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06-01-2018, 06:48 PM
JoePass

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Originally Posted by andy6025

Tarkers, if you want to argue about a book neither of us have read, be my guest. However, I prefer to attack him on issues such as NK and climate change. On the last issue alone I would have thought that you'd be appalled by Trump and that it'd be what we call a 'deal-breaker', but instead your overall rating of Trump as president seems ambiguous at best, if not favourable.

Come on you PIesssssss
06-01-2018, 06:51 PM
seriouspie

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Originally Posted by jackal2

I certainly understand the point you're making.

When you watch a lot of the TV news broadcasts, and even light entertainment programmes such as comedy here in the UK, there is a certain political tone which is presented as if it is without doubt the predominant view in the country and people are generally in agreement with it. Certainly that was the case prior to the Brexit vote, where the overriding presumption in the months leading up to the vote was that the country would ultimately vote to 'Remain'. It was also broadly 'accepted' here that Donald Trump would not win the US Presidency. In fact, if you watched the result night broadcasts for both of these events on pretty much any UK news channel, the studio discussions for the first four hours or so pretty much maintained this assumption, with all the talk being about how the 'Leave' or Republican camps would respond to their inevitable defeat. Meanwhile, the vote totals at the bottom of the screen were telling an entirely different story to anybody who bothered to raise their head and look!

Later in the night, when it became apparent that both results had gone very differently to what was 'expected', you then got the next phenomenon of those who felt their view was shared by everyone reacting with complete shock and incredulity. They simply could not process in their minds the fact that, in reality, the "silent majority" you mention had been thinking something different all along. By the next day, you then saw on Twitter (for example) a reaction you could only describe as a temper tantrum from these folk, lambasting the nation for having the temerity to think something different to them. The shock was palpably genuine, because these chattering classes and tweeting classes spend their entire time effectively talking to themselves and reassuring each other that everyone thinks like they do!

Meanwhile, in the real world (and especially north of Watford or in Rust Belt America!), the average man/woman in the street looked at the Brexit or Presidential result and thought, well, we did tell you what we thought all along, but nobody seemed to be listening!

Jackal

I think this is the best appraisal I've read on this thread so far. - absolutely spot on. Naturally it's because it's what I want to read but I'm just so pig sick of the 'LW Intelligentsia' and their so called liberal views that post on here. Thanks to God this 'intelligent' flotsam will never rule England.
06-01-2018, 06:52 PM
seriouspie

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Originally Posted by tarquinbeech

The term "silent majority" refers to the electorate that do not vocally express their views, attend rallies or demonstrate, nothing to do with the numbers of people that vote for either candidate....the more that the left~wing Socialists try to express their outrage on forums, call for their "days of rage", scream about Russian interference....the more silly they look IMO....it is similar to the Remoaners blaming anything and everything on Brexit, whilst the Tories quite simply get on with the job of carrying out the wishes of the electorate in extricating ourselves from the failed experiment of a Socialist European Empire.

Trump was elected to run his country for 4 years and he is getting on with the job of carrying out his election promises....no amount of screaming and yelling from a few lefties on here or in the MSM in general will alter that.....I suggest that Andy, Sid and a few others save their energy and wait until they have something tangible to shoot him down for....note that I did not even enter this debate until post 60, because like the whole Brexit debate, the votes have been counted, the result announced and no amount of rhetoric from a few sad losers encased in their own echo~chamber will alter that fact.

Personally I could not give a toss who runs the USA as long as I do not get vapourised in a nuclear strike, it is just funny reading the comments of the same group of people on here sat around in a communal circle~jerk commiserating each other on how they can have gotten public opinion so badly wrong....again.

Yep!
06-01-2018, 06:53 PM
JoePass

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Originally Posted by seriouspie

Jackal

I think this is the best appraisal I've read on this thread so far. - absolutely spot on. Naturally it's because it's what I want to read but I'm just so pig sick of the 'LW Intelligentsia' and their so called liberal views that post on here. Thanks to God this 'intelligent' flotsam will never rule England.

Trump and Brexit...just wonderful.
06-01-2018, 07:18 PM
seriouspie

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Originally Posted by JoePass

Trump and Brexit...just wonderful.

Exactly Joseph - God save the Queen and thanks to uncle Sam in conflicts past.
06-01-2018, 07:33 PM
TouchEm

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Originally Posted by seriouspie

If you were old enough or intelligent enough you should know. Let this old time self confessed proud Englishman help you out with an elementary expression.

"TAILSPIN" ........ Generally accepted as something or somebody being out of control.

This saying originated possibly from aircraft spinning out of control to the ground. i.e the tail was spinning with the plane in the vertical position.

What’s your problem with people’s ages and your arrogance ie being more experienced and intelligent
06-01-2018, 07:41 PM
AltyPie

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Originally Posted by drillerpie

Unemployment remains low - the key word here is remains, it means it was already low when he came to power.

I agree it was low when he came to power but it has continued to drop.
Do you think this would be a more accurate description of current US unemployment:

US unemployment is now the lowest it has been for 10 years.
US unemployment was relatively low when Trump came to power (at about 4.8%) and has dropped 15% in his first year in power to now stand at 4.1%.

https://data.bls.gov/pdq/SurveyOutpu...me=LN_cpsbref3
06-01-2018, 07:42 PM
JoePass

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Originally Posted by AltyPie

I agree it was low when he came to power but it has continued to drop.
Do you think this would be a more accurate description of current US unemployment:

US unemployment is now the lowest it has been for 10 years.
US unemployment was relatively low when Trump came to power (at about 4.8%) and has dropped 15% in his first year in power to now stand at 4.1%.

https://data.bls.gov/pdq/SurveyOutpu...me=LN_cpsbref3

Trump haters, get a life....the Donald is doing ok.
06-01-2018, 07:49 PM
drillerpie

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Originally Posted by AltyPie

I agree it was low when he came to power but it has continued to drop.
Do you think this would be a more accurate description of current US unemployment:

US unemployment is now the lowest it has been for 10 years.
US unemployment was relatively low when Trump came to power (at about 4.8%) and has dropped 15% in his first year in power to now stand at 4.1%.

https://data.bls.gov/pdq/SurveyOutpu...me=LN_cpsbref3

Good to see, but you could also interpret that as the continuation of a downward trend which has been there since 2010. The rate of job creation doesn't seem to have increased or declined significantly in the last year.
06-01-2018, 08:11 PM
AltyPie

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Originally Posted by drillerpie

Good to see, but you could also interpret that as the continuation of a downward trend which has been there since 2010. The rate of job creation doesn't seem to have increased or declined significantly in the last year.

This isn't the beginning of a bi-partisan circle jerk is it? :O

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