Independence Day!

[GrayBlade]

Anybody else stopped up all night?

We're nearly there. The sun is coming up. The glass of whisky is tasting so good.

COME ON!!

[SirAlanKelly]

Watched the lot with eager eyes gray! 2 young boys under the age of five to look after, hope i and a lot more people than i thought have made the right decision!

[Bladesmanluke]

I'll drink to that!

[GrayBlade]

People think that the older generation voted out for their own ends but I don't think that's true.

I voted out because I could see how things have changed in recent years and the direction this country was going. If anything it'll have a negative effect on me, but I dread to think what type of country my kids and grandkids would grow up in unless we took back control now. The kids are my priority, I've run my race.

It's ten past five AM and I'm going to bed now with a happy heart. Nighty night Blades! :)

[CHIPBUTTYBLADE]

Anybody else stopped up all night?

We're nearly there. The sun is coming up. The glass of whisky is tasting so good.

COME ON!!

Watched it all,i am just going to bed now at 05.14 seen the Leave total just eclipse the remain vote by a million votes.

Amazing fact tho,Liverpool,Manchester and Leeds all voted to Remain,while Sheffield voted Leave.

And all those money men in the City between 10pm and 11pm were lumping on Remain £ was $1.50 then its now dropped to $1.35 ooooops for them bankers.

Alex Sammond kept it lighthearted with his betting quotes direct off his mobile phone.

Independence Day for the UK B)

[ThePits]

People think that the older generation voted out for their own ends but I don't think that's true.

I voted out because I could see how things have changed in recent years and the direction this country was going. If anything it'll have a negative effect on me, but I dread to think what type of country my kids and grandkids would grow up in unless we took back control now. The kids are my priority, I've run my race.

It's ten past five AM and I'm going to bed now with a happy heart. Nighty night Blades! :)

Spot on Gray. Had you asked me 18 months - 2 years ago I would never have imagined voting out but I have been appalled by the actions of the EU since then and seen enough to change my mind. Like you, it was my kids that swung it in the end. Whilst I expect some short term disruption I fully expect Britain to steady itself and thrive again.

Can't wait to the look on Cameron/Osbourne/Merkel's face.

[Ayamonteblade]

Am in Greece at the moment. ..... it's wall to wall coverage ..... we've done what they wanted to do

[diode_blade]

"you do not shoot that green sh1t at me..":P

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Yup watched it all night, Hopefully it is the wake up call our politicians need to start listening to the people more, and engage more.
UTB

[toronto_blade]

Empty suit Obama told the UK to remain,poking his nose in, none of his business.

I wonder what the Americans would do if Mexico could dictate to them.

[bulmer1889]

The door won't close completely but at least we've got a hold of it now instead of it blowing wide open might have a few uncomfortable yrs but we will come out of this better off in the long run imo

[blades58]

Friday time is party time, I say Friday time is party time ...................................... :)

[blades58]

Is this the beginning of the end for the EU?

Those on the top table in Brussels are who I consider to be the "FIFA of politics". Those on the top table who claim £48k/annum in expenses that they don't even have to provide receipts for. Those on the top table who operate a closed shop, deciding our future with no form of recourse and those on the top table may well be quaking in their boots this morning, because this will have consequences far reaching, way and above whats happened to the UK this morning

[aussieowl]

I get the feeling you're slightly chuffed with the outcome 58..;D

[RamonFlick]

Watched it all,i am just going to bed now at 05.14 seen the Leave total just eclipse the remain vote by a million votes.

Amazing fact tho,Liverpool,Manchester and Leeds all voted to Remain,while Sheffield voted Leave.

And all those money men in the City between 10pm and 11pm were lumping on Remain £ was $1.50 then its now dropped to $1.35 ooooops for them bankers.

Alex Sammond kept it lighthearted with his betting quotes direct off his mobile phone.

Independence Day for the UK B)

Doesn't surprise me at all about the city votes.

Sheffield is light years behind those cities in terms of forward thinking attitudes. I blame the council largely but do think the archetypal Sheffield attitude supports them.

Liverpool was like that but has eventually seen the light. If we had been more progressive like them, didn't live in the past, you'd quite probably seen a different outcome here too.

[FatherKnowsBest]

I'm a 'Leave' myself, but I can't see much grounds for some huge celebration. I felt that it had to be done, but both routes were fraught with problems and we have chosen the more difficult of the two. Were we right? It will take us at 10 years to find out, imo.

I only hope for my kids sake that we don't end up regretting taking the advice of Johnson, Gove and Farage, none of whom I would pee on if they were on fire.

[blades58]

I get the feeling you're slightly chuffed with the outcome 58..;D

Morning Aussie (or should that be evening? :) )

I'm not wallowing in it, no because I think we are about to have a period of time where there'll be a lot of heartache for this country

However, contrary to what the remain campaign have been saying regards voting in for the sake of our kids future, I believe that the tough times over the next few years will subside, we will adapt because we are good at doing that and that in 10 years time, we will look back at "Independance Day" and realise it was the right decision for this country and definately right for our kids.

[18blade89]

Off to watch Inependance day at the cinema later on our Independence day B)

[Ucandomagic]

Been up all night and won't sleep for a week.

Empty bottle of Lagavulin in front of me and a feeling that I haven't felt since TC sat on the ball against Arsenal.

We've taken our club back and now we have taken our country back for our children and our grandchildren. It's now up to them what they do with it.

Rule Britannia.

UTB

[ThePits]

I'm a 'Leave' myself, but I can't see much grounds for some huge celebration. I felt that it had to be done, but both routes were fraught with problems and we have chosen the more difficult of the two. Were we right? It will take us at 10 years to find out, imo.

I only hope for my kids sake that we don't end up regretting taking the advice of Johnson, Gove and Farage, none of whom I would pee on if they were on fire.

I hear that FKB and share your concerns but I haven't voted based on the arguments of the unholy trio you mention, rather I have been much more interested in the likes of Frank Field and Gisella Stewart who have articulated very good reasons to leave for a long time. As you say, the road won't be easy but it's better to so it now and get the hard stuff out of the way before the EU gets even bigger and even more bureaucratic.

Just on my way back from Minorca myself, sat in Mahon airport and I have to say that there is a muted, somewhat shellshocked atmosphere.

[RavBlade]

Empty suit Obama told the UK to remain,poking his nose in, none of his business.

I wonder what the Americans would do if Mexico could dictate to them.

Obama stuck his nose in because of the contreversial TTIP agreement which was being steamrollered through by the EU, and in which big business was the main beneficiary. Probably steered by Merkel, Tusk, Hollande et al.

