Alto, I fail to see any advantage of doing something that hurts both parties just to make a petty point.
I really think a lot of hard Brexiteers are self harmers.
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Alto, I fail to see any advantage of doing something that hurts both parties just to make a petty point.
I really think a lot of hard Brexiteers are self harmers.
I see your point 59/60
But I don't see the point of pandering to THEIR procedure when we have voted to leave, being told what we can and cannot have is out of order IMO, I cannot see all the other members not wanting to do business with us, and if they don't want to do that business there is another 80% of the world we can deal with more on OUR terms, maybe not really on our terms but not being held to ransom which seems what is happening, and I can tell you 59/60, it is really P!ssing me off big time the way we are being made to look feeble by this shower of unelected, self serving EU bigots.
I can see your point too Alto.
But, as someone said this week, this is not a divorce, it is us deciding to leave a club - and expecting the club to change their rules to suit us.
If you were the chairman of the club then you wouldn't/couldn't allow this to happen.
We have told them we are leaving. Fair enough. But do you really expect us to get special treatment over the rest of the members who are signed up to the customs union, free movement etc.etc?
It's like leaving a bowling club but expecting to be allowed to continue to play, for less membership fees and be able to bring our mates along.
Look at it from their side Alto, If you were in charge, and, say, France wanted to leave but to retain many benefits without any of the responsibility, would you allow it? what would your other members think?
If we simply want to leave then fair enough. But don't expect them to change their rules to suit us in doing so.
It really is simple in my mind 59/60
We come out of the EU, No trade agreements, No Free movement, any Brits already living in the EU allowed to remain, any EU subjects currently living in the UK allowed to stay, that is fair and simple.
We are one of the biggest contributes, yet we purchase more than we sell to them, we go elsewhere for our goods, like I said we will both hurt in the short term but I'm sure the EU will soon come down from their lofty perch and come looking for a deal, its too much for them to lose, its not playing tit for tat, its leaving which is what this Country voted for, not some red tape bollox Theresa May and especially the EU are faffing around with.
Unfortunately May still hasn't grasped that the EU is perfectly prepared to damage their own economies, along with ours, to make a political point and 'encourager les autres'. She seemed to think that she was dealing with reasonable, rational people, she isn't, as many of us have known all along, but I'm not sure the penny has dropped for her even yet.
Done it myself Supersub.All the way to Turkey in a HGV.Stopping at every border and back then they even started adding borders.From Czech to Slovak Republic then another 5 border crossings in the old Yugoslavia.Funnily enough it seemed OK at the time and the pace of life was much more laid back.
I went by train to Milan in 1965 to watch the European Cup Final at the San Siro. It was long before we were in the EU, every now and then a customs officer came down the train checking passports, it all seemed perfectly civilised and normal, no worries for me if we go back to something similar.
It was always going to be like this Sinkov.
People like Boris etc who told us that we would get a better deal than if we stayed in because "they need us more than we need them" are now proving to have misled many who voted for Brexit.
It was obvious that the EU would not give us a better deal than those who remain as full members. But people actually believed that this would be the case and are now blaming the EU.
Only two options now. Leave with no deal or remain.
And only the people can decide this.
We have already decided 1959_60. We voted to leave.