OT / Trump & Immigrant Children

[RoyalBulwell]

The law is that parents being held for prosecution will not have their children held alongside them. The law was introduced by G.W. Bush. In neither the Bush nor Obama administration did the US prosecute parents when they were accompanied by their children. Instead they were either immediately deported or granted temporary asylum while their immigration case was waiting to be heard. Only in rare cases (for example, when there were legitimate concerns that the accompanying adults weren't actually related to the kids they brought along) were supposed parents and children separated.

In contrast to this practice, Trump has declared a 'zero tolerance' policy and ordered immigration authorities to prosecute any illegal immigrants even if they have accompanying children - which then separates the children from their parents and puts them in a facility much like a prison (now around 2000 children). Trump has indicated that he won't allow this law to be changed unless Dems approve of funding for the border wall that he previously claimed would be paid for by Mexico.

So despite the incorrect information that some hardcore republicans are claiming that this was going on under Obama (who I'm no fan of), this is actually very new. And public opinion polls show that a firm majority of Americsns don't support Trump's handling of this issue.

So I ask again - how is this anything other than an own goal by Trump?

...and I'm also surprised at you Tony: as a Christian that appears to take theology quite seriously, shouldn't you be more compassionate, particularly when it involves children? How do you think Jesus would respond to a matter like this?

What WAS going on under Obama was hundreds of thousands of undocumented illegal immigrants wondering all over the USA, an awful lot of them criminals, most of them with an insurance policy of deliberately having Children to protect them from the law of the land.
That has now been stopped, the children are now being cared for, far, far better by the immigration authorities than they ever were by their parents.
The "cages" are so exaggerated & short term for the use of the media, the children are getting on going care in buildings, not cages.
What we have to do is solve this mass migration problem that is happening all over the world,all successful economies are vulnerable to these massive influxes, its the soft ones that are targeted by the migrants such as Europe, what has followed is a complete loss of identity as the migrants bring their muslim stone-age beliefs with them, not many going to China or Russia though.
Reminds me of the Merkel debacle, so called "refugee children", the first thing they ask for is a razor blade to shave off their 30 year old beards.

[i961pie]

What WAS going on under Obama was hundreds of thousands of undocumented illegal immigrants wondering all over the USA, an awful lot of them criminals, most of them with an insurance policy of deliberately having Children to protect them from the law of the land.
That has now been stopped, the children are now being cared for, far, far better by the immigration authorities than they ever were by their parents.
The "cages" are so exaggerated & short term for the use of the media, the children are getting on going care in buildings, not cages.
What we have to do is solve this mass migration problem that is happening all over the world,all successful economies are vulnerable to these massive influxes, its the soft ones that are targeted by the migrants such as Europe, what has followed is a complete loss of identity as the migrants bring their muslim stone-age beliefs with them, not many going to China or Russia though.
Reminds me of the Merkel debacle, so called "refugee children", the first thing they ask for is a razor blade to shave off their 30 year old beards.

You have to remember our Canadian friend hates Trump, he kept calling him a ***** and said his threats against North Korea were hollow. But low and behold he got Kim to the table and things seem to have calmed down.

[RoyalBulwell]

You have to remember our Canadian friend hates Trump, he kept calling him a ***** and said his threats against North Korea were hollow. But low and behold he got Kim to the table and things seem to have calmed down.

This Andy fellow a Canadian then I suppose?, Lovely Country in my opinion, beautiful from my 2 visits there.
Thought about living there, that was soon stopped when I could not meet the criteria..... if only I was of another religion with 7 kids & earning nothing.

In all honesty just cannot see all the hate towards Trump, he was elected on what he said he would do & he is doing it, he will go down as one of the great POTUS's.

[jacobncfc]

What WAS going on under Obama was hundreds of thousands of undocumented illegal immigrants wondering all over the USA, an awful lot of them criminals, most of them with an insurance policy of deliberately having Children to protect them from the law of the land.
That has now been stopped, the children are now being cared for, far, far better by the immigration authorities than they ever were by their parents.
The "cages" are so exaggerated & short term for the use of the media, the children are getting on going care in buildings, not cages.
What we have to do is solve this mass migration problem that is happening all over the world,all successful economies are vulnerable to these massive influxes, its the soft ones that are targeted by the migrants such as Europe, what has followed is a complete loss of identity as the migrants bring their muslim stone-age beliefs with them, not many going to China or Russia though.
Reminds me of the Merkel debacle, so called "refugee children", the first thing they ask for is a razor blade to shave off their 30 year old beards.

There are huge numbers of migrants in Russia and China.

The only way that you’ll ever stop mass illegal migration is by making the world more economically equal. How you do that? I don’t know, to be honest. Walls, moats, child concentration camps, gun boats on the med and whatever else will have a completely negligible effect whilst someone in Guatemala or Somalia has a much worse life than someone in America or Britain, purely through the accident of birth.

[Airborn Pie]

There are huge numbers of migrants in Russia and China.

