OT: Old Mrs. May's fudge shoppe

[MagpieTony]

We do have cows, but as the article explains quite clearly we consume more dairy produce than we make in this country.

It also gives examples of the tariffs on dairy products which are quite high, so if we leave without a deal then dairy prices will go up, that seems like a fairly uncontroversial thing to write.

I don't understand exactly what your problem is with this article.

On the other hand it could be an industry that is actually developed now rather than restricted by EU quotas (which I understand are now being ended). It may also mean that as a result of producing for our own market that we can have the double benefit of cheaper milk in the supermarkets and more realistic prices for the farmers.

[magpie_mania]

On the other hand it could be an industry that is actually developed now rather than restricted by EU quotas (which I understand are now being ended). It may also mean that as a result of producing for our own market that we can have the double benefit of cheaper milk in the supermarkets and more realistic prices for the farmers.

They were ended in 2015. What did farmers say then?

'EU milk quotas have been scrapped after more than three decades of efforts to prevent overproduction.

The system, set up in 1984, is ending so EU dairy businesses can compete with international rivals in supplying fast-growing markets in Asia and Africa.

The Irish Republic, the Netherlands and Germany are all expected to increase production sharply.

But UK farmers have said it could lead to further falls in the price they receive for their milk'


What about the EU subsidies paid?

And you honestly believe we can have cheaper milk and better prices for the farmers? How will that work then?

[MagpieTony]

They were ended in 2015. What did farmers say then?

'EU milk quotas have been scrapped after more than three decades of efforts to prevent overproduction.

The system, set up in 1984, is ending so EU dairy businesses can compete with international rivals in supplying fast-growing markets in Asia and Africa.

The Irish Republic, the Netherlands and Germany are all expected to increase production sharply.

But UK farmers have said it could lead to further falls in the price they receive for their milk'


What about the EU subsidies paid?

And you honestly believe we can have cheaper milk and better prices for the farmers? How will that work then?

The argument stated that we did not have capacity to fulfill demand. Capacity has been limited due to EU quotas which has restricted our dairy farms for 30 odd years. My argument is that we can increase our productivity in this Country. During the restrictions Britain adapted its milk producing capabilities and has become more efficient than many of its European counterparts. This efficiency has seen in a growth since the lifting of the quotas and would stand us in very good stead if we were required to provide increased capacity for internal market use. Obviously, deals would have to be done with the processors and the supermarkets but the possibilities are there should we choose to take them. After all, that's what Brexit is about.

[magpie_mania]

The argument stated that we did not have capacity to fulfill demand. Capacity has been limited due to EU quotas which has restricted our dairy farms for 30 odd years. My argument is that we can increase our productivity in this Country. During the restrictions Britain adapted its milk producing capabilities and has become more efficient than many of its European counterparts. This efficiency has seen in a growth since the lifting of the quotas and would stand us in very good stead if we were required to provide increased capacity for internal market use. Obviously, deals would have to be done with the processors and the supermarkets but the possibilities are there should we choose to take them. After all, that's what Brexit is about.

How, realistically, can we have cheaper milk and higher prices for the farmers?

Govt will cover the subsidies until 2022 - then what?

[Mapperleypie]

It may also mean that as a result of producing for our own market that we can have the double benefit of cheaper milk in the supermarkets and more realistic prices for the farmers.

So the farmers will get more per pint and it will be cheaper in the shops? Is this another part of the Brexit Dividend I've been hearing about?

[BigFatPie]

It's a bit quiet now on this front as May has gone into hiding after failing to get Parliament to close early, so meanwhile, let's have quick a look at the insidious drip, drip from Project Fear, that the likes of Sid lap up as gospel.

Apparently, after Brexit, we will run out of cheese.

Dairy products 'may become luxuries' after UK leaves EU

Everyday dairy products such as butter, yoghurt and cheese could become luxury items in Britain after Brexit, with price rises being caused by the slightest delay in the journey from farm to table, a report by the London School of Economics finds.

The LSE research, commissioned by the company behind Lurpak, Anchor and Arla brands, also found that speciality cheeses could become scarce after Brexit, with escalating costs whatever the outcome of the exit negotiations.

Like we don't have our own ****ing cows. Have they ever heard of cheddar cheese? Can I introduce you please. To a lump of cheddar cheese? Or the ump**** other 'speciality' cheeses made here in the UK. It comes as no surprise that the report was commissioned by the makers of Lurpak.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...r-uk-leaves-eu

Yeah, and Cameron definitely said World War 3 would definitely happen if people voted leave and THAT hasn’t happened so that means Brexit is really good.

[magpie_mania]

Yeah, and Cameron definitely said World War 3 would definitely happen if people voted leave and THAT hasn’t happened so that means Brexit is really good.

Can you show the quote where he said 'World War 3 would definitely happen?

He didn't.

Why is it that anything even slightly negative written about Brexit has to be treated as 'Project fear'?

[Elite_Pie]

Can you show the quote where he said 'World War 3 would definitely happen?

He didn't.

Why is it that anything even slightly negative written about Brexit has to be treated as 'Project fear'?

I think you'll find BFP was being sarcastic.

[magpie_mania]

I think you'll find BFP was being sarcastic.

Oops! Sorry BFP. Didn't really mean to say that, fake news!

The last bit wasn't aimed at him though, just an observation that Brexiters appear to throw out the 'Project fear' at anything negative which is mentioned.

[tarquinbeech]

Some of you seem to have a problem understanding how lower prices might mean increased profits.

I can give you many examples .....but here are a few

20 years ago nobody bought solar panels, the technology was there but it was too expensive....so nobody really bothered buying them and the manufacturers never made a profit....now the price is one-twentieth of what it was, to the point that nuclear and coal power stations are obsolete, cost wise....now there are thousands of solar panel manufacturers all making a healthy profit.

I can extend my argument to many other products where the price is cost-prohibitive and nobody is making a profit....look at Notts as an example....AH comes in and does a load of deals, people get the bug, turnover rises....AH MAKES MORE OF A PROFIT from lower prices....simples....Bradford did this 10 years ago and never looked back

Personally I cannot afford milk more than once a week...it's too damn expensive, which is why I drink beer spiked with tequila....a lot cheaper with twice the buzz.....obviously if the price goes down on milk I might drink more....or use the savings to buy another beer!!......undecided.