Originally Posted by
roger_ramjet
FOR THE UK
What power have you got? As devolved many years ago via Runnymede from the monarchy but we really do need a constitution to back up the operating legislation and body of care law
Where did you get it from? see above, ultimately taken by force in Civil War as well
In whose interests do you use it? usually those of the politicians and the interest groups that back them financially
To whom are you accountable? The electorate by quinquennial (?) elections and via budgets etc that are audited. Not perfect - indeed far from it - but at least some
How do we get rid of you? Parliamentary and local authority elections
CONTRAST HOWEVER FOR THE EU
What power have you got? Almost absolute and growing
Where did you get it from? Took it by stealth
In whose interests do you use it? That of the Germans, the French and to a lesser extent the newly emergent EU member states until the Germans and French feel ready to rape them.
To whom are you accountable? Absolutely no-one as our accounts make clear by their non auditable state
How do we get rid of you? You don't, we get rid of you
So our system is far from perfect but there are significant differences which enable the people to control the extremes of parliament via the ultimate sanction of dismissal. Sadly the European Commission is an uncontrolled leviathan and the European parliament a toothless tiger. Massive constitutional reform is needed in the EU before it even approaches becoming vaguely democratic.
Sort that issue out, create accountability to all of the people who "pay for it" whatever country they reside in, review and then dismiss plans to federalise the system - although this becomes vaguely acceptable if there are democratically elected bodies making the decisions. Then you might get my vote as the tariff free customs/trading union has obvious advantages.
But stay and fight? Cnut had a better chance trying to make the tide go back. Stay and slowly lose that battle since the unelected civil service dont want to sign their own death warrants. Whats the point. Negotiate power away from a group that have no right to the power they have: good luck with that. Easier to try to wrestle power away from Putin