O/T:- Withdrawal Agreement - 'Peace in our time'

[Gangsta_Pie_The_2nd]

What we had was the Little Englanders' vote. Now people are better informed, it would be a true people's vote.

Sorry I forgot that because I voted leave I'm clinically brain dead.

I'll let you know if I knew what I was voting for or not thank you.

[SmiffyPie]

What we had was the Little Englanders' vote. Now people are better informed, it would be a true people's vote.

Rubbish. What we had was a vote that Remain thought would be a cert. Just a pity they were so complacent and couldn't be arsed to vote and even more is the pity that all political parties couldn't have accepted the result and pulled together to get a truly representative proposal.

[TheBlackHorse]

... you're a tad off topic there Snobhead 2. There won't be another referendum. This is about the complete Capitulation Agreement carried out by appeasing civil servants and an appeasing PM who hav'nt the capability to negotiate - the Agreement is an EU dictate and TM rolled over. Hiding behind a vicar daughter persona disguises the back stabbing dictator that she really is. Away with the odious traitor..

[BigFatPie]

Sorry Sydney, you sound just like an EU bureaucrat.
Look, I know you have voted but you need to vote again(and again and again), until you realise what you've done.

Just ask Ireland/Holland/Denmark.
My way, or the highway.

Only vote that needs to ever happen now, is do you want-
A. Mays pathetic attempt at appeasement, (with back door ties leaving the EU in control)
B. No deal, keep the money and bugger off

Stage one was taken, 17.5 M said we want out.

If you held a referendum in the countries you mentioned, how do you reckon they would vote now?

Might be a clue as to how the UK should proceed now.

[Trickytreesreds]

If you held a referendum in the countries you mentioned, how do you reckon they would vote now?

Might be a clue as to how the UK should proceed now.

Depends what you are voting on.
All the above are in the black as far as EU payouts are concerned.Would you turn down a free meal.

The point was democracy.
Ireland Treaty of Lisbon rejected- Few paragraphs of re wording about abortion and neutrality to con them, sorted. (a vote we as a nation was denied)

Denmark- Maastricht treaty . Rejected monetary union. Given a reprieve for now(watch this space) . The plan is to integrate all members into the EURO by 2025, look it up.

Holland-Rejected the ever growing european constitution. The suck us together plan.

FOR THE LAUGH -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fd9rsmD4HiM

So I'll ask you out right. Did you or your parents vote for a United Europe state in 1972 or a free trade market?
Are you yearning to become a superstate drone?

[BigFatPie]

B, although as Blackhorse says, it doesn't change the fact that the Civil Service and the EU bureaucrats have had a field day for two years at the public's expense.

Huh?

Was it the “EU Bureaucrats” and the civil service who called and campaigned for a leave vote? I’m sure they’d prefer to be talking about something rather more constructive.

And Have the likes of Davis, Fox, Johnson, and Raab been spending their own money for the last two years flying around the world to achieve absolutely nothing?

[jackal2]

Was it the “EU Bureaucrats” and the civil service who called and campaigned for a leave vote? I’m sure they’d prefer to be talking about something rather more constructive.

No, it was David Cameron who called the referendum, despite being a Remainer himself and thinking he would win it easily, but the turnout, not to mention the outcome, showed that the public were ready to be asked the question. Unfortunately, where logic dictated that we then needed a strong-willed 'Leaver' as Prime Minister to carry that message through swiftly and with purpose, we actually got a Vote Remainer masquerading as a (kind of) 'Leaver' who tried to appease both sides primarily to protect her own career as PM. The civil servants and bureaucrats are past masters at exploiting such situations for their own benefit.

And Have the likes of Davis, Fox, Johnson, and Raab been spending their own money for the last two years flying around the world to achieve absolutely nothing?

No, and by the way it isn't for me to defend them or their actions just because they are ostensibly 'Leavers'. It's quite possible they have been happily riding the gravy train for two years despite knowing this could and should have been resolved at a very early stage by putting a "take it or leave it" offer to the EU. Sadly, there's barely a politician left at the top table these days who I believe has a genuine ideology they would lay down their career for. I see Boris Johnson as the classic modern day opportunist who will say whatever he thinks will serve his own career, and I certainly didn't vote Leave because he joined the bandwagon. Raab I think has more genuine credentials as a Leaver, but it would be naive to think that his resignation the other day didn't have as much if not more to do with his own career ambitions than his principles. Fox doesn't seem to know what to do now, and yet he surely cannot support May's proposals if his own 'Leave' credentials are genuine. Davis at least did resign at a slightly earlier stage and has more of a record for taking stands on principle, but he too has a supersized ego and I don't doubt there's an element of "look at me" in many of the things he does. Backbencher John Redwood for me has been one of the few whose line of argument has been consistent from day one, but that's easy from the back benches. The test of his integrity would have been if he'd been in the Cabinet at the start of the process. Would he have called Theresa May's bullsh*t when he saw it and walked away early, or would he have compromised to enjoy the trappings of power longer? I'd like to think the former, but who knows.

[forwardmagpie]

What we had was the Little Englanders' vote. Now people are better informed, it would be a true people's vote.

Not patronising at all

[i961pie]

Not patronising at all

Don't forget it is Syd

[sidders]

Don't forget it is Syd

Are you storking me, big bird?