The Summer Transfer Window

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Originally Posted by RED_JOHN

I agree with what you are saying.
Personally though...I would like to see an end to this loan system nonsense. The richer clubs are stopping clubs like ourselves from getting certain players as the players themselves chase cash before football. I know it won’t stop overnight but I certainly would prefer no loans to teams in the same league and a total of 3 only loans including outs and ins for a season.
It certainly would make our club work harder trying to get the best out of our own players and would make our scouting system work a lot harder than it currently does.

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Completely agree that I wish we could ban loaning players completely as it just encourages stock piling of players. Chelsea currently have 41 players out on loan which is just ridiculous. Think how many players would be available to the likes of us if this were stopped. I realise we wouldn’t get any of these 41 but eventually some of these type of players would cascade down to us at a lower level of wages

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Originally Posted by afc1903mad

A fair shout, but this would need to be implemented across the league, otherwise were potentially just hamstringing ourselves

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Yes, it would need all the clubs to agree which would bring a fairness and more sporting nature to the game of football. Something which is sadly lacking at times.

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Originally Posted by Red Zone

Completely agree that I wish we could ban loaning players completely as it just encourages stock piling of players. Chelsea currently have 41 players out on loan which is just ridiculous. Think how many players would be available to the likes of us if this were stopped. I realise we wouldn’t get any of these 41 but eventually some of these type of players would cascade down to us at a lower level of wages

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It’s amazing how normal football fans like ourselves see an easily fixed problem for the benefit of the game in general but the money men/women at the top of our clubs don’t. Our own club loves a loan and even promote the philosophy behind it but don’t see the damage it creates to the sport in general. Teams are winning trophies with other teams players....sounds dodgy to me.

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Originally Posted by RED_JOHN

It’s amazing how normal football fans like ourselves see an easily fixed problem for the benefit of the game in general but the money men/women at the top of our clubs don’t. Our own club loves a loan and even promote the philosophy behind it but don’t see the damage it creates to the sport in general. Teams are winning trophies with other teams players....sounds dodgy to me.

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However we also use the loan system to benefit us.

Scott McKenna went out on loan and was subject to what would have been a record breaking sale for us.
McLennan was out on loan at Brechin.
Wright is on loan at Dundee and we’re all hoping he come back better for the experience.
Anderson is out to Dunfermline, benefitting from game time and again we hope he comes back a better player

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Originally Posted by RED_JOHN

It’s amazing how normal football
fans like ourselves see an easily fixed problem for the benefit of the game in general but the money men/women at the top of our clubs don’t. Our own club loves a loan and even promote the philosophy behind it but don’t see the damage it creates to the sport in general. Teams are winning trophies with other teams players....sounds dodgy to me.

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The money men have no interest in what is good for the game, just protecting the cartel that exists that ensures the top teams keep out the riff raff from their cosy cartel.

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Originally Posted by afc1903mad

However we also use the loan system to benefit us.

Scott McKenna went out on loan and was subject to what would have been a record breaking sale for us.
McLennan was out on loan at Brechin.
Wright is on loan at Dundee and we’re all hoping he come back better for the experience.
Anderson is out to Dunfermline, benefitting from game time and again we hope he comes back a better player

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I know all about who was loaned where. The point being that loaning players to other teams is not creating a sporting chance for clubs. The whole loan system is completely wrong. If Chelsea for example loan out 40 odd players that is just absolutely ridiculous. 3 loan players whether in or out your club should be more than ample for each club to cope with.
We ourselves loan far too many players in and out our club. Football as a sport is ruined as the business side of it has killed it as a fair sport. Nothing will convince me otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Red Zone

The money men have no interest in what is good for the game, just protecting the cartel that exists that ensures the top teams keep out the riff raff from their cosy cartel.

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Spot on. The sport and the normal fan are getting fleeced and cheated by the big wigs. I certainly don’t expect any club in our country to be standing up for an honourable change in how we compete. It’s not in their interest to make football more sporting.

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Originally Posted by RED_JOHN

I know all about who was loaned where. The point being that loaning players to other teams is not creating a sporting chance for clubs. The whole loan system is completely wrong. If Chelsea for example loan out 40 odd players that is just absolutely ridiculous. 3 loan players whether in or out your club should be more than ample for each club to cope with.
We ourselves loan far too many players in and out our club. Football as a sport is ruined as the business side of it has killed it as a fair sport. Nothing will convince me otherwise.

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Agree with all this - I don't understand what the point in someone like Chelsea loaning 40 players out every season is - about 38 of them are never ever going to play for Chelsea first team anyway. Why don't they save themselves a load of money and just not buy those 38 players in the first place.

For us, we tend to get about 1 loan deal right every season - this year it's been Lowe (and I guess Ball has done fine too, but he was here last year as well). The rest have been useless. As have most of our signings.

By the end of this season we'll have signed Forrester for £200k who made about 5 sub appearances before being released; Halford who quite possibly won't have played a single game; Gleeson who'll have made a handful of substitute appearances. Wilson on loan will have made a few sub appearances, Hoban on loan played about 3 times and was injured the rest of the time, Stewart played a few times and then disappeared.

If we have another transfer window as rubbish as last summer we're going to be absolutely honking next season given that quite a few are likely to leave and need replaced.

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Originally Posted by Don_Corleone

Agree with all this - I don't understand what the point in someone like Chelsea loaning 40 players out every season is - about 38 of them are never ever going to play for Chelsea first team anyway. Why don't they save themselves a load of money and just not buy those 38 players in the first place.

For us, we tend to get about 1 loan deal right every season - this year it's been Lowe (and I guess Ball has done fine too, but he was here last year as well). The rest have been useless. As have most of our signings.

By the end of this season we'll have signed Forrester for £200k who made about 5 sub appearances before being released; Halford who quite possibly won't have played a single game; Gleeson who'll have made a handful of substitute appearances. Wilson on loan will have made a few sub appearances, Hoban on loan played about 3 times and was injured the rest of the time, Stewart played a few times and then disappeared.

If we have another transfer window as rubbish as last summer we're going to be absolutely honking next season given that quite a few are likely to leave and need replaced.

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Large turnovers of players is the norm in Scotland.
Look at the Dhims & SEVCO.
Their turnover will be at least as high as ours.

My problem is that I don’t think the recruiters (McInnes & Richardson) are very good at it.
As has been witnessed in the last few windows.
No manager ever has a perfect transfer record, but the last 18-24 months have been pretty poor in the main.

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Originally Posted by RedStarTorphins

Large turnovers of players is the norm in Scotland.
Look at the Dhims & SEVCO.
Their turnover will be at least as high as ours.

My problem is that I don’t think the recruiters (McInnes & Richardson) are very good at it.
As has been witnessed in the last few windows.
No manager ever has a perfect transfer record, but the last 18-24 months have been pretty poor in the main.

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Yeah, that's it - football has become quite a short term thing now - often get players coming in who only last a season and then move on. We have small resources in relation to the expectations so we're probably always going to bring in some guys who don't meet the standard - like you say it just seems that in the last 2 or 3 windows our strike rate has been poorer than normal.