things are stiring

[bolt]

with 2 Rsss

it would appear that Fresnoseblue,Bris Blue Spion,and my self are not alone in our analysis
of Clarks demise

Sometimes, it really doesn’t matter who the manager is; just who runs the club. Leeds United, Birmingham City. The basket cases. Does anyone really imagine a simple manager can effect the necessary change, long term?

He is the stooge, the patsy, there to harvest the blame and take responsibility as if this is his narrative to influence. The real culprits, the architects of calamity, are the owners, the custodians. And all they do is point fingers.






Extract from tomorrows Dail Mail

It is the same story at Birmingham City. They have won once at home since October 1, 2013 and last week sacked manager Lee Clark.

Some would see that as inevitable. Yet Clark was operating with one of the lowest wage bills in the division, and a transfer budget of free transfers and loans. He hadn’t been getting good results but who could?

The club have been in turmoil almost s

[aKROKiwi]

Bolt can this analysis also be applied to other sacked managers such as Willie Bell, Barry Fry, & Smith and one who wasn't, McLeish - who after all "got" us relegated? Were they more or less incompetent than Clark?

Saunders and John Bond weren't sacked; but presumably it applies to anyone who had to work under the Wheldon regime too? So isn't it stating the bleeding obvious?

As I have said elsewhere it is clear the Board/owners have presided over this fiasco - however this does not excuse the players in responsibility for the weekend's atrocity, which wholly and solely of their creation (or Clark for his bizarre selection and tactical practices).

The players need to be held to book for Saturday just as Clark and the owners/Board need to be for theirs. Clark was the manager . He was responsible for on field performances. Which too often stank. He is now not the manager, and on merit.

The players are responsible for Saturday's fiasco, and must be held accountable in the same way

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KROK
None of the managers you mention have had to put up with this diobolical drawn out saga from a board such as the current board ,any manager would be driven to desperation,even the Kumars were not as bad as this lot at least they went within a few months .

why you are trying to blame Clark for the 8-0 drubbing is beyond me .Resposibility lies firmly at the feet of the players ,who are and always have been of a very poor standard because the cost pluck all

if you had listend to BRMB on satarday which i appreciate would be hard from your current posistion .all the fans who had been to the game where having ago at the players and the board they where all also saying that Randolph was a quote clown of a goalkeeper , i note in your apprasial of the game you thought he had played well, how Doyle did not keep the shirt after his midweek performance i can not understand

The article in the Daily Mail was highlighting Leeds United and Birmingham city as the prime contender for how ow

[Fresnoblue]

I think the situation is far beyond blaming the players. Football clubs are just like businesses and, in my experience, a failure of a business is always a failure of management. Sure you expect the employees (players/coaching staff) to act professionally and work hard, but they are simply the most visible manifestation of the organisational failure. Businesses and Football Clubs do not fail because the employees happen to put in a poor shift.
I sincerely hope that Mr Rowett can turn things around, dump the under-performers and get results. But I am not holding my breath. Blues look like IBM in the 1990's. A major club in steady and rapid decline with under-investment in their core assets and a failing strategy. Gary Rowett may be a good coach but he is powerless to address the real issues at Blues.
I hope I am wrong.
KRO

[aKROKiwi]

I think the situation is far beyond blaming the players. Football clubs are just like businesses and, in my experience, a failure of a business is always a failure of management. Sure you expect the employees (players/coaching staff) to act professionally and work hard, but they are simply the most visible manifestation of the organisational failure. Businesses and Football Clubs do not fail because the employees happen to put in a poor shift.
... Gary Rowett may be a good coach but he is powerless to address the real issues at Blues.
I hope I am wrong.
KRO

Well I agree with that. However the employees are responsible for their own efforts and the poor efforts of 7-8 players - whom Id - against Bournemouth were terrible and not the fault of anyone other than themselves. It is puerile to pretend otherwise.

If the employees were interested in saving the company and their jobs they would give their best. I do hope that what

[aKROKiwi]

Bolt I am at lost to see where I wrote that Lee Clark was to blame for the Bournemouth fiasco - Id the players who thought were. Lee Clark produced plenty of fiascoes but he did not produce that one.

The Board were not responsible for the Bournemouth fiasco, although they are responsible for plenty else. It is childish to blame the performance of the team against Bournemouth on the board and as I said below I do not see how the "efforts" in that game of Robinson, Grounds, Cotterill, Novak, Donaldson & Caddis could be described as those of either professionals or adults who had any sense of loyalty to their stakeholders, or sense of self worth even. I do not see how the board "caused" this - it defies logic and the most basic precepts of psychology and behavioural science to claim that is so.

With regard to the previous managers as I recall John Bond departed saying "You wouldn't treat a dog the way I've been treated here". No doubt he had his reasons - which I should have t

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For get all the the post analysis of the past 3 years we are in this posistion because the board has allowed the club to degenerate to were we are today the buck must surley stop at them at the end of the day they run the club and like a captain who runs a ship the blame must lie at there feet

anyway this far more of a worry for me

£22m bank loans secured on “land and buildings in the UK”; unquestionably St Andrew’s" KRO