Ex Baggie dies

[mickd1961]

My wife is a doctor and she is getting really fed up with people blaming covid shots for every ailment they have had since getting the shot. Most do not make any sense at all, like the person who came in with end stage skin cancer saying she was never sick until she got the covid shot. The fact is, vaccinations often work by mimicking the disease so that your body is able to create antibodies. Covid itself causes heart problems and clotting problems so it’s no wonder a very few people got those problems with the vaccines - but they likely would have got the problems much worse if they actually got covid itself. Plus it’s still around so no wonder people are still dying of it, especially f they didnt get vaccinated or boosted. Given the novelty, the difficulty of developing vaccines for covid viruses and the time frame in which the vaccine was developed, I doubt it was a perfect vaccine but it was still much better than than the alternative.

Really interesting Calgary, thank you.

I enjoyed that very informative post.

[baggieal]

My wife is a doctor and she is getting really fed up with people blaming covid shots for every ailment they have had since getting the shot. Most do not make any sense at all, like the person who came in with end stage skin cancer saying she was never sick until she got the covid shot. The fact is, vaccinations often work by mimicking the disease so that your body is able to create antibodies. Covid itself causes heart problems and clotting problems so it’s no wonder a very few people got those problems with the vaccines - but they likely would have got the problems much worse if they actually got covid itself. Plus it’s family still around so no wonder people are still dying of it, especially f they didnt get vaccinated or boosted. Given the novelty, the difficulty of developing vaccines for covid viruses and the time frame in which the vaccine was developed, I doubt it was a perfect vaccine but it was still much better than than the alternative.

A family member is a specialist consultant Calgary and they never had the Covid jabs for their daughters as they were worried about fertility problems and the fact their kids were fit and healthy. So Covid could not be passed on whether they had the vaccine or not. They feel they certainly made the right decision!

[mickd1961]

A family member is a specialist consultant Calgary and they never had the Covid jabs for their daughters as they were worried about fertility problems and the fact their kids were fit and healthy. So Covid could not be passed on whether they had the vaccine or not. They feel they certainly made the right decision!

Like Calgary said, the vaccine is made from Covid itself to stimulate the immune system.

By definition, every single human is going to have Covid at some point.

So if the vaccine will kill them then so will Covid.

I don’t get the avoidance.

Did your kids have the MMR jab?

Will you be advising that your grandchildren don’t?

Maybe we should all stop having the polio jab as youngsters, there’s a sad lack of kids in leg irons and iron lungs these days.

[baggieal]

Like Calgary said, the vaccine is made from Covid itself to stimulate the immune system.

By definition, every single human is going to have Covid at some point.

So if the vaccine will kill them then so will Covid.

I don’t get the avoidance.

Did your kids have the MMR jab?

Will you be advising that your grandchildren don’t?

Maybe we should all stop having the polio jab as youngsters, there’s a sad lack of kids in leg irons and iron lungs these days.

Everyone to their own Mick! Even doctors differ in opinion - some hand out antibiotics like candy others don’t. I know for a fact many specialist consultants ( not GP’S ) have chosen not to have had their kids vaccinated.

Thank the lord my kids weren’t vaccinated and no I won’t have a flu jab - why would I have that crap pumped in my body when I have never had the flu or cold in my life!

Most GP’S would agree though it’s the same patients who turn up every week with ailments like a sniffle or a cold who waste NHS time!

Everyone to their own so no right or wrong answer. Supermarkets or brands doing a roaring trade on parents who are paranoid of the slightest thing!!!

[mickd1961]

Everyone to their own Mick! Even doctors differ in opinion - some hand out antibiotics like candy others don’t. I know for a fact many specialist consultants ( not GP’S ) have chosen not to have had their kids vaccinated.

Thank the lord my kids weren’t vaccinated and no I won’t have a flu jab - why would I have that crap pumped in my body when I have never had the flu or cold in my life!

Most GP’S would agree though it’s the same patients who turn up every week with ailments like a sniffle or a cold who waste NHS time!

Everyone to their own so no right or wrong answer. Supermarkets or brands doing a roaring trade on parents who are paranoid of the slightest thing!!!

If you’d had flu you may feel differently.

I had it once when I was 39 and it was the worst illness I’ve ever had and I was extremely fit at that time. I said at the time that I’d been 70 it would probably have killed me.

You didn’t give an answer to my MMR and Polio questions?

[baggieal]

If you’d had flu you may feel differently.

I had it once when I was 39 and it was the worst illness I’ve ever had and I was extremely fit at that time. I said at the time that I’d been 70 it would probably have killed me.

You didn’t give an answer to my MMR and Polio questions?

Not had flu so why would I want the flu jab. I respect those who choose to do though!

No my kids have not had the MMR as we know a friends child who is linked to autism because of it. We know specialist consultants children who have not had it either. Everyone should do what they feel is right! My kids are super fit and healthy!