[RavBlade]

The will of the people has spoken. :) MPs take note, start listening now.

[18blade89]

Breaking news saying that David Cameron is stepping down and will be announced shortly. So what happens now :?

[RavBlade]

Breaking news saying that David Cameron is stepping down and will be announced shortly. So what happens now :?

Source? got my ear on the TV and it's not intimating that. Not that he might not, like.

[18blade89]

Got good morning Britain on. One of the reporters saying he understands Cameron is about to announce his resignation.

[RavBlade]

Got good morning Britain on. One of the reporters saying he understands Cameron is about to announce his resignation.

OK pal, he's on mainstream TV now.

[BlockD]

How the left could do with a man like the sadly departed Bob Crow ,it wouldnt be the rudderless ship it is now and provide a real alternative to the Tories

[18blade89]

Cameron stepping down after next 3 month.

[RavBlade]

Cameron going !!!!!!

[Chips1889]

I get the feeling you're slightly chuffed with the outcome 58..;D

Did you get a vote Aussie?

[RavBlade]

Did you get a vote Aussie?

Does being a member of Tw@tter entitle you to a vote?

[BlockD]

That tosspot Bromfield has failed to turn up at Radio Sheffield,spitting his dummy out after campaigning to remain

[RavBlade]

That tosspot Bromfield has failed to turn up at Radio Sheffield,spitting his dummy out after campaigning to remain

Not surprised Blockers. Thats what the MPs, of any party, does. Self serving the lot of them. Not represented the population for years.

[FatherKnowsBest]

Cameron going !!!!!!

Position untenable. Only thing he could do.

Is he taking that w-anchor Osborne with him?

[BlockD]

Not surprised Blockers. Thats what the MPs, of any party, does. Self serving the lot of them. Not represented the population for years.


Agree Ravanelli,hence my post 26,the Left needs a proper leader not a student protester like Corbyn,to offer a real alternative to the Tories,I expect May to overcome Boris come October

[PhilMitchell]

All very dramatic, innit? Just wait till Leave voters realise that the Leave side can't actually deliver what they've promised (I see Farage is already backtracking on that £350m for the NHS nonsense). Then it really hits the fan.

[RavBlade]

Agree Ravanelli,hence my post 26,the Left needs a proper leader not a student protester like Corbyn,to offer a real alternative to the Tories,I expect May to overcome Boris come October

I'm not an out & out Lefty Blockers TBH, but I do have strong socialist principals. I strongly believe in the NHS, free education for all, subsidised travel for all, government backing for our industries etc etc I'd even go as far as renationalising our main utilities. Remember we were promised cheaper energy if the utilities were sold off to private industry ??? Now owned by French, German & Spanish companies. That worked well didn't it !!! NOT.

[RavBlade]

All very dramatic, innit? Just wait till Leave voters realise that the Leave side can't actually deliver what they've promised (I see Farage is already backtracking on that £350m for the NHS nonsense). Then it really hits the fan.
He didn't promise £350 million for the NHS. He said SOME of that £350 million could be spent on the NHS. We are well aware, even us that voted leave, that the £350m figure 'given' wasn't quite correct. You only had to to do a bit of research to find that out. Al Jazeera demonstrated a very simplistic model to explain it. It still cost us $200m a WEEK for EU membership even AFTER rebates.

[BlockD]

I'm not an out & out Lefty Blockers TBH, but I do have strong socialist principals. I strongly believe in the NHS, free education for all, subsidised travel for all, government backing for our industries etc etc I'd even go as far as renationalising our main utilities. Remember we were promised cheaper energy if the utilities were sold off to private industry ??? Now owned by French, German & Spanish companies. That worked well didn't it !!! NOT.

Should start with renationalising our wonderful railways Ravvers

[jqzblade]

Should start with renationalising our wonderful railways Ravvers

Could do with more trains.

Made in Britain?

Oh No! :O

Made in Germany! :?

[RavBlade]

Should start with renationalising our wonderful railways Ravvers

I wouldn't be averse to that at all Blockers. Aren't the best rail sytems in Europe subsidised by their respective governments? A tads ironic me thinks.

[RavBlade]

Could do with more trains.

Made in Britain?

Oh No! :O

Made in Germany! :?

Not if you give the contracts to Bombadier they aren't. Like they SHOULD have done.

[CHIPBUTTYBLADE]

Mark Carney (BoE) has calmed the panickers and the £ is already climbing back up.

[RavBlade]

Mark Carney (BoE) has calmed the panickers and the £ is already climbing back up.

Watched his speach CB, and it was excellent to be fair. Glad to see someones been doing their job! Also watched that idiot Michael Fallon, basing the future of the UK on four hours of stock market trading. Even Andrew Neil nearly said you're having a laugh surely.

[BlockD]

Didnt Cammers claim it could lead t World War 3?,im putting my name down for the Home Guard

[BlockD]

Watched his speach CB, and it was excellent to be fair. Glad to see someones been doing their job! Also watched that idiot Michael Fallon, basing the future of the UK on four hours of stock market trading. Even Andrew Neil nearly said you're having a laugh surely.

Is Fallon the idiot Tory with Donald Trump style hair?,he is a full weight thats for sure

[RavBlade]

Didnt Cammers claim it could lead t World War 3?,im putting my name down for the Home Guard

XD who's going to be Pike then?

[BlockD]

XD who's going to be Pike then?

I say Kozzy,lovable and daft in equal measure,Rod is obviously an older version of Godfrey,Aussie can be Warden Hodges

[RavBlade]

I say Kozzy,lovable and daft in equal measure,Rod is obviously an older version of Godfrey,Aussie can be Warden Hodges

Only leaves Herbert for Mainwairing then ;D

[1066blade]

Anybody else stopped up all night?

We're nearly there. The sun is coming up. The glass of whisky is tasting so good.

COME ON!!

It's being said that the old and the ignorant have created this dire situation, still, you won't be around to witness the damage will you. :-( Little Britain here we come. :-(

[RavBlade]

Is Fallon the idiot Tory with Donald Trump style hair?,he is a full weight thats for sure

Fallon is the defence secratary Blockers. I know who you mean though, but his names escapes me at this moment.

[Born_On_Shoreham_St]

XD who's going to be Pike then?

Don't tell him RavBlade :D

[RavBlade]

It's being said that the old and the ignorant have created this dire situation, still, you won't be around to witness the damage will you. :-( Little Britain here we come. :-(

That'll be from the same people that called all leave voters racists then will it? Lots of credibility there then.

[Born_On_Shoreham_St]

It's being said that the old and the ignorant have created this dire situation, still, you won't be around to witness the damage will you. :-( Little Britain here we come. :-(

The thing is, we old people have seen GB in and out of Europe - that's why most of us voted out.

