_beard]

Befor you all go a bit daily mail, the minimum term was reduced and I would hardly say it was a massive reduction.

[JimmyHaze]

Seems to be a growing number of Tims on here showing intolerance towards other cultures, especially ones immigrating to Britain.

The sheer hypocrisy of it is, if nothing else, amusing.

If anything, it demonstrates that these religions stuck in the Dark Ages need to be treated with the contempt they deserve (not the people, the religions). I include the Roman Catholic Church, which is one of the most diabolical institutions to exist in the world today.

The sooner we discard all this cr@p and learn that morality should come from human decency, the better.

Whats this story got to do with religion ? and whatever you have against the catholic church which I cant see anything listed in this story you could quite easily have the same against the british states history over the years or any countrys governments over the years

[1995_Oh_My_Sides_]

Befor you all go a bit daily mail, the minimum term was reduced and I would hardly say it was a massive reduction.

Well done on completely missing the point.

[mitherzundhand]

If they murderers were cultural background of the Orange Order they would have got their sentences increased.

[BertrandRussell]

Whats this story got to do with religion ?

Are you suggesting arranged marriages have nothing to do with religion?

[Poguemahone]

If they murderers were cultural background of the Orange Order they would have got their sentences increased.

Ffs...H*nbelievable.

[1995_Oh_My_Sides_]

If they murderers were cultural background of the Orange Order they would have got their sentences increased.

But they weren't, so shut up.

[JimmyHaze]

Whats this story got to do with religion ?

Are you suggesting arranged marriages have nothing to do with religion?[/quote]

arranged marriages are probably more a cultural thing but religion may play a part

[mitherzundhand]

If they murderers were cultural background of the Orange Order they would have got their sentences increased.

Ffs...H*nbelievable.[/quote]

Stuck for words are you? >:)

[Taintedice]

Mook gets offended if you say anything about Muslims, yet nowhere to be seen when his halfwit brother is spewing his bigotry everywhere. The only conclusion is that he's also a bigot, which most people knew anyway.

Disgusting pair.

[Poguemahone]

Mook gets offended if you say anything about Muslims, yet nowhere to be seen when his halfwit brother is spewing his bigotry everywhere. The only conclusion is that he's also a bigot, which most people knew anyway.

Disgusting pair.

I couldn't have described that pair of bellends any better...great post.

[BertrandRussell]

Arranged marriage is only really practised by Hindus and Muslims. Seems to be a cultural and religious thing.

Either way, it's absolutely bonkers and as I said 'Dark Ages'.

[JimmyHaze]

Arranged marriage is only really practised by Hindus and Muslims. Seems to be a cultural and religious thing.

Either way, it's absolutely bonkers and as I said 'Dark Ages'.

Theres a theory it was quite often caused by poverty, and was a way to survive which is why it died out in the west

[BertrandRussell]

Seems a fairly sound theory. However, these cultures - who are relatively well off here - still choose to practise it in the UK.

The authorities should take a dim view of it, instead of turning a blind eye.

[JimmyHaze]

Seems a fairly sound theory. However, these cultures - who are relatively well off here - still choose to practise it in the UK.

The authorities should take a dim view of it, instead of turning a blind eye.

The Royals were doing it until quite recently which would have been based on power I guess, takes time I guess to change what becomes a tradition

[BertrandRussell]

Royalty is also a remnant of the past which we would do well to discard, in my opinion.

[JimmyHaze]

I dont care what people believe in or are a part of, its how they act as an individual i think is all that matters

[Sir_Walter_Timslayer]

If they murderers were cultural background of the Orange Order they would have got their sentences increased.

But they weren't, so shut up.[/quote]

So with all this "religiously aggravated" stuff getting you an increased sentence. :? Why is this not a case of a religiously aggravated murder? :? :? :?

[1995_Oh_My_Sides_]

If they murderers were cultural background of the Orange Order they would have got their sentences increased.

But they weren't, so shut up.[/quote]

So with all this "religiously aggravated" stuff getting you an increased sentence. :? Why is this not a case of a religiously aggravated murder? :? :? :?[/quote]

Because in this phucked up Hell hole that we live in we are sh1t scared to offend muslims and *****foot around them at every opportunity.

[BertrandRussell]

I couldn't agree more. Unfortunately, quite often people act in a certain way because of what they believe in. As I said above, I am having a go at the organised religions themselves, not the people who participate in organised religion.

Hopefully education will see it off in time.

