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You (and others) are having major comprehension problems with my posts. If the law comes in that limits the offence to placing a camera under a woman's skirt to take a picture then all the other scenarios I raise are excluded. So if I know of a beach where it is usual for people to change and accidental displays can happen then I could go there with a high powered telephoto lens and get some very intimate quality photos, but these won't be covered because you and others in the rush to get a law passed have had no debate but just taken the "obvious" route.
My argument is simply that it should be debated and the parameters made clear. It is clear that we are incapable of such clarity here because everyone is in a rush to call me a dirty old man whilst totally missing the need for debate.
Got it now?
Sorry, my frustration was coming through.
Have a look at http://www.keepcalmtalklaw.co.uk/ups...womens-rights/ which is a measured appraisal of what is proposed - and in my view it is too narrow. Digital photography has changed the game, not just smartphones. Years back you'd have to take your photo somewhere to be processed unless you had your own lab, and then you'd have no easy way of distributing them.
Nowadays even quite small photos can take "candid" photos from a distance. I'd really open up the legistlation and this is where the debate is to be had. The laws need to catch up with the technology.
I said I agree to having a debate three times now. Upskirting is using a camera to take pictures of a woman's genitals up her skirt. It's even called upskirting so it's pretty obvious what it is, using a camera to take pictures up someone's skirt, got it?
Looking at someone bent over on a beach is not upskirting as you're not taking a picture of someone's genitals up a skirt. Got it?
Whether other laws cover that I'm not sure but we can debate them as and when they arise. This specific one is pretty clear what it is.
It’s Burns’ Night , I chance to stray into a local bar , and one of the more inebriated, and ***ually aggressive members of the female clientele happens to stick their Samsung Galaxy up my kilt( hopefully not on the end of a "selfie stick"), does that count as up-skirting, ***ual harassment , demeaning my cultural identity, or racism. ?
I think you're right to raise the issues, Old_pie. The further we move to gray areas, the harder it becomes to be certain.
From another perspective I think it's worth asking why this has come up now. In light of sll the #metoo allegations floating around about some rather horrendous assaults and coercion, politicians want to be seen as *doing something*. And what could be better than doing something highly publicized that nobody would disagree with, but really does nothing meaningful about the actual problem.
#metoo didn't come about because a 14 year old kid snuck a peak of a woman's panties.