I for one don't like the idea of giving my money to unelected apparatchiks only for them to give me some of it back and then tell me how to spend it.

[Chips1889]

Should start with renationalising our wonderful railways Ravvers

When I was working and had a 118 mile round trip to work via M1 and M62 I wanted the roads to be nationalised so the Government of the day could help with my petrol costs.

[Chips1889]

The thing is, we old people have seen GB in and out of Europe - that's why most of us voted out.

I for one don't like the idea of giving my money to unelected apparatchiks only for them to give me some of it back and then tell me how to spend it.


And I never liked the European Court of Criminal Rights.

[costablade]

Doesn't surprise me at all about the city votes.

Sheffield is light years behind those cities in terms of forward thinking attitudes. I blame the council largely but do think the archetypal Sheffield attitude supports them.

Liverpool was like that but has eventually seen the light. If we had been more progressive like them, didn't live in the past, you'd quite probably seen a different outcome here too.


Have a like from me. Years ago i left Sheffield for Nottingham, just down the road for work reasons, but it was like walking into a different world, that was 35 years ago!!
Don't get me wrong, i love Sheffield (and especially SUFC) - i was born down the 'Cliffe & was dragged up in Pitsmoor and have fond memories of my youth - but the City councils have held this great city back and places like Leeds (especially), Nottingham, Manchester & Liverpool have all overtaken Sheffield.

UTB

[RavBlade]

Have a like from me. Years ago i left Sheffield for Nottingham, just down the road for work reasons, but it was like walking into a different world, that was 35 years ago!!
Don't get me wrong, i love Sheffield (and especially SUFC) - i was born down the 'Cliffe & was dragged up in Pitsmoor and have fond memories of my youth - but the City councils have held this great city back and places like Leeds (especially), Nottingham, Manchester & Liverpool have all overtaken Sheffield.

UTB

I don't think Sheffield is light years behind IMHO, but it certainly missed the starting gun and made up ground over the last 10 years.. I live in Rovverham with two Vs, and given what's gone off here in the last 40 years with the council, how do you think I feel ? I simply CANNOT for the life of me understand why they keep on getting voted back in.

[GrayBlade]

Have a like from me. Years ago i left Sheffield for Nottingham, just down the road for work reasons, but it was like walking into a different world, that was 35 years ago!!
Don't get me wrong, i love Sheffield (and especially SUFC) - i was born down the 'Cliffe & was dragged up in Pitsmoor and have fond memories of my youth - but the City councils have held this great city back and places like Leeds (especially), Nottingham, Manchester & Liverpool have all overtaken Sheffield.

UTB

Why put Sheffield down? It was borderline out just like it was borderline (in or out) in plenty of other cities.

[Champagneblade]

How the left could do with a man like the sadly departed Bob Crow ,it wouldnt be the rudderless ship it is now and provide a real alternative to the Tories

Is this the same Bob Crow who's main negotiating tool was to bring the Capital to a standstill every time the government wouldn't agree to pay increases of around 3 times the rate of inflation for London Underground drivers?

How is someone like him going to be able to unite the country?

[BlockD]

Is this the same Bob Crow who's main negotiating tool was to bring the Capital to a standstill every time the government wouldn't agree to pay increases of around 3 times the rate of inflation for London Underground drivers?



How is someone like him going to be able to unite the country?

That's the fella,who said anything about unite the country,I said someone like him to unite the left/working class,fantastic leader of men that I once had the privelege of meeting,Mick Cash is showing promising early signs,you don't mess with the RMT

Sadly missed is our Bob

[GrayBlade]

It's being said that the old and the ignorant have created this dire situation, still, you won't be around to witness the damage will you. :-( Little Britain here we come. :-(

Yeah there were plenty of sound bytes said by both camps that the weak-minded bought into. I suppose you wouldn't want to be seen as ignorant and easily led would you?

[jqzblade]

Not if you give the contracts to Bombadier they aren't. Like they SHOULD have done.

Its a Canadian company with its manufacturing base in Germany.
In 2004, due to overcapacity in the European passenger train industry, Bombardier announced a restructuring program resulting in the closure of several plants; in the UK, the bogie production site at Pride Park, Derby, Bombardier Prorail (Wakefield), and a maintenance facility in Doncaster were closed;

[diode_blade]

Te EU for me is a corrupt unelectable beaurocracy that does not work in my eyes, to be honest I have always been more pro eu than anti but after thinking long and hard decided enough was enough, I remember the butter mountain, milk lake, grain moutain and more, perfectly good food that eventually was destroyed because of stupid regulations and eu greed whilst in Africa esp in mid 80's thousands of people died of starvation and the eu just sat on it's arse counting beans, and it's damn well still happening now, how much fish do our trawler boys have to throw back over side dead because of the quotas or their size because of the eu when it could be used to help feed the poor here or elsewhere...

oh best tell the navy to get our gunboat (have we got one by the way?) ready for Iceland on Monday....;D
I'll be private Walker....or the U-Boat commander (Phillip Madoc what an actor)

Motion of no confidence in Corbyn just been on news as I listen..
UTB

[Blade for Life]

Te EU for me is a corrupt unelectable beaurocracy that does not work in my eyes, to be honest I have always been more pro eu than anti but after thinking long and hard decided enough was enough, I remember the butter mountain, milk lake, grain moutain and more, perfectly good food that eventually was destroyed because of stupid regulations and eu greed whilst in Africa esp in mid 80's thousands of people died of starvation and the eu just sat on it's arse counting beans, and it's damn well still happening now, how much fish do our trawler boys have to throw back over side dead because of the quotas or their size because of the eu when it could be used to help feed the poor here or elsewhere...

oh best tell the navy to get our gunboat (have we got one by the way?) ready for Iceland on Monday....;D
I'll be private Walker....or the U-Boat commander (Phillip Madoc what an actor)

Motion of no confidence in Corbyn just been on news as I listen..
UTB Just how soon can we stop giving £150-£200 million pound a week to the EU and how quick can we put a tariff on cheap Chinese steel. We have taken back control and i am so pleased and proud to be English today

[RavBlade]

Its a Canadian company with its manufacturing base in Germany.
In 2004, due to overcapacity in the European passenger train industry, Bombardier announced a restructuring program resulting in the closure of several plants; in the UK, the bogie production site at Pride Park, Derby, Bombardier Prorail (Wakefield), and a maintenance facility in Doncaster were closed;

http://uk.bombardier.com/en/transportation/presence-in-country/engineering-and-manufacturing.html

Still a big concern and employ thousands in both Derby and Belfast as well as around the UK. Contracts went to Siemens to build our trains in Germany.

