The Next Vote

[9goals2hattricks3pen]

May's deal is dead in the water so the next vote for our parliamentary representatives should be a simple binary choice.

Leave on the March 29th

Revoke Article 50 and remain in the E.U.

[mickd1961]

We’ve had a vote.

Are we just going to vote until we get the result you remainers want?

Democracy my a r se !

[goodlordmurphy]

We’ve had a vote.

Are we just going to vote until we get the result you remainers want?

Democracy my a r se !

A bit like the comic 'Fergie Time' banner....'Until we score'...

[WBA123]

We’ve had a vote.

Are we just going to vote until we get the result you remainers want?

Democracy my a r se !

Something people should know when they talk about 'Democracy'

We live in a constitution where our Parliament is sovereign. This means parliament has supreme legal authority over any other body in the UK.

Last week parliament voted to reject a No Deal Brexit.

That essentially means now that a No Deal Brexit is anti democratic.

[9goals2hattricks3pen]

We’ve had a vote.

Are we just going to vote until we get the result you remainers want?

Democracy my a r se !

Whoa!

I am no remainer far from it.

It forces our 'representatives' to make a decision 'their will' or 'the will of the people' and take the consequences.

Interestingly 123 seems the only other one on here in favour. It's actually the action favoured by his least favourite politician the 'hypocrite' that is Nigel Farage. Strikes as yet another rare example of one who is true to his words.

[kettering_baggie]

Theresa’s so-called deal is dead, hopefully. Actually, it isn’t a deal, it’s a withdrawal treaty, any long term deal would be negotiated after we entered into that withdrawal agreement and who knows what we would end up with? All the other so-called relationships being mentioned would tie us to the EU in one way or another, which is not what people who voted leave voted for; I believe that by voting leave, they actually meant ‘Leave’. Personally, I want another referendum. If we have one and the result is leave, then that is the democratic view of the voters at that time. If the vote were to be remain, then that also is the democratic view of the voters at that time. Democratic whichever way another referendum goes. The villains of all this are Theresa May and her awful government, not forgetting of course, good old Dave who instigated the whole mess in the first place.

What, though, would be the best option for the prosperity and security of all of us and especially for our children? That would be for Parliament to just revoke Article 50 and for us to go back to playing a full part in the EU, where we have had as much of a say as anyone else over the past 40 years or so. I’ll settle for the referendum, though..........

[WBA123]

Theresa’s so-called deal is dead, hopefully. Actually, it isn’t a deal, it’s a withdrawal treaty, any long term deal would be negotiated after we entered into that withdrawal agreement and who knows what we would end up with? All the other so-called relationships being mentioned would tie us to the EU in one way or another, which is not what people who voted leave voted for; I believe that by voting leave, they actually meant ‘Leave’. Personally, I want another referendum. If we have one and the result is leave, then that is the democratic view of the voters at that time. If the vote were to be remain, then that also is the democratic view of the voters at that time. Democratic whichever way another referendum goes. The villains of all this are Theresa May and her awful government, not forgetting of course, good old Dave who instigated the whole mess in the first place.

What, though, would be the best option for the prosperity and security of all of us and especially for our children? That would be for Parliament to just revoke Article 50 and for us to go back to playing a full part in the EU, where we have had as much of a say as anyone else over the past 40 years or so. I’ll settle for the referendum, though..........

Completely agree with all of this KB

[WBA123]

Whoa!

I am no remainer far from it.

It forces our 'representatives' to make a decision 'their will' or 'the will of the people' and take the consequences.

Interestingly 123 seems the only other one on here in favour. It's actually the action favoured by his least favourite politician the 'hypocrite' that is Nigel Farage. Strikes as yet another rare example of one who is true to his words.

Let's not forget Farage campaigned for a Norway/Swiss style deal, that gives us less control over our borders than what we have now - because both of those nations are in the Schengen area.

He did this also by campaigning to 'control our borders', something he knew we could already do as it is written into EU law.

Let's not forget he also set up an account in the Isle of Man to avoid paying tax, whilst at the same time also criticising other MEPs for not paying enough tax.

Lets also not forget he was fined £35k for misspending public funds. He has also been fined by the UK electoral commission for not declaring gifts received.

Let's not forget he campaigned for UK fishing rights, by attending only 1 out of 42 EU fisheries meetings. And he has the 3rd worst attendance record out of all 750 MEP's.

Finally, let's not forget that he is a multi millionaire who earns at least £200k per year on '2nd jobs' outside of his MEP salary of €100k, although the true figures are unknown because he doesn't declare it. But he has recently said he is 'skint' whilst posturing to everyone else about the 'elite' class...

I could probably go on and on.

Farage is many things, true to his word he is not.

[BaldricksCunningPlan]

May's deal is dead in the water so the next vote for our parliamentary representatives should be a simple binary choice.

Leave on the March 29th

Revoke Article 50 and remain in the E.U.

The Leave or Remain vote has already been taken. It was a binary choice. The UK decided to leave.

The only vote left is for MP's to take depending if Bercow allows the vote to take place.

That is also a binary choice. Accept or reject the Withdrawal Treaty. There is only one Treaty. Nowhere does it state Remain.

If Mp's reject the Treaty or Bercow stops the vote. Its all over.
Parliament could try to Revoke Art 50 but the Treaties that bind us to the Art 50 process. Cease to exist on 29th March. This means a whole raft of votes and motions to replace what has already been repealed.It will also need to be ratified by the HOL and require Royal assent.
In other words. It would take months to Revoke Art 50 and even then. It would require support in both UK Parliament and EU Parliament.
On top of that. It would require another Referendum or a General Election. In addition to that. It would require an extension which has not been agreed and would also require the UK to field candidates for European Elections.
Revoking Art50 is an absolute quagmire.
Give it up guys. Its all over. Now is the time for acceptance.

[WBA123]

The Leave or Remain vote has already been taken. It was a binary choice. The UK decided to leave.

The only vote left is for MP's to take depending if Bercow allows the vote to take place.

That is also a binary choice. Accept or reject the Withdrawal Treaty. There is only one Treaty. Nowhere does it state Remain.

If Mp's reject the Treaty or Bercow stops the vote. Its all over.
Parliament could try to Revoke Art 50 but the Treaties that bind us to the Art 50 process. Cease to exist on 29th March. This means a whole raft of votes and motions to replace what has already been repealed.It will also need to be ratified by the HOL and require Royal assent.
In other words. It would take months to Revoke Art 50 and even then. It would require support in both UK Parliament and EU Parliament.
On top of that. It would require another Referendum or a General Election. In addition to that. It would require an extension which has not been agreed and would also require the UK to field candidates for European Elections.
Revoking Art50 is an absolute quagmire.
Give it up guys. Its all over. Now is the time for acceptance.

HoL have a remain majority, Royal assent is a quick process just for traditional reasons, that won't interfere with the decision making of Hoc or HoL. The EU would rather us be a member than not be, so if parliament revoked article 50, it would actually be a relatively simple process.

The hard thing would be if we were to hold another referendum, that would take months and months of planning. We should probably have been in this position a year or more ago so we could have held another referendum to ask people what they really wanted to happen before the March 29th deadline.