The only way that you’ll ever stop mass illegal migration is by making the world more economically equal. How you do that? I don’t know, to be honest. Walls, moats, child concentration camps, gun boats on the med and whatever else will have a completely negligible effect whilst someone in Guatemala or Somalia has a much worse life than someone in America or Britain, purely through the accident of birth.

Not true, despite World wide condemnation, the Australian stance on illegal, boat migration has been a complete success in stopping arrivals AFAIK.

On the second point, the economic welfare and prosperity of any nation, is the responsibility of their own government, not ours. The oft quoted situation in India is a prime example where the rulers prefer a space programme to decent housing and sanitation, same with China to a large extent.

Billions have been pumped in to infrastructure and aid in the third World and it's all been gobbled up by corruption.

[sidders]

'Not true, despite World wide condemnation, the Australian stance on illegal, boat migration has been a complete success in stopping arrivals AFAIK.'
And why do you think the Australian way attracted worldwide condemnation, Airborn? Because it treated people like animals, stripping them of their rights.
Nor does your response prove that what Jacob says is incorrect. If your life is a living hell through no fault of your own, what have you got to lose? What kind of a society turns its back on people who have nothing and nowhere to go?

[RoyalBulwell]

'Not true, despite World wide condemnation, the Australian stance on illegal, boat migration has been a complete success in stopping arrivals AFAIK.'
And why do you think the Australian way attracted worldwide condemnation, Airborn? Because it treated people like animals, stripping them of their rights.
Nor does your response prove that what Jacob says is incorrect. If your life is a living hell through no fault of your own, what have you got to lose? What kind of a society turns its back on people who have nothing and nowhere to go?

The kind of society that knows that these people who "have nothing & nowhere to go" know that it is a complete fallacy. The hundreds of thousands that we are talking about are purely economic migrants that soak up the aid that is quite welcomely given & rightly so to refugees that are in dire need.
We are now at saturation in Europe, so the old saying of cry wolf kicks in & decent folk that would help normally tar the refugees with the same brush as the scroungers, patience has gone.

[tarquinbeech]

'Not true, despite World wide condemnation, the Australian stance on illegal, boat migration has been a complete success in stopping arrivals AFAIK.'
And why do you think the Australian way attracted worldwide condemnation, Airborn? Because it treated people like animals, stripping them of their rights.
Nor does your response prove that what Jacob says is incorrect. If your life is a living hell through no fault of your own, what have you got to lose? What kind of a society turns its back on people who have nothing and nowhere to go?

So if someone breaks into your cottage in West Ayton, ignores your pleas to vacate, sticks up 2 fingers and then demands that you clothe and feed them Sidney....you are happy with that?

Just in case you are hard-hearted, they bring along a couple of squealing kids, tv cameras and an anti-racist written agenda approved by the bleeding-heart liberals.

The day that you tell your wife and daughter that you are selling everything and donating it to the Libyan Rescue Boats ....is the day I start believing you are remotely serious....until then, I assume you are like the rest of us...."Whats mine is mine"....."Now **** off and find a job"

[sidders]

So if someone breaks into your cottage in West Ayton, ignores your pleas to vacate, sticks up 2 fingers and then demands that you clothe and feed them Sidney....you are happy with that?

Just in case you are hard-hearted, they bring along a couple of squealing kids, tv cameras and an anti-racist written agenda approved by the bleeding-heart liberals.

The day that you tell your wife and daughter that you are selling everything and donating it to the Libyan Rescue Boats ....is the day I start believing you are remotely serious....until then, I assume you are like the rest of us...."Whats mine is mine"....."Now **** off and find a job"

Oh fluck me, goatman's been raiding the tequila store. Taking a quite ridiculous stance doesn't win you any arguments.
Giving up all of my worldly goods won't alter anything. It's systems that have to change, but, for the record, I give generously to a number of 3rd world causes.
Btw, because you set no store on your privacy doesn't mean the rest of us don't either. Why do you feel this compulsion to reveal irrelevant details about posters you argue with. I have been hearing recently about your invasion of another poster's privacy to a quite bizarre degree. Did you ever hear that discretion is the better part of valour?

[tarquinbeech]

Oh fluck me, goatman's been raiding the tequila store. Taking a quite ridiculous stance doesn't win you any arguments.
Giving up all of my worldly goods won't alter anything. It's systems that have to change, but, for the record, I give generously to a number of 3rd world causes.
Btw, because you set no store on your privacy doesn't mean the rest of us don't either. Why do you feel this compulsion to reveal irrelevant details about posters you argue with. I have been hearing recently about your invasion of another poster's privacy to a quite bizarre degree. Did you ever hear that discretion is the better part of valour?

Everyone knows who you are....you were "outed" years ago following your pathetic rants against the Trews, not by me I hasten to add....as for me "invading another's privacy", a certain person dared me to "find him" on an open forum, the thread is there for everyone to read.....so I phoned him from Mexico a few hours later....big deal....as far as I am aware he is OK with it and it was never mentioned again despite us occupying the same threads on multiple occasions.

Be careful slinging mud around in public Alan....some of it might stick!