[jqzblade]

http://uk.bombardier.com/en/transportation/presence-in-country/engineering-and-manufacturing.html

Still a big concern and employ thousands in both Derby and Belfast as well as around the UK. Contracts went to Siemens to build our trains in Germany.

Sorry fella, thought the UK operation was just about revamping the old London Underground and SE dilapidated old stock. Think your right about the new stuff though? Investment talks and if its cheaper or subsidised by other goverments we've not a prayer of resurrecting any of our manufacturing industries!

[BLADEBEER]

Not surprised Blockers. Thats what the MPs, of any party, does. Self serving the lot of them. Not represented the population for years.

If Cameron and his cronie Osborn had treated the North of England the way he treated the affluent South, then maybe the outcome would have been different.

[RavBlade]

Sorry fella, thought the UK operation was just about revamping the old London Underground and SE dilapidated old stock. Think your right about the new stuff though? Investment talks and if its cheaper or subsidised by other goverments we've not a prayer of resurrecting any of our manufacturing industries!

It just highlights the failures of past governments, both Labour & Tory, to invest and back our own manufacturing Industries. They'd sooner sell it off to the highest bidder to make quick easy money, and give contracts as sweetners to companies to invest here, rather than invest within. Just take the recent Steel crisis for instance, and recall its coverage and the comments that, due to EU regulation, the UK government couldn't help, or subsidise it (different story with the Banks for some reason but thats another topic). That would be a different story had their hands not been securely tied by EU regulation.

[sharrowboy2]

All the European players we sign over the next few years will need work permits now I guess. It's okay for you lot, most non-league players are British Nationals I'd imagine.

:D

[JonnyEdge]

Should start with renationalising our wonderful railways Ravvers


I'm up for that, I work for Network Rail!!!

[BlockD]

I'm up for that, I work for Network Rail!!!

Without going into much detail JE,whereabouts?Fair enough if you dont want to say

I myself work LNW, operations side of things

[JonnyEdge]

It's being said that the old and the ignorant have created this dire situation, still, you won't be around to witness the damage will you. :-( Little Britain here we come. :-(

At 42 do I qualify as the old or the ignorant?

Maybe it's more about how you view the world and maybe if the young put democracy and independence (the thing their grand-dads and great grand-dads gave their lives for) ahead of being able to study somewhere sunny, they might not be so quick to blame the old.

I find being labelled as either old or ignorant quite insulting.

I served 13 years in the forces, I saw first hand what happens when unaccountable people have power over the massed and I also saw first hand what happens when you put your security in the hands of the French and Italian armed forces. Not to mention a German armed forces that are made up of a chunk of national service and have zero operational experience.

[JonnyEdge]

Without going into much detail JE,whereabouts?Fair enough if you dont want to say

I myself work LNW, operations side of things

Based in Brum, IP Sigs

[BlockD]

Based in Brum, IP Sigs

Nice food in the Mailbox,

[RavBlade]

At 42 do I qualify as the old or the ignorant?

Maybe it's more about how you view the world and maybe if the young put democracy and independence (the thing their grand-dads and great grand-dads gave their lives for) ahead of being able to study somewhere sunny, they might not be so quick to blame the old.

I find being labelled as either old or ignorant quite insulting.

I served 13 years in the forces, I saw first hand what happens when unaccountable people have power over the massed and I also saw first hand what happens when you put your security in the hands of the French and Italian armed forces. Not to mention a German armed forces that are made up of a chunk of national service and have zero operational experience.

According to a lot of Remain voters, and comments I've heard today, if you voted out, you're either racist, old, thick or ignorant oh and intolerant. It would appear, given said comments, it's somewhat the otherway around.

[JonnyEdge]

Nice food in the Mailbox,



Yeah shame we're going to lose it when they move us to Baskerville. Where you based?

[JonnyEdge]

According to a lot of Remain voters, and comments I've heard today, if you voted out, you're either racist, old, thick or ignorant oh and intolerant. It would appear, given said comments, it's somewhat the otherway around.

Exactly, I particularly like the double standards from Sturgeon. We want to be an inclusive and united nation with Europe but not with England!

[BlockD]

Yeah shame we're going to lose it when they move us to Baskerville. Where you based?

High Peak/Hope Valley

[bladesman1989]

At 42 do I qualify as the old or the ignorant?

Maybe it's more about how you view the world and maybe if the young put democracy and independence (the thing their grand-dads and great grand-dads gave their lives for) ahead of being able to study somewhere sunny, they might not be so quick to blame the old.

I find being labelled as either old or ignorant quite insulting.

I served 13 years in the forces, I saw first hand what happens when unaccountable people have power over the massed and I also saw first hand what happens when you put your security in the hands of the French and Italian armed forces. Not to mention a German armed forces that are made up of a chunk of national service and have zero operational experience.

Sarted work at 15yrs old and have worked another 55yrs and remember my first day as an apprentice plumber when the old plumber told me it didn't matter what happened during my working life one thing would remain constant and that was that the working man will always shoot himself in the foot. Well he's done it again, get ready for Boris and his tory cronies to rub your noses in it now.:?

[Paddys]

Premier League hahaha B)

[GrayBlade]

All the European players we sign over the next few years will need work permits now I guess. It's okay for you lot, most non-league players are British Nationals I'd imagine.

:D

Don't worry AP. I'm sure Chancer will be able to fast-track a few ladyboys through the back passage if they play in the right positions. That'll really make you lot bouncy wounce

[Katchouro]

Eventful couple of days. Britain breaks from the not fit for purpose EU to the expected threats, fear and bluster, that compulsive liar Cameron is culled by his own treacherous party and the supine right of centre liberals in Labour are stabbing Corbyn in the back for having the audacity to have allowed traditional Labour voters to make up their own minds.


Sturgeon turns my stomach, at a time when the UK needs as much stability and calm as it can to benefit us all this venomous opportunistic bigot is trying to start fires after losing two major referendums in the past year.

[aussieowl]

Did you get a vote Aussie?

Apparently I could have Chips, I could have used my British passport to register for it then voted, I didn't know this until two days ago when I heard it on the news...I wouldn't have voted though mate, wouldn't have seemed right somehow...I did vote in 1975 though..;D

[aussieowl]

Does being a member of Tw@tter entitle you to a vote?

Goo on Rav...gnash those teeth.

[originaltrueblade]

Democracy has spoken

[RavBlade]

Goo on Rav...gnash those teeth.

XDXD You wish.