[Sir_Walter_Timslayer]

If they murderers were cultural background of the Orange Order they would have got their sentences increased.

But they weren't, so shut up.[/quote]

So with all this "religiously aggravated" stuff getting you an increased sentence. :? Why is this not a case of a religiously aggravated murder? :? :? :?[/quote]

Because in this phucked up Hell hole that we live in we are sh1t scared to offend muslims and *****foot around them at every opportunity.[/quote]

Pity they don't *****foot about Ulster Loyalists then ? ;D

[JimmyHaze]

I couldn't agree more. Unfortunately, quite often people act in a certain way because of what they believe in. As I said above, I am having a go at the organised religions themselves, not the people who participate in organised religion.

Hopefully education will see it off in time.

you could also say people act in a certain way against people because of a perceived grouping they belong too, I like difference as it would be a boring place if everyone was same

if we are to do away with organised religion , then organised politics and nationality also should go

[Sir_Walter_Timslayer]

If anything, it demonstrates that these religions stuck in the Dark Ages need to be treated with the contempt they deserve (not the people, the religions). I include the Roman Catholic Church, which is one of the most diabolical institutions to exist in the world today.

.

You could find yourself in the Salmond Ministry of Love for that :s

[BertrandRussell]

I also agree about difference being a good thing.

People should respect one another, no matter their beliefs. Unfortunately, humans have shown they can't be trusted to do this. Religion is based on fear and ignorance whereas nationality (based on your birthplace and ancestry) and politics (which is required to avoid chaos) are not.

[JimmyHaze]

I also agree about difference being a good thing.

People should respect one another, no matter their beliefs. Unfortunately, humans have shown they can't be trusted to do this. Religion is based on fear and ignorance whereas nationality (based on your birthplace and ancestry) and politics (which is required to avoid chaos) are not.

I,m not so sure about that I think Religion,Politics and Nationality on the big scale all comes down to the same thing and thats power in the end, its just power evolved. It all goes back to that first tribe splitting in 2. If anything we maybe need to evolve past it all. Its all made up and theres nothing wrong with that as we have to justify our existence somehow.

[BertrandRussell]

We're all from Africa anyway. :D

Personally, I think religion just hinders humankind, whereas politics can be beneficial. The nationality thing is open to argument but I think our national differences are a good thing.

[1995_Oh_My_Sides_]

If they murderers were cultural background of the Orange Order they would have got their sentences increased.

But they weren't, so shut up.[/quote]

So with all this "religiously aggravated" stuff getting you an increased sentence. :? Why is this not a case of a religiously aggravated murder? :? :? :?[/quote]

Because in this phucked up Hell hole that we live in we are sh1t scared to offend muslims and *****foot around them at every opportunity.[/quote]

Pity they don't *****foot about Ulster Loyalists then ? ;D[/quote]

I don't pay much attention to them. And they don't try and blow me up.

[Poguemahone]

I also agree about difference being a good thing.

People should respect one another, no matter their beliefs. Unfortunately, humans have shown they can't be trusted to do this. Religion is based on fear and ignorance whereas nationality (based on your birthplace and ancestry) and politics (which is required to avoid chaos) are not.

Well there are plenty of British people whose nationality is not based upon their "birthplace and ancestry" hence more people in these islands rightfully see themselves as Scottish, English, Irish or Welsh...any old ****rel can be British these days as they give out citizenships like confetti!

[BertrandRussell]

Here's Poguey the anti-immigration Celtic fan.

You couldnae make this clown up. XD

[JimmyHaze]

We're all from Africa anyway. :D

Personally, I think religion just hinders humankind, whereas politics can be beneficial. The nationality thing is open to argument but I think our national differences are a good thing.

Politics has as much bad as religion has and religion has as much good as politics has when you weigh it all up same with nationality

as I say its all made up the whole lot

[1995_Oh_My_Sides_]

Here's Poguey the anti-immigration Celtic fan.

You couldnae make this clown up. XD

You're basing the entire Celtic supports view on that of the odious Green Brigade. There's tims from Lands End to John O'Groats who will have the same feelings as Pogue.

[1995_Oh_My_Sides_]

We're all from Africa anyway. :D

Personally, I think religion just hinders humankind, whereas politics can be beneficial. The nationality thing is open to argument but I think our national differences are a good thing.

"We're all from Africa anyway" :D

Some of us even shop there for a wife. :D

[Poguemahone]

Here's Poguey the anti-immigration Celtic fan.