I was brought up to get on with it and never been ill until recently and even now my view is here today might not be tomorrow as FFS I’m 60 so every year is a bonus! Do I worry - no as to busy enjoying life! People are different though so respect every choice a person makes.

Every GP is different with their views and advice but for me I take more notice of specialist consultants!

Too many follow the herd in life! Had I followed the herd with my illness treatment I would have been fkin screwed! Strange that even some doctors have never heard of the treatment I had. It’s called educational research and speaking to specialists!

[Calgarybaggy]

The thing about any medical treatments is that a statistical analysis has to be done to determine things like the number needed to treat and the number needed to harm. For example, if the number needed to treat is 50, it means, roughly, that for 50 people treated, one person would be saved from death or serious illness. If the number needed to harm is 100,000, then for every 100,000 treated, 1 person will have a serious adverse reaction or death. Where the NNH is hundred or thousands of times higher than the NNT, then statistically it makes absolute sense to treat. Now the one individual who gets hurt by the treatment may disagree, but with something like Covid that everyone was inevitably going to get, as a society its a no-brainer to administer the vaccine. And those who don't get the vaccine are just increasing the chances that more people, if not them, will get seriously ill or die. So not getting vaccinated is statistically about one of the most anti-social things you can do because even if you don't die from it, others will because you will be spreading it to those who may not be so lucky.
A doctor who doesn't believe in vaccines is not a doctor I would ever consult because a) he doenst keep up with his/her professional reading; and b) he/she doesnt understand the basic statistics that govern sound medical research.
By the way, my wife was working at a hospital in New Jersey when the first wave of covid hit and she describes it as total carnage. The hospital had to turn the warehouse across the street into a makeshift morgue, the head of the emergency department where my wife was working almost died, many, many doctors and nurses died, and when i visited there six months later you couldn't find anyone who did not know someone who had died. Everyone was walking around in a daze. The place was devastated. Vaccination would have stopped that.

[mickd1961]

Not had flu so why would I want the flu jab. I respect those who choose to do though!

No my kids have not had the MMR as we know a friends child who is linked to autism because of it. We know specialist consultants children who have not had it either. Everyone should do what they feel is right! My kids are super fit and healthy!

I was brought up to get on with it and never been ill until recently and even now my view is here today might not be tomorrow as FFS I’m 60 so every year is a bonus! Do I worry - no as to busy enjoying life! People are different though so respect every choice a person makes.

Every GP is different with their views and advice but for me I take more notice of specialist consultants!

Too many follow the herd in life! Had I followed the herd with my illness treatment I would have been fkin screwed! Strange that even some doctors have never heard of the treatment I had. It’s called educational research and speaking to specialists!

I hope for you your kids and grandkids don’t catch MMR AL…..kids are dying from measles in recent months.

I just don’t think it’s worth the conspiracy theory b o l l o x to play Russian Roulette with children’s lives.

Basically, you’re saying that you know better than medical science.

It’s just as well our parents were amongst the 99.99% who vaccinated us against Polio.

Ian Drury and many others wished their parents had done the same.

I’m glad the none of my grandchildren are at risk of dying from any of the above…..and none have them have autism either.

[Omegstrat6]

My understanding is that the MMR /autism theory stems from a report in the Lancet magazine in the late 1990s which linked the two and then got a lot of publicity which led to a reasonably dramatic drop in the number of parents who chose to vaccinate their children. Subsequent research then concluded that there was, in fact, no scientific evidence to link the two and the doctor who authored the paper was ultimately discredited. Fewer vaccinations however led to an increase in mumps and measels.

Of course the anti-vaxx movement argued that this subsequent research was all a conspiracy theory itself and was put about by Big Pharma wanting to protect its own interests (in these days of so much reported corruption maybe not such a leap) as it made money from providing these jabs.

With the advent of covid and the often knee-jerk reactions to a pandemic nobody really understood, the anti-vaxx message grew louder. With many people either bored or worried at home during lockdown social media quickly became a breeding ground for such theories/conspiracies. A government that didn't know it's own mind on the situation did not help and neither did the penchant for people to claim Trump like that any reports that contradicted their own viewpoint were "false news" .

For myself, I don't discount the possibility that vaccines may be harmful to some and personally I would not have them unless I thought them necessary as any vaccine works by mimicking the illness so you are introducing that into your body. As Mick points out though, it is only through vaccination programmes that once common illnesses like polio have been virtually eliminated. The data surely shows that, overall, vaccination programmes like MMR are beneficial. If there are an increasing -but still minority-of unvaccinated children who have never caught such illnesses, might a big factor in that simply be that it is because the majority have had the vaccinations and so these illnesses are not about so much for them to catch?

Ultimately, it is-as baggieAl says-down to personal choice and I guess everyone weighs up the perceived risks and makes up their own minds (hopefully) based on as much information they can find so that that choice is as informed as possible.

[Calgarybaggy]

Anti-vaxxers - the flat-earthers of the medical community!