[RavBlade]

Don't worry AP. I'm sure Chancer will be able to fast-track a few ladyboys through the back passage if they play in the right positions. That'll really make you lot bouncy wounce


oooooooooooooo matron !

[Chips1889]

Apparently I could have Chips, I could have used my British passport to register for it then voted, I didn't know this until two days ago when I heard it on the news...I wouldn't have voted though mate, wouldn't have seemed right somehow...I did vote in 1975 though..;D

If you had a vote would it be in or out mate?

[JonnyEdge]

Must admit I'm bitterly disappointed with the sour grapes being displayed throughout the country.

A petition that calls for another referendum and continue having them until you get a 75% turnout and a 60% result????? What planet are these people on?
You are almost never, ever going to get a 75% turnout and this debate will never be 60-40 clear. It seems to me that the remain believers behind this petition simply want to create a scenario where exit cannot ever, ever win. What happened to democracy?

You could get 90-10 vote in favour of exit but it doesn't count if its 74.9% turnout? Likewise you could get 59-41 with a 75% turnout and it's still not valid, Absolutely crackers.

If the result had gone the other way people would be calling it the will of the people and moving on (apart from Farage).
The truth is people got complacent and expected a remain win and wound up getting shocked and this is the knee jerk reaction.

On the other side of that I'm really annoyed at Sturgeon. Scotland didn't vote in or out of the EU, the whole of the United Kingdom voted out by majority. If you'd collected all the ballot boxes and counted them all in London we would have been none the wiser about which region voted which way, it was only done in regions for logistics purposes.
The people of Scotland voted by a large majority (10%) to remain in the United Kingdom, they have gone into an EU referendum as part of the United Kingdom and the United Kingdom has voted to leave, it's that simple.

There is no way we can afford accommodate another referendum to suit the 5.5 million Scottish people (particularly when 55% of them voted to stay in the UK last time and 38% went along with the exit referendum this time) when we have to work to secure the future of all 60 million in the UK. In fact only 2.69 million Scots voted and only 1.66 million of them voted remain.

So at a time when uncertainty is the very worst thing for the whole country she wants to stir up another referendum on the strength of less than 2 million people. She is the Farage of Scotland, totally obsessed with just trying to get away from England. She's even talking of running off the EU this week to buy a back door ticket to get back in. How are the other countries trying to get into the EU going to react if and independent Scotland got a special treatment re-entry with no Schengen and no single currency?

She should be at the forefront of the negotiations with the whole of government fighting for the interests of the UK population and not chasing this self absorbed centralist agenda.

[JonnyEdge]

Another thing (before I put my soap box away). We are not alone.
41% of the French would vote to leave going by recent polls.
Sweden (since the Brexit vote) are believed to be 36-32 in favour of leave.
58% of Italians want a referendum with the approximately half wanting to leave.
54% of Dutch want a referendum.

I suspect the economy would have taken a bigger hit if we had stayed and other countries had pulled out first.

[FatherKnowsBest]

According to a lot of Remain voters, and comments I've heard today, if you voted out, you're either racist, old, thick or ignorant oh and intolerant. It would appear, given said comments, it's somewhat the otherway around.

We joined a Common Market, a body to ease trade between the biggest nations of Europe. I suspect many of us felt that we didn't agree to join was a Federal States of Europe, where our needs as a country were taking second place. Personally, the Transatlantic Trade Agreement, which if rumour is true is just an open licence for further globalisation (we don't know because they wont release any details of the discussion or the agreement, no details at all, v democratic eh?...) was the thing that pushed me into the leave camp. Having the last bits of our steel industry colapse under unfair product dumping from China,and being told we weren't allowed to do anything to help our industry or stop the imports didn't sit right either.

The other thing I reject totally is that because the leave vote was driven by older people that we've selfishly buggered up our kids. Has no-one thought that we voted this *because* of our kids future, and that a Prime Minister who called the vote to save his face, and a few Tory votes, then tried to scare us all into voting remain, wouldn't find us grey haired old b'stards quite the pushover he expected. We've seen his type before and we can smell the bull**** from a mile-off, Even he couldn't find one positive reason to stay, just 'If we leave, theses terrible things will happen'. Well I didn't believe them and a lot of others didn't either. I have faith in British people. We've demonstrated for hundreds of years that we are smart, resourceful, creative and adaptable, and although we will undoubtedly have some short term issues, we will not now be rolling over and dying in the wilderness, I'm sure of that.

[ThePits]

We joined a Common Market, a body to ease trade between the biggest nations of Europe. I suspect many of us felt that we didn't agree to join was a Federal States of Europe, where our needs as a country were taking second place. Personally, the Transatlantic Trade Agreement, which if rumour is true is just an open licence for further globalisation (we don't know because they wont release any details of the discussion or the agreement, no details at all, v democratic eh?...) was the thing that pushed me into the leave camp. Having the last bits of our steel industry colapse under unfair product dumping from China,and being told we weren't allowed to do anything to help our industry or stop the imports didn't sit right either.

The other thing I reject totally is that because the leave vote was driven by older people that we've selfishly buggered up our kids. Has no-one thought that we voted this *because* of our kids future, and that a Prime Minister who called the vote to save his face, and a few Tory votes, then tried to scare us all into voting remain, wouldn't find us grey haired old b'stards quite the pushover he expected. We've seen his type before and we can smell the bull**** from a mile-off, Even he couldn't find one positive reason to stay, just 'If we leave, theses terrible things will happen'. Well I didn't believe them and a lot of others didn't either. I have faith in British people. We've demonstrated for hundreds of years that we are smart, resourceful, creative and adaptable, and although we will undoubtedly have some short term issues, we will not now be rolling over and dying in the wilderness, I'm sure of that.

Have a like young man

[JonnyEdge]

We joined a Common Market, a body to ease trade between the biggest nations of Europe. I suspect many of us felt that we didn't agree to join was a Federal States of Europe, where our needs as a country were taking second place. Personally, the Transatlantic Trade Agreement, which if rumour is true is just an open licence for further globalisation (we don't know because they wont release any details of the discussion or the agreement, no details at all, v democratic eh?...) was the thing that pushed me into the leave camp. Having the last bits of our steel industry colapse under unfair product dumping from China,and being told we weren't allowed to do anything to help our industry or stop the imports didn't sit right either.

