FFS Free Palestine

[Balanbam00]

BT You should not try to upset me ,you know I am the man from the Galilee. And whats more I have been talking to Jesus! Then he said .....''Get me $18 million by next month?

Genesis: Jesus he knows me. https://youtu.be/yc9QM96c9aA

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Bloody hell Balan, these Palestinian terrorists really are something else...

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[Balanbam00]

Oh no, that kid is no terrorist, I know them, what the father does, is to send him where all the foreign media with their cameras are,so that at that moment the kid uncovers his Palestinian flag to reveal an advertisement of his fathers Humus,Thina and Schwarma shop,it is just free advertising!
But if you want food in Jerusalem or Tel Aviv:

https://www.facebook.com/Channel4/vi...7213872042746/

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Or if you want your rocket returned with interest...

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[The Bedlington Terrier]

Murder on a fairly grand scale in November...

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[Balanbam00]

BT: ''Gaza is not occupied.'' The West Bank is not occupied!
Why? Because it is disputed territory.If the Palestinians are not willing to discuss it ?? As per various conditions agreed too in the San Remo Conference. On Sunday, April 25, 1920. The Supreme Council of the Allied Powers (Great Britain, France, Italy, Japan and the U.S.) adopted the San Remo Resolution -- a 500 word document which defined the future political landscape of the Middle East.

https://israelforever.org/interact/b...estone_Israel/

This Resolution led to 3 Mandates, ( Article 22 of the 1919 Covenant of the League of Nations). The future states of Syria-Lebanon and Iraq which became exclusively Arab countries.
But in the third Mandate, the Supreme Council recognized the “historical connection of the Jewish people to Palestine and the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country.”

Subsequently, the British limited the Jewish Homeland in Palestine to the area west of the Jordan River and allowed eastern Palestine to be gradually administered by the Hashemites. Later renamed Jordan in 1950.

When the notion of “occupation” took root, it soon became “illegal occupation”, then “brutal oppression” and, finally, “apartheid” which is a crime against humanity in international law.

After 1,850 yrs of foreign occupation, by a succession of foreign powers (Greeks,Romans, Byzantines, Sassanid Persians, Arabs, Crusaders, Mameluks and Ottoman Turks), the Nation of Israel was reborn in April 1920, thus paving the way for the State of Israel 28 years later.

[Vintage Claret]

There is a distinction between being a disputed territory or an occupied territory, and you say that the Palestinians are unwilling to discuss these with Israel. However when the Israeli forces moved into these territories how much discussion was there at that time?

There appears to be a growing tendency to think that anyone who does not agree with the way the state of Israel conducts its affairs is anti-Semitic .

I have several friends who are Jewish and their religion is something personal to them and long may they have the freedom to worship as they choose. However like BT I find the treatment of Palestinians by the Israeli authorities leaves something to be desired.

[Balanbam00]

Vintage Claret: Good evening.

You ask ''However when the Israeli forces moved into these territories how much discussion was there at that time? - Lets understand from the beginning.

After the 6 day war in June 1967. In the aftermath of the Arab defeat to Israel in the Six-Day War. The Arab summit in Khartoum (August 29th), decleared what is known as "The Three No's"; No peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with Israel.

The summit also resolved that the "oil-rich Arab states" give financial aid to the states who lost the war and to "help them rebuild their military forces.

The final communique of the meeting "underscored the Palestinians' right to regain the whole of Palestine—that is, to destroy the State of Israel." The outcome of this summit influenced Israeli foreign policy for decades.
That is why the Palestinians are unwilling to discuss any solution with Israel.
Even to discuss a solution would mean the 'recognition of Israel'.

[Balanbam00]

Vintage Claret:
You can then say ,but if Israel keeps building new settlements they are an obstruction/obstacle to peace? Then the subject of 'Is the West Bank "occupied" or "disputed" territory?'

It is important to remember that Israel's control of the territories was the result of a war of self-defense, fought after Israel's very existence was threatened. It has continued due to the intransigence of Israel's Arab neighbours, who steadfastly rejected Israel's many offers of peace, including its post-Six Day War message that it would exchange territory in return for peace.

As the West Bank had no prior legitimate sovereign, under international law these areas cannot be considered as "occupied" Arab or Palestinian lands, and their most accurate description would be that of disputed territories.

Palestinian efforts to present Israel's presence in the territory as the primary cause of the conflict ignore history.
Palestinian terrorism predates Israel's control of the territories (and even the existence of the State of Israel itself). The Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO) was founded in 1964, three years before Israel's presence in the territories began.To be clear terrorism started even before Israels presence in the West Bank

[Balanbam00]

Vintage Claret:
Is Israel required to withdraw to the 1967 boundaries?

While Israel has indicated its willingness to compromise during peace negotiations, there are still those who insist on the absolute end to all Jewish presence in the West Bank
There are no provisions in any of the agreements signed between Israel and the Palestinians that require a withdrawal to the 1967 boundaries.
There certainly is no logic to enshrining an inadvertent boundary that existed for less than 19 years

The 4 June 1967 lines were not based on historical fact, natural geographic formations, demographic considerations or international agreement. The pre-1967 boundaries were based instead on the armistice lines demarcated on the basis of the position of armies in the field after the 1948 War of Independence. The 1949 Armistice Agreement explicitly refrained from defining them as final political borders.
After the 1967 Six Day War, the international community adopted UN Security Council Resolution 242, the seminal UN decision on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The resolution acknowledged the problematic nature of the 1967 lines - which had left Israel with a "narrow waist" of 9 miles - and recognized Israel's need for "secure and recognized boundaries".

Israelis have ancient ties to this part of the Land of Israel and Jews have lived there throughout the ages - until they were ethnically cleansed from the West Bank in 1948.