You couldnae make this clown up. XD

You seem to have a problem with a Celtic fan having severe concerns about the huge immigration problem...you and your ilk are so steeped in trying to be super prods/Brits/anti-Catholic that you miss the bigger picture...as for clowns you take the biscuit on that one on a daily basis.

[JimmyHaze]

I think england is massively overcrowded now, and it makes no sense to have let it get so crowded in such a short space of time

[Sir_Walter_Timslayer]

I also agree about difference being a good thing.

People should respect one another, no matter their beliefs. Unfortunately, humans have shown they can't be trusted to do this. Religion is based on fear and ignorance whereas nationality (based on your birthplace and ancestry) and politics (which is required to avoid chaos) are not.

Well there are plenty of British people whose nationality is not based upon their "birthplace and ancestry" hence more people in these islands rightfully see themselves as Scottish, English, Irish or Welsh...any old ****rel can be British these days as they give out citizenships like confetti![/quote]

"ny old ****rel can be British these days as they give out citizenships like confetti!"

There's this Nick Griffin chap, you and him would hit it off just fine. You might meet him at Parkhead someday when he's taking in one of his beloved Celtic'

[JimmyHaze]

I also agree about difference being a good thing.

People should respect one another, no matter their beliefs. Unfortunately, humans have shown they can't be trusted to do this. Religion is based on fear and ignorance whereas nationality (based on your birthplace and ancestry) and politics (which is required to avoid chaos) are not.

Well there are plenty of British people whose nationality is not based upon their "birthplace and ancestry" hence more people in these islands rightfully see themselves as Scottish, English, Irish or Welsh...any old ****rel can be British these days as they give out citizenships like confetti![/quote]

"ny old ****rel can be British these days as they give out citizenships like confetti!"

There's this Nick Griffin chap, you and him would hit it off just fine. You might meet him at Parkh

[Taintedice]

Seems a fairly sound theory. However, these cultures - who are relatively well off here - still choose to practise it in the UK.

The authorities should take a dim view of it, instead of turning a blind eye.It's only your friendly, peace-loving muslims who still engage in forced marriages, the real peace-lovers, the hindus, do not.

[EastStand_Elite]

Seems a fairly sound theory. However, these cultures - who are relatively well off here - still choose to practise it in the UK.

The authorities should take a dim view of it, instead of turning a blind eye.It's only your friendly, peace-loving muslims who still engage in forced marriages, the real peace-lovers, the hindus, do not.[/quote]

Correct, only a knob like woland would argue that.

[Poguemahone]

You are no the brightest Walter but if you are happy with the mass immigration in to the country and easiness in gaining British Citizenship then that's your prerogative.

As for Nick Griffin its more likely that you will find his supporters leafleting outside Ipox than Celtic Park.

I would reiterate you are no the brightest wee Bear in the woods!!!

[Poguemahone]

I think england is massively overcrowded now, and it makes no sense to have let it get so crowded in such a short space of time

"Overcrowded" is an under-statement Jimmy and the South Of England has huge problems.

[Taintedice]

daft walter would be better asking his 'dame' to slip into some racy nightwear and be off with himself, like last night :s

[BertrandRussell]

Correct, only a knob like woland would argue that.

Or The Hindustan Times...

Some of you Dundonian morons really know how to make yourselves look stupid, continually.

"An opinion poll of 15,000 people, carried out in January by Delhi's Centre for the Study of Developing Societies, found that 70% of Indians thought parents should have the final say in marriage. Less than a third of young people said it was OK to "date"."

XD - view external link (http://www.hindustantimes.com/lifestyle/***andrelationships/modern-india-still-prefer-arranged-marriages/article1-214562.aspx)

[Sir_Walter_Timslayer]

You are no the brightest Walter but if you are happy with the mass immigration in to the country and easiness in gaining British Citizenship then that's your prerogative.

As for Nick Griffin its more likely that you will find his supporters leafleting outside Ipox than Celtic Park.

I would reiterate you are no the brightest wee Bear in the woods!!!

I may not be the brightest wee bear in the woods, but I'm smart enough to know that "mass migration" in Britain today is a myth. Worse than that, an evil xenophobic myth spread by the vile bigoted rags that pollute our public spaces. The kind of rags that hit us with headlines about "28 million Romanians and Bulgarians are now free to descend on Britain" (I paraphrase). They are right enough, they add together the populations of the two countries, so in one sense they are right. But they don't print "60 million Britons now free to emigrate to Romania or Bulgaria"

[Sir_Walter_Timslayer]

I also agree about difference being a good thing.