The other thing I reject totally is that because the leave vote was driven by older people that we've selfishly buggered up our kids. Has no-one thought that we voted this *because* of our kids future, and that a Prime Minister who called the vote to save his face, and a few Tory votes, then tried to scare us all into voting remain, wouldn't find us grey haired old b'stards quite the pushover he expected. We've seen his type before and we can smell the bull**** from a mile-off, Even he couldn't find one positive reason to stay, just 'If we leave, theses terrible things will happen'. Well I didn't believe them and a lot of others didn't either. I have faith in British people. We've demonstrated for hundreds of years that we are smart, resourceful, creative and adaptable, and although we will undoubtedly have some short term issues, we will not now be rolling over and dying in the wilderness, I'm sure of that.


I love being branded as either old or bigoted or both.
Maybe it's not the old buggering it up for the young maybe it's world wise experience taking precedent over whether it will be easy to study somewhere sunny.
Maybe the Prime Minister should know better than to stand up in front of a proud group of nations like the UK and try to tell us we are too small, too weak, too poor and too stupid to govern ourselves.

[RavBlade]

We joined a Common Market, a body to ease trade between the biggest nations of Europe. I suspect many of us felt that we didn't agree to join was a Federal States of Europe, where our needs as a country were taking second place. Personally, the Transatlantic Trade Agreement, which if rumour is true is just an open licence for further globalisation (we don't know because they wont release any details of the discussion or the agreement, no details at all, v democratic eh?...) was the thing that pushed me into the leave camp. Having the last bits of our steel industry colapse under unfair product dumping from China,and being told we weren't allowed to do anything to help our industry or stop the imports didn't sit right either.

The other thing I reject totally is that because the leave vote was driven by older people that we've selfishly buggered up our kids. Has no-one thought that we voted this *because* of our kids future, and that a Prime Minister who called the vote to save his face, and a few Tory votes, then tried to scare us all into voting remain, wouldn't find us grey haired old b'stards quite the pushover he expected. We've seen his type before and we can smell the bull**** from a mile-off, Even he couldn't find one positive reason to stay, just 'If we leave, theses terrible things will happen'. Well I didn't believe them and a lot of others didn't either. I have faith in British people. We've demonstrated for hundreds of years that we are smart, resourceful, creative and adaptable, and although we will undoubtedly have some short term issues, we will not now be rolling over and dying in the wilderness, I'm sure of that.

I know we have our little differences now n again FKB, but that aside, that is a brillaint post. Have a like from me too.

[Ayamonteblade]

Father.....you do indeed know best....wish I could this up on Facebook to counteract some of the absolute bo**ox being posted on there.....but then I would probably be lynched 😮

[RavBlade]

Father.....you do indeed know best....wish I could this up on Facebook to counteract some of the absolute bo**ox being posted on there.....but then I would probably be lynched ��

Go on Aya, double dare ya. ;)

[FatherKnowsBest]

Father.....you do indeed know best....wish I could this up on Facebook to counteract some of the absolute bo**ox being posted on there.....but then I would probably be lynched ��

The arrogance on the Facebook is astounding today. Let me paraphrase them.

You are naughty children who only had to choose answer A and everything would have been alright, but oh no, you chose answer B because you were stupid and that's why you are poor, because you are stupid, not like us because we are intelligent people who got the answer right, but there were more of you stupid people and you made the wrong choice, and now its a total disaster, and that's what happen when you ask stupid poor people to decide things that are above them. They get it wrong and mess it all up for us intelligent people.


Anyone would have thought we have voted for the UK to be dragged off into the middle of the Atlantic and sunk... Listen, we'll get over it, everyone will get over it. We'll adapt and find a new ways, its what the British are good at.

[Born_On_Shoreham_St]

I wouldn't be averse to that at all Blockers. Aren't the best rail sytems in Europe subsidised by their respective governments? A tads ironic me thinks.

I'm not an advocate of nationalising for the sake of it, but East Coast did a cracking job did't they?

[Born_On_Shoreham_St]

Is this the same Bob Crow who's main negotiating tool was to bring the Capital to a standstill every time the government wouldn't agree to pay increases of around 3 times the rate of inflation for London Underground drivers?

How is someone like him going to be able to unite the country?


That's the fella,who said anything about unite the country,I said someone like him to unite the left/working class,fantastic leader of men that I once had the privelege of meeting,Mick Cash is showing promising early signs,you don't mess with the RMT

Sadly missed is our Bob

So you agree with holding the country to ransom and asking us to to dig into our pockets to pay for super-inflated pay claims demanded down the barrel of a gun?

[Born_On_Shoreham_St]

At 42 do I qualify as the old or the ignorant?

Maybe it's more about how you view the world and maybe if the young put democracy and independence (the thing their grand-dads and great grand-dads gave their lives for) ahead of being able to study somewhere sunny, they might not be so quick to blame the old.

I find being labelled as either old or ignorant quite insulting.

I served 13 years in the forces, I saw first hand what happens when unaccountable people have power over the massed and I also saw first hand what happens when you put your security in the hands of the French and Italian armed forces. Not to mention a German armed forces that are made up of a chunk of national service and have zero operational experience.


Top post! Respect!

[Ayamonteblade]

or alternatively you are old and selfish......ie anybody over 18 and a half

[bulmer1889]

The arrogance on the Facebook is astounding today. Let me paraphrase them.

You are naughty children who only had to choose answer A and everything would have been alright, but oh no, you chose answer B because you were stupid and that's why you are poor, because you are stupid, not like us because we are intelligent people who got the answer right, but there were more of you stupid people and you made the wrong choice, and now its a total disaster, and that's what happen when you ask stupid poor people to decide things that are above them. They get it wrong and mess it all up for us intelligent people.


Anyone would have thought we have voted for the UK to be dragged off into the middle of the Atlantic and sunk... Listen, we'll get over it, everyone will get over it. We'll adapt and find a new ways, its what the British are good at.

Wish I could have remained a ****ager when I knew everything about everything instead of growing up into a know nowt

[RavBlade]

I'm not an advocate of nationalising for the sake of it, but East Coast did a cracking job did't they?

They did a great job.I travelled with them on a regular basis a couple of years ago. Kept it profitable with a decent service. A beacon of how a nationalised company SHOULD be run.

[Born_On_Shoreham_St]

Eventful couple of days. Britain breaks from the not fit for purpose EU to the expected threats, fear and bluster, that compulsive liar Cameron is culled by his own treacherous party and the supine right of centre liberals in Labour are stabbing Corbyn in the back for having the audacity to have allowed traditional Labour voters to make up their own minds.


Sturgeon turns my stomach, at a time when the UK needs as much stability and calm as it can to benefit us all this venomous opportunistic bigot is trying to start fires after losing two major referendums in the past year.

