European Elections

[sinkov]

I came to my senses and saw the light years ago Sinkov

By the way, what do you make of your MP Nigel Evans?

On the radio today he said summat like, "I voted for Theresa's deal last time. But if it comes back for another vote, and nothing has changed with it, I will vote against it"

Now, I have no problem with Nigel changing his mind, people constantly change their minds as they see the light.

But Nigel is one of those who is against the public changing their mind and testing opinion with another vote - while reserving the right to change his mind and actually voting differently

Can you see the inconsistency there? Or do you think MP's are a special breed and deserve special treatment?

There's quite a few wavered in that last vote 59. I can see their dilemma though, they have been manouvered into a position where their choice has seemingly been narrowed into accepting the WA or remaining in the EU, neither of which is what they want, what the public voted for, nor what the Tories promised in their last manifesto. In which case deciding which is the least bad option must be difficult, and depending on the myriad of different circumstances could appear different on a daily basis.
I'm in a similar position, some days I think let's just sign up to the fecking thing, it's a trap, it's not Brexit, but it's a start, let's just get it over with, we can surely sort it later. Then I think feck that for a game of soldiers, just sit tight, vote it down, and see what the effect the Brexit Party landslide in the Euros will have on the enthusiasm of the Remainers for another referendum, and on the EU.
You know I'm as committed a Leaver as there is 59, so if even I'm unsure at times of the best way forward, it's no surprise that Brexiteer Tory MPs, with added pressure from the Whips, their colleagues, the media and their Remainer constituents are sometimes unsure as well is it ?
None of then have changed their minds on whether we should leave the EU or not, on whether the result of the referendum should be respected or not, they only change their minds on the best way of achieving it, in the face of an EU, a PM, a Parliament, a Civil Service, an Establishment and a media absolutely determined to deny democracy and overturn the decision of the British people. I almost feel sorry for them, and knowing exactly what Nigel's views are, and the situation he is in, I do feel a bit of sympathy for him. The fact that we are where we are now has nothing to do with him.

[sinkov]

It's not just you Savannah, 59 is the same, there was some Remain guy on the DP today also convinced he knew, every Remainer I read or listen to also seems to know, Matthew Parris displays this same ability on a weekly basis in his Times column, all of you appear to know why the 17.4 million who voted to leave the EU voted as they did. How is this done, what is it about an overwhelming personal desire for the UK to stay a member of the EU that enables this astonishing psychic ability. I'm not even sure what to call it, is it telepathy, is it clairvoyance, is it ESP ? I know why I voted to leave, but I have no idea what motivated the other 17.4 million to vote as I did. I wish I did, but I don't, so please let me into the secret, I'm jealous. How's it done ?

[sinkov]

"MPs have been commenting on the eerie ‘Mary Celeste’ atmosphere around a sparsely populated Palace of Westminster. Nothing’s happening and, it seems, no one’s in charge. Yet the country continues full pelt, producing, distributing, consuming. Business is transacted, factories make stuff, plans are constantly drawn up. Lambs frolic in the fields, and plants continue to gobble up carbon dioxide from an atmosphere which supplies it a bit too thinly for their liking.
The truth is, the country works because people work, nature continues because it’s designed that way. So when can our tiny-minded politicians get it into their thick heads that Britain will not collapse if it is released from EU captivity? At worst it will have a relatively short adjustment period to a bit of new paperwork and a somewhat different balance of financial costs and benefits (which are minimal in comparison to the size of our economy). And then, with full sovereignty, fully restored, it’s up to us to work and trade according to our own imagination, energy and skill . . .
Yet deep in her bunker a worn-out woman whose ‘leadership’ has no concept, no understanding, no vision about any of the above-mentioned facts, apparently thinks it’s