Really and you speak for me as a Britexiteer? It's still only guesswork what will happen anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Akwesasne
I won't change my vote.
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Really and you speak for me as a Britexiteer? It's still only guesswork what will happen anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Akwesasne
I won't change my vote.
:mad:
So what you're saying is, you're a federalist at heartQuote:
Originally Posted by Akwesasne
You advocate, ever closer union- run by an undemocratic committee/ one law/one currency/one financial system/one army/no borders/in effect a closed shop?
He's one for you Basie, it's right up your alley.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xvuHMgPq38
Did we not fight a war in the not too distant past to stop exactly this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Trickytreesreds
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Yes Angry we did-Quote:
Originally Posted by AngryRam
Folks think this is a good idea? It's scary.
USSR, Yugoslavia anyone?
Don't think he said that at all Tricky...those are all you're assumptions. You can be pro 'Remain' but still be critical of the way the EU has developed.
To put it in a football context, many on here have been critical of the way DCFC were run last season...doubtless you likewise at Forest...does that mean that support has to be withdrawn? No...we say our piece, aim for constructive change and continue to support.
Anyway, what is so democratic about 17.5m deciding what the vast majority should do and being led into it by a PM who will have been chosen by a tiny percentage of the electorate on the back of a load of political bile and yobbery by a loudmouth who has never managed to get himself elected and has since resigned?
The BoE statements today don't look good time to batten down the hatches, the next decade is going to be rough.
1.Critical of the EU, yet change nothing. 70 attempts to do, 70 failures.Quote:
Originally Posted by ramAnag
2. democracy, runs on the majority deciding. 17.5 went one way, 16 went the other. That looks like a majority for me.
Therefore democracy QED.
By your analogy, we wouldn't ever have a general election result in this country. 72.5% turned out for the referendum. The highest in 25 years. How clear cut do you want it?
3. That "LOUDMOUTH" you talk about has represented the UK in the European parliament with 26.6% of the national vote. A little party blowing the two big boys into submission. How? Because folks wanted someone with the balls to stand up to the EU. He has done so, from day one.
What bile do you speak of? Standing up to political bullying(try Ireland Portugal Greece)/uncontrolled immigration/Eu laws/ sneaky treaties passed through?
The thing you keep missing is down to one word DEMOCRACY-
If you don't like what he says, then it's your prerogative not to and not to vote for him.
Under the EU you wouldn't get that choice. Now you need to find a dark corner and have a lie down.
Yes Triz, doomsday is happening right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by triz
http://www.londonstockexchange.com/e...html?index=UKX
a couple of points, not sure who I'm agreeing/disagreeing with but hey hoQuote:
Originally Posted by Trickytreesreds
Loving my musical references, there's a line in a Rush song 'If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice', and I think that sums up how those who didn't vote should be considered - they couldn't be arsed to vote so they are clearly prepared to go with the eventual decision.
Also, as I was yet again listening to Radio 4 last night with my pipe cocoa and slippers in situ there was an interview with a Swiss about their vote of a few years ago to tighten immigration, won by 50.3% to 49.7%. When asked if there was a hoohaa from the losing side he said 'why would there be, the majority side prevails no matter how small the majority - we are used to this as we vote as a nation on around 10 -12 things every year, some close, some not so close'. Maybe UK need to hold MORE referendums to stop us getting so wound up about them
You can keep talking about 'Democracy' as much as you like Tricky but you can't tell me what is 'democratic' about an electorate of 40+ million being 'governed' by the decision of 17.5m in a two option situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trickytreesreds
As I've said before, General Elections are entirely different...there will be three, four or more candidates (options) but in a two option choice it is not democratic for the wishes of an active minority to determine the future of a much greater majority and that is what is happening.
I don't agree with everything about the EU by any means but I disagree a whole lot more with the prospect of being led into a self imposed recession by many - not all - of those who voted 'Leave' on the basis of objection to immigration and a load of lies written on the side of a bus.
As for Farage...it's easy to be paid well to go and become a representative of something you just set out to destroy. Rather more difficult to bring about positive change. Thanks anyway Nigel...for the collapse in the value of the pound, the increase in hate crime and the likely break up of the U.K. What a legacy...just what we needed.
Andy...a referendum might be useful for DCFC supporters to vote on who the next iPro statue should be...but as far as such complex issues as the EU are concerned, please let's leave it to the politicians we've already voted for and the 'experts' in future. Hopefully we can still avoid the trigger on the gun that's pointing at the other foot.