I so agree with that Kat and would add this
A Prime Minister resigned. The £ plummeted. The FTSE 100 lost significant ground. But then the £ rallied past February levels, and the FTSE closed on a weekly high: 2.4% up on last Friday, its best performance in 4 months. President Obama decided we wouldn't be at the 'back of the queue' after all and that our 'special relationship' was still strong. The French President confirmed the Le Touquet agreement would stay in place. The President of the European Commission stated Brexit negations would be 'orderly' and stressed the UK would continue to be a 'close partner' of the EU. A big bank denied reports it would shift 2,000 staff overseas. The CBI, vehemently anti-Brexit during the referendum campaign, stated British business was resilient and would adapt. Several countries outside the EU stated they wished to begin bi-lateral trade talks with the UK immediately. If this was the predicted apocalypse, well, it was a very British one. It was all over by teatime. Not a bad first day of freedom.

[Born_On_Shoreham_St]

They did a great job.I travelled with them on a regular basis a couple of years ago. Kept it profitable with a decent service. A beacon of how a nationalised company SHOULD be run.

Exactly Rav - great company and lovely staff to say nothing of good deals.

[Born_On_Shoreham_St]

We joined a Common Market, a body to ease trade between the biggest nations of Europe. I suspect many of us felt that we didn't agree to join was a Federal States of Europe, where our needs as a country were taking second place. Personally, the Transatlantic Trade Agreement, which if rumour is true is just an open licence for further globalisation (we don't know because they wont release any details of the discussion or the agreement, no details at all, v democratic eh?...) was the thing that pushed me into the leave camp. Having the last bits of our steel industry colapse under unfair product dumping from China,and being told we weren't allowed to do anything to help our industry or stop the imports didn't sit right either.

The other thing I reject totally is that because the leave vote was driven by older people that we've selfishly buggered up our kids. Has no-one thought that we voted this *because* of our kids future, and that a Prime Minister who called the vote to save his face, and a few Tory votes, then tried to scare us all into voting remain, wouldn't find us grey haired old b'stards quite the pushover he expected. We've seen his type before and we can smell the bull**** from a mile-off, Even he couldn't find one positive reason to stay, just 'If we leave, theses terrible things will happen'. Well I didn't believe them and a lot of others didn't either. I have faith in British people. We've demonstrated for hundreds of years that we are smart, resourceful, creative and adaptable, and although we will undoubtedly have some short term issues, we will not now be rolling over and dying in the wilderness, I'm sure of that.

To misquote Maggie - Yes, yes, yes

And we old 'uns have experience of being in and out of the EU.

I voted to join the Common Market - if I'd been aware of the hidden agenda at the time, I would have voted No, no, no.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVt_1ByddUQ

[Ayamonteblade]

thanks for the further update BOSS.....I'm abroad at the mo and it's good to hear we haven't self combusted despite what I read on Fbook. ... will come home tomorrow after all and looking forward to the future ☺☺

[Born_On_Shoreham_St]

Must admit I'm bitterly disappointed with the sour grapes being displayed throughout the country.

A petition that calls for another referendum and continue having them until you get a 75% turnout and a 60% result????? What planet are these people on?
You are almost never, ever going to get a 75% turnout and this debate will never be 60-40 clear. It seems to me that the remain believers behind this petition simply want to create a scenario where exit cannot ever, ever win. What happened to democracy?

You could get 90-10 vote in favour of exit but it doesn't count if its 74.9% turnout? Likewise you could get 59-41 with a 75% turnout and it's still not valid, Absolutely crackers.

If the result had gone the other way people would be calling it the will of the people and moving on (apart from Farage).
The truth is people got complacent and expected a remain win and wound up getting shocked and this is the knee jerk reaction.

On the other side of that I'm really annoyed at Sturgeon. Scotland didn't vote in or out of the EU, the whole of the United Kingdom voted out by majority. If you'd collected all the ballot boxes and counted them all in London we would have been none the wiser about which region voted which way, it was only done in regions for logistics purposes.
The people of Scotland voted by a large majority (10%) to remain in the United Kingdom, they have gone into an EU referendum as part of the United Kingdom and the United Kingdom has voted to leave, it's that simple.

There is no way we can afford accommodate another referendum to suit the 5.5 million Scottish people (particularly when 55% of them voted to stay in the UK last time and 38% went along with the exit referendum this time) when we have to work to secure the future of all 60 million in the UK. In fact only 2.69 million Scots voted and only 1.66 million of them voted remain.

So at a time when uncertainty is the very worst thing for the whole country she wants to stir up another referendum on the strength of less than 2 million people. She is the Farage of Scotland, totally obsessed with just trying to get away from England. She's even talking of running off the EU this week to buy a back door ticket to get back in. How are the other countries trying to get into the EU going to react if and independent Scotland got a special treatment re-entry with no Schengen and no single currency?

She should be at the forefront of the negotiations with the whole of government fighting for the interests of the UK population and not chasing this self absorbed centralist agenda.

Amazing post! Good 'un :)

[Born_On_Shoreham_St]

Father.....you do indeed know best....wish I could this up on Facebook to counteract some of the absolute bo**ox being posted on there.....but then I would probably be lynched ��

add me?

https://www.facebook.com/chris.hunt.9809672

Just post it on your page - check out what I posted lol

I'm an old happily married git by the way lol

Actually you can all add me if you like lol

[diode_blade]

I know it has been mentioned in some previous posts but have just been reading bbc teletext service news pages the online petition to have a second referendum has gone over 1.5 mill and parliment will now consider it for debate.

crikey if this keeps going on and on civil war here we come>:(

[Kevin_Arnotts_Mullet]

I m fully supportive of our exit from the european union, only thing that worries me, is my lack of faith in any of our politicians and parties to make the most of it and serve the country to make the most of us.

[aussieowl]

If you had a vote would it be in or out mate?

Probably out...long term I think it'll be for the best, time will tell I guess, I don't think anyone really knows yet.

[GrayBlade]

Some great posts on this thread but FTB and JohnyE in particular have a massive thumbs up! :star:

[JonnyEdge]

Some great posts on this thread but FTB and JohnyE in particular have a massive thumbs up! :star:


Cheers Gray

[seanbeanstattoo]

FKB often gets right up my nose but his posts on this,(and other)threads are absolutely spot on and I agree with every word he`s posted.
Johnny has also nailed it.
Well done Gentlemen.

[almostsignedmaradona]

Firstly I was dissapointed with the politicians. No one gave a balanced view, it was either extreme staying in the EU is great or coming out is great. Also as usual both sides were keen to criticise each other, slinging mud to make their point stronger.

The factors I considered were
1: The future: I want to best for the grandkids, so I'm not just ahead 5 years but 20, 30, 40 years.
Personally I would accept 5 years of pain, increased prices everywhere if it meant a long term prosperous future for my country.