People should respect one another, no matter their beliefs. Unfortunately, humans have shown they can't be trusted to do this. Religion is based on fear and ignorance whereas nationality (based on your birthplace and ancestry) and politics (which is required to avoid chaos) are not.

Well there are plenty of British people whose nationality is not based upon their "birthplace and ancestry" hence more people in these islands rightfully see themselves as Scottish, English, Irish or Welsh...any old ****rel can be British these days as they give out citizenships like confetti![/quote]

"ny old ****rel can be British these days as they give out citizenships like confetti!"

There's this Nick Griffin chap, you and him would hi

[Sir_Walter_Timslayer]

daft walter would be better asking his 'dame' to slip into some racy nightwear and be off with himself, like last night :s

And did you get your end away last night mate? ;D

[EastStand_Elite]

Correct, only a knob like woland would argue that.

Or The Hindustan Times...

Some of you Dundonian morons really know how to make yourselves look stupid, continually.

"An opinion poll of 15,000 people, carried out in January by Delhi's Centre for the Study of Developing Societies, found that 70% of Indians thought parents should have the final say in marriage. Less than a third of young people said it was OK to "date"."

XD[/quote]why are you telling me? I couldn't give less of a phuck :?

[BertrandRussell]

You stuck your ill-informed, moronic nose in anyway.

:? XD

[EastStand_Elite]

You stuck your ill-informed, moronic nose in anyway.

:? XD

To try and get a bite from you, guess what the outcome was?

[BertrandRussell]

The outcome was you look like an ill-informed moron.

:)

[EastStand_Elite]

The outcome was you look like an ill-informed moron.

:)

Okay, I'll let other posters make up their own minds :)

[Poguemahone]

You are no the brightest Walter but if you are happy with the mass immigration in to the country and easiness in gaining British Citizenship then that's your prerogative.

As for Nick Griffin its more likely that you will find his supporters leafleting outside Ipox than Celtic Park.

I would reiterate you are no the brightest wee Bear in the woods!!!

I may not be the brightest wee bear in the woods, but I'm smart enough to know that "mass migration" in Britain today is a myth. Worse than that, an evil xenophobic myth spread by the vile bigoted rags that pollute our public spaces. The kind of rags that hit us with headlines about "28 million Romanians and Bulgarians are now free to descend on Britain" (I paraphrase). They are right enough, they add together the populations of the two countries, so in one sense they are right. But they don't print "60 million Britons now fr

[Taintedice]

Correct, only a knob like woland would argue that.

Or The Hindustan Times...

Some of you Dundonian morons really know how to make yourselves look stupid, continually.

"An opinion poll of 15,000 people, carried out in January by Delhi's Centre for the Study of Developing Societies, found that 70% of Indians thought parents should have the final say in marriage. Less than a third of young people said it was OK to "date"."

XD[/quote]This post completely destroys your ignorant ramblings on arranged marriage :s

[BertrandRussell]

Aye ok Walter its all "an evil xenophobic myth" and there is no problem with immigration in England's Green And Pleasant Land...we all live happily together in a lovely mix of cultures and endorse our 'Britishness'...you are too smart for me!

P&O Time for Poguey, unless he's a hypocrite. :D

[Taintedice]

Woland, yer a bigot, why not just keep your posts in line with that.

[happytim]

back to the op,s point.

why get the sentence reduced for cultural reasons.

they were tried and found guilty in a british court. if they want to be tried and convicted on cultural grounds ie sharia law, them maybe thier sentence would be a lot more serious than just a jail term.

the hypocrisy of some muslims and the soft touch of our government are a joke.

this government or previous ones dont have control over our borders or even laws.

[EastStand_Elite]

Personally I think the woman nearly never got caught as she was watching the detectives, it's so cute. :D

[BertrandRussell]

this government or previous ones dont have control over our borders or even laws.

Vote UKIP. XD

[happytim]

point is woland this country is letting in criminals from romania and bulgaria and has done for a long time.

isnt a government meant to protect its people.

the uk isnt big enough to ahave a free for all, and not as if anyone wants to fek off to bulgaria to even the numbers up.

[BertrandRussell]

Do you have figures or facts to back up your claim about criminals from Romania and Bulgaria coming into the UK?

