o/t now that all the w@nkers are leaving.....

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If Corbyn was to kick out all the middle-class lefties he'd have to kick himself out wouldn't he?

He's not "old Labour" either, he's a Trotskyite and not part of the Labour tradition, Labour were always democratic socialists.

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What part of the last manifesto is trotskyist as opposed to democratic socialist?

What do you understand as the difference between the two?

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Originally Posted by ragingpup

What part of the last manifesto is trotskyist as opposed to democratic socialist?

What do you understand as the difference between the two?

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It's impossible to understand all that.

And thanks for telling me it's Trotskyist, you're obviously well up on it.

Militant Tendency were the last bunch of entryists but failed, Momentum tried the same tactic and succeeded.

It's basically the same thing that turned Venezuela to ruin.

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Originally Posted by great_fire

It's impossible to understand all that.

And thanks for telling me it's Trotskyist, you're obviously well up on it.

Militant Tendency were the last bunch of entryists but failed, Momentum tried the same tactic and succeeded.

It's basically the same thing that turned Venezuela to ruin.

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In not telling you anything. In asking you to justify your opinion that Corbyn is a Trotskyist with some evidence? And you seem to think that Labour is traditionally a social democratic party. I would agree with you. But I would argue that the last manifesto was purely social democratic. You think not?ok,justify your viewpoint with evidence why it isn't. I'm all ears!

I agree with Grist, the only reason for Labour to exist is to make the Conservatives look good.

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Originally Posted by great_fire

It's impossible to understand all that.

And thanks for telling me it's Trotskyist, you're obviously well up on it.

Militant Tendency were the last bunch of entryists but failed, Momentum tried the same tactic and succeeded.

It's basically the same thing that turned Venezuela to ruin.

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The fact you actually believe Momentum is a militant group is astounding .

They are nearly all remainers and are campaigning to remain in the EU .

I'm at a loss as to why such a hard left group in your opinion would be so pro EU if they are so militant in your opinion .

It goes against everything the left should be in favour of , the EU are complicit in the globalisation project , free market's and the exploitation of cheap labour .

For the record I'm no longer a member but for now I've remained a labour party member .

For the working class to prosper and improve their terms and conditions the one thing you need is trade with friction .

It's something Momentum seem to have overlooked but there you are .

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Originally Posted by animallittle3

The fact you actually believe Momentum is a militant group is astounding .

They are nearly all remainers and are campaigning to remain in the EU .

I'm at a loss as to why such a hard left group in your opinion would be so pro EU if they are so militant in your opinion .

It goes against everything the left should be in favour of , the EU are complicit in the globalisation project , free market's and the exploitation of cheap labour .

For the record I'm no longer a member but for now I've remained a labour party member .

For the working class to prosper and improve their terms and conditions the one thing you need is trade with friction .

It's something Momentum seem to have overlooked but there you are .

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Probably because most of them are from London.

Militant tendency were from Liverpool so probably would be less pro-EU if they were still around.

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Originally Posted by great_fire

Probably because most of them are from London.

Militant tendency were from Liverpool so probably would be less pro-EU if they were still around.

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The whole left wing pro EU completely baffles me in all honesty fire .

I can't personally reconcile with anyone on the left who stands behind the EU hence my decision to give up my momentum membership .

I think it's fair to say we are both anti EU and maybe for different reasons but the fact remains the EU is detrimental to the working class .

Globalisation is detrimental , the left should be opposing it robustly to say the l least .

We need trade with friction because if you don't have that then you remove the barriers and give the elite the opportunity to do whatever they want .

The EU are fecking dangerous people in my opinion .

Emily Thornberry is threatening to crush the defectors.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47346008

Presumably by sitting on them.

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Originally Posted by animallittle3

The whole left wing pro EU completely baffles me in all honesty fire .

I can't personally reconcile with anyone on the left who stands behind the EU hence my decision to give up my momentum membership .

I think it's fair to say we are both anti EU and maybe for different reasons but the fact remains the EU is detrimental to the working class .

Globalisation is detrimental , the left should be opposing it robustly to say the l least .

We need trade with friction because if you don't have that then you remove the barriers and give the elite the opportunity to do whatever they want .

The EU are fecking dangerous people in my opinion .

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I am surprised by the number of people who seem to have strong pro-EU views.

I always thought people were either against it or indifferent.

Globalists and the Trotskyist left do have one thing in common though, both for open borders and unlimited immigration.

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Originally Posted by great_fire

Emily Thornberry is threatening to crush the defectors.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47346008

Presumably by sitting on them.

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Did you know that her constituency is only 40% Christian