O/T Democracy

[BigLadonOS]

Boris makes a plan that would see the UK refuse to appoint a commissioner, putting the EU in breach of its own legal duty for all 28 member states to be represented on its executive branch. He also said that if they tried to change the law to make it less than the 28 he would use his veto to stop it from happening. This would effectively stop the EU from working on anything that requires to be passed by the 28 EU countries so in effect it would bring them to a standstill.

No 10 believes the UK would be “disrupting” Brussels life to such a degree that member states will then make it clear they will refuse to grant an Article 50 extension – even if asked for.

A source said: “We will turn the pressure onto the EU to show how difficult it will be for them if the UK is still hanging around.”

The aim is to force an acceptable Brexit deal, but the source added: “If they won’t negotiate a deal, it would be ideal if they would kick us out.”

Nice one Boris.

[ragingpup]

Are you for real? did you even listen to what he said? He said that he was negotiating with the EU right now and the outcome of that deal is what we were voting on. So now go away and try to find something that you can at least not lie about to back up your argument.

Leave.EU had a clear manifesto for what they meant when they persuaded the voters to marginally leave the EU. If a party puts forward their manifesto to the voting public, it is by this that they are accountable if they succeed. It has nothing to do with what the opposition said or stood for. Which, let's remind ourselves:

"Taking back control is a careful change, not a sudden stop - we will negotiate the terms of a new deal before we start any legal process to leave"

How is that simple statement promising the method of our leaving the EU so difficult to understand in clearly identifying that there was no campaign or promise from Leave.EU for a No Deal Brexit.

[ragingpup]

A GE on or before the 19th of September will not happen because he knows they would lose and hanging on as leader of the Labour party means more to him than DEMOCRACY does.

That may happen, so if you were the opposition leader, wouldn't you wait until Johnson tries to get a deal (no intention so not going to happen) and then go beyond the extension. At that point the Brexit Party will again grow and split to tory vote which would work in the opposition favour. Why on Earth would any opposition leader not wait until then before agreeing an extension?

This whole situation is happening because the Conservatives failed to secure a cross party consensus on the Brexit deal at the outset. In a minority government, that relies on majority approval for the outcome to pass, why wouldn't you work with the EU and other parties to agree a deal that will actually, in the end, pass?

[ragingpup]

Never ever going to get a deal when most of parliament are stabbing the negotiations in the back. Speak with one voice and we would get a better deal

The powers that be don't want a deal. Rudd said so today.

And most Leavers on here don't want a deal - Johnson's only intention of dropping the backstop won't cut it on here or with the ERG.

Let's just stop the pretense. You do not want a deal. End of.

[Stovicmiller]

This started three years ago. I'm saying if parliament had got behind brexit we would have got a deal. Mark carney head of the bank of England down graded the effect of a no deal. He saying he got it wrong,project fear maybe..

[flourbasher]

Teresa calling a GE mid term and losing seats and therefore the power to govern freely was a major error.
That and putting someone in charge of decision making who's heart wasn't in it. Thornberry is now the latter day Teresa May.

I think the EU are just playing us like a fiddle by saying they are not keen on an extension. Further delay means vast sums of money coming from the UK to the EU and there are factions within the UK doing their dirty work for them.....UK to change its mind and remain.

On the other hand the EU might have had enough of our time wasting because they reminded us last April to use your time wisely up to Oct. Lol. Do nothing for 80% of the time available and then just argue even more than before.

[BigLadonOS]

Leave.EU had a clear manifesto for what they meant when they persuaded the voters to marginally leave the EU. If a party puts forward their manifesto to the voting public, it is by this that they are accountable if they succeed. It has nothing to do with what the opposition said or stood for. Which, let's remind ourselves:

"Taking back control is a careful change, not a sudden stop - we will negotiate the terms of a new deal before we start any legal process to leave"

How is that simple statement promising the method of our leaving the EU so difficult to understand in clearly identifying that there was no campaign or promise from Leave.EU for a No Deal Brexit.

Once again just for you so you might understand it once and for all. Camaron said that the negotiation that he was doing at the time was the negotiation we were to vote on (IE we will negotiate before we set anything in motion) Once that negotiation was over we had the referendum do you ****ing understand that or do you just want to continue with your bull**** because you are incapable of understanding what was said and what actually happend?

[animallittle3]

Interesting reading this morning that Farage wants to do a deal with the tories on the forthcoming GE .

He's proposing that they will stand as candidates in the brexit northern heartlands with the tories stepping down .

In return the Brexit Party will not contest the safe tory seats in the south .

This will ensure on paper at least that the leave vote is not split across the country .

So basically up here it will be a showdown between Corbyn and Farage at the GE .

Labour will have top weight on winning around these parts with a ballot paper looking like that in my opinion .

Total annihilation for Corbyn in historically the safest seats in the UK .

Well done Jez but it's not as if you weren't warned .

[BigLadonOS]

This started three years ago. I'm saying if parliament had got behind brexit we would have got a deal. Mark carney head of the bank of England down graded the effect of a no deal. He saying he got it wrong,project fear maybe..

Actually this all started when the EU refused to give Camaron a single solitary thing when he went to negotiate. If the EU had not played the "we are not giving you squat card" none of this would have happend but the pig headed EU leaders thought they were Jimmy big bollox as they always do. ****ers.

[Exiletyke]

Teresa calling a GE mid term and losing seats and therefore the power to govern freely was a major error.
That and putting someone in charge of decision making who's heart wasn't in it. Thornberry is now the latter day Teresa May.

I think the EU are just playing us like a fiddle by saying they are not keen on an extension. Further delay means vast sums of money coming from the UK to the EU and there are factions within the UK doing their dirty work for them.....UK to change its mind and remain.

On the other hand the EU might have had enough of our time wasting because they reminded us last April to use your time wisely up to Oct. Lol. Do nothing for 80% of the time available and then just argue even more than before.

Why wouldn't the EU not want this saga to go on & on
Every month we will be paying in approx £1 billion