[happytim]

the police have facts woland and have quoted them to the media.

[Taintedice]

Do you have figures or facts to back up your claim about criminals from Romania and Bulgaria coming into the UK?This is more embarrassing than mook's '99%' nonsense.

[1995_Oh_My_Sides_]

Just saw his pic. He owned a kebab shop in Kilbirnie.

[Turnbull_Hutton]

Just saw his pic. He owned a kebab shop in Kilbirnie.

I'm originally from Kilbirnie mate B)

Still live pretty close B)

[1995_Oh_My_Sides_]

Just saw his pic. He owned a kebab shop in Kilbirnie.

I'm originally from Kilbirnie mate B)

Still live pretty close B)[/quote]

Fudston, Milton or Garden City area?

[BertrandRussell]

the police have facts woland and have quoted them to the media.

I'm still waiting.

[Turnbull_Hutton]

Just saw his pic. He owned a kebab shop in Kilbirnie.

I'm originally from Kilbirnie mate B)

Still live pretty close B)[/quote]

Fudston, Milton or Garden City area?[/quote]

Fudstone then Milton. Do you drink in Ram Jams? :D

[1995_Oh_My_Sides_]

Just saw his pic. He owned a kebab shop in Kilbirnie.

I'm originally from Kilbirnie mate B)

Still live pretty close B)[/quote]

Fudston, Milton or Garden City area?[/quote]

Fudstone then Milton. Do you drink in Ram Jams? :D[/quote]

Yip, that's the last pub left in the toon. And you took the same path as me, Fudstone then Milton :D

If you're in your 40s you will know me. :s

[Turnbull_Hutton]

Just saw his pic. He owned a kebab shop in Kilbirnie.

I'm originally from Kilbirnie mate B)

Still live pretty close B)[/quote]


Fudston, Milton or Garden City area?[/quote]

Fudstone then Milton. Do you drink in Ram Jams? :D[/quote]

Yip, that's the last pub left in the toon. And you took the same path as me, Fudstone then Milton :D

If you're in your 40s you will know me. :s[/quote]

I have still been known to have the odd pint in the Glendale when passing.

I moved out the town 10 years ago. I'm 33 but might still know you.

[Taintedice]

the police have facts woland and have quoted them to the media.

I'm still waiting.[/quote]Wait till they hit Clerrie ffs, you won't be so smug then.

"Up to one in three Romanian migrants have been arrested" :/

[1995_Oh_My_Sides_]

Just saw his pic. He owned a kebab shop in Kilbirnie.

I'm originally from Kilbirnie mate B)

Still live pretty close B)[/quote]


Fudston, Milton or Garden City area?[/quote]

Fudstone then Milton. Do you drink in Ram Jams? :D[/quote]

Yip, that's the last pub left in the toon. And you took the same path as me, Fudstone then Milton :D

If you're in your 40s you will know me. :s[/quote]

I have still been known to have the odd pint in the Glendale when passing.

I moved out the town 10 years ago. I'm 33 but might still know you.[/quote]

You don't stay in the Gourock/Greenock by any chance do you?

And the Glendale is the cheapest pub in Glengarnock, accor

[Turnbull_Hutton]

Just saw his pic. He owned a kebab shop in Kilbirnie.

I'm originally from Kilbirnie mate B)

Still live pretty close B)[/quote]


Fudston, Milton or Garden City area?[/quote]

Fudstone then Milton. Do you drink in Ram Jams? :D[/quote]

Yip, that's the last pub left in the toon. And you took the same path as me, Fudstone then Milton :D

If you're in your 40s you will know me. :s[/quote]

I have still been known to have the odd pint in the Glendale when passing.

I moved out the town 10 years ago. I'm 33 but might still know you.[/quote]

You don't stay in the Gourock/Greenock by any chance do you?

And

[1995_Oh_My_Sides_]

Just saw his pic. He owned a kebab shop in Kilbirnie.

I'm originally from Kilbirnie mate B)

Still live pretty close B)[/quote]


Fudston, Milton or Garden City area?[/quote]

Fudstone then Milton. Do you drink in Ram Jams? :D[/quote]

Yip, that's the last pub left in the toon. And you took the same path as me, Fudstone then Milton :D

If you're in your 40s you will know me. :s[/quote]

I have still been known to have the odd pint in the Glendale when passing.

I moved out the town 10 years ago. I'm 33 but might still know you.[/quote]

You don't sta