[almostsignedmaradona]

2: Immigration: some people perceive this as a dirty word and link it to racists. However immigration is a red herring, the issue should really be called POPULATION CONTROL. So if UK born white families were having 6 kids to claim extra benefits then I'd want something doing. English is the language of the world and has one of the best benefit systems in the world, so when a poor country joins the EU then you can't blame EU families wanting to the UK. I'm pretty confident that when the new group of countries join the EU like Turkey millions will migrate to the UK to claim tax credits and housing benefit and form massive ghettos of deprivation in every city.

[almostsignedmaradona]

3: Accountabilty/ democracy
It's almost perverse to think that the people of the U.K can desire how their country is run, then the EU come along and over rule our wishes. The EU have unelected presidents that can't be voted out. We've seen the corruption in FIFA that also has unelected unaccountable presidents. I believe in democracy and not being controlled by another superstate.

[almostsignedmaradona]

Reasons to stay in the EU
1: it's comforting like joining a protection racket or like having a big insurance policy. We pay more into it than we recIeve but if you have Christian type values then it's good to share the wealth and become 1 big superstate. Like in the John Lennon song Imagine, let's get rid of religions, borders etc and become one big country of world.

Conclusion
For me it was
Stay in then EU and see a slow but continuous decrease in the standard of living (over many years) and having 1000's of ghettos of multiculturism.

Or gamble by coming out of the EU
Uncertainty causes struggles in the finance markets so I knew we would be worse off in the short term.

But for me it's no pain no gain.
I accept the short term pain if it makes it a better more prosperous country going forward.
I genuinely believe we've taken 2 steps backward in order to take 4 steps forward.

[berty]

We joined a Common Market, a body to ease trade between the biggest nations of Europe. I suspect many of us felt that we didn't agree to join was a Federal States of Europe, where our needs as a country were taking second place. Personally, the Transatlantic Trade Agreement, which if rumour is true is just an open licence for further globalisation (we don't know because they wont release any details of the discussion or the agreement, no details at all, v democratic eh?...) was the thing that pushed me into the leave camp. Having the last bits of our steel industry colapse under unfair product dumping from China,and being told we weren't allowed to do anything to help our industry or stop the imports didn't sit right either.

The other thing I reject totally is that because the leave vote was driven by older people that we've selfishly buggered up our kids. Has no-one thought that we voted this *because* of our kids future, and that a Prime Minister who called the vote to save his face, and a few Tory votes, then tried to scare us all into voting remain, wouldn't find us grey haired old b'stards quite the pushover he expected. We've seen his type before and we can smell the bull**** from a mile-off, Even he couldn't find one positive reason to stay, just 'If we leave, theses terrible things will happen'. Well I didn't believe them and a lot of others didn't either. I have faith in British people. We've demonstrated for hundreds of years that we are smart, resourceful, creative and adaptable, and although we will undoubtedly have some short term issues, we will not now be rolling over and dying in the wilderness, I'm sure of that.

Occasionally you read good posts or even great posts.
This one surpasses that.
Have another like FKB.

[methven]

Anybody else stopped up all night?

We're nearly there. The sun is coming up. The glass of whisky is tasting so good.

COME ON!!



Sorry to tell you its all a big con we will NOT leave the EU. I repeat we will NOT leave the EU !

[aussieowl]

Sorry to tell you its all a big con we will NOT leave the EU. I repeat we will NOT leave the EU !

You Scottish then meth..;D

[FatherKnowsBest]

I repeat we will NOT leave the EU !

Its been in all the papers. Surprised you missed it...

[blades58]

Bally
‏@steveballsufc

250,000 people voted in Sheffield on the EU referendum 600,000 of them were Wednesday fans :D



Made me chuckle that did! :D :D

[CHIPBUTTYBLADE]

Sorry to tell you its all a big con we will NOT leave the EU. I repeat we will NOT leave the EU !

I'm beggining to wonder after todays events,the Tories are already dispensing with the word Brexit.

[Born_On_Shoreham_St]

We joined a Common Market, a body to ease trade between the biggest nations of Europe. I suspect many of us felt that we didn't agree to join was a Federal States of Europe, where our needs as a country were taking second place. Personally, the Transatlantic Trade Agreement, which if rumour is true is just an open licence for further globalisation (we don't know because they wont release any details of the discussion or the agreement, no details at all, v democratic eh?...) was the thing that pushed me into the leave camp. Having the last bits of our steel industry colapse under unfair product dumping from China,and being told we weren't allowed to do anything to help our industry or stop the imports didn't sit right either.

The other thing I reject totally is that because the leave vote was driven by older people that we've selfishly buggered up our kids. Has no-one thought that we voted this *because* of our kids future, and that a Prime Minister who called the vote to save his face, and a few Tory votes, then tried to scare us all into voting remain, wouldn't find us grey haired old b'stards quite the pushover he expected. We've seen his type before and we can smell the bull**** from a mile-off, Even he couldn't find one positive reason to stay, just 'If we leave, theses terrible things will happen'. Well I didn't believe them and a lot of others didn't either. I have faith in British people. We've demonstrated for hundreds of years that we are smart, resourceful, creative and adaptable, and although we will undoubtedly have some short term issues, we will not now be rolling over and dying in the wilderness, I'm sure of that.

Spot on FKB, spot on.

Don't forget we weren't allowed to fully roll out broadband because the EU said it was illegal state aid. ILLEGAL STATE AID? Pie locks! Better off out

[FatherKnowsBest]

I was watching an item on the BBC News over the weekend, just caught the end of it really. It was a woman journalist talking about Brexit, and she said, almost in these words, that the only reason people had voted to leave was because they were having a rotten life, but they didn't realise that we'd all made it worse for ourselves. My jaw didn't drop. it was hanging off. This is a fecking serious commentator, for Gods sake, not some chump in the street with a mic pushed in their face. Outside of S6, has there ever been such totally stunning arrogance and missing of the point? In fact, she even managed to make any oinker, even the rabid ones look realistic and considered.

The BBC particularly has focussed on racism and xenophobia as the main reasons why the leave voters went that way, and have taken the 'intelligent' high ground, as if no-one above 85 IQ could possibly want anything other than Remain. This is where the MP's and Blair and the rest are now angling, presumably to water down and delay the exit so they can keep the gravy train running as long as possible.

God bless these brave angels who are trying to save us poor racist fools from ourselves, while the intelligent ones happily go skipping on to greater federalisation where our country will end up run as a sub-state of a totalitarian bureaucracy, playing its full part in continued US globalisation, with an Armed force we don't control. God bless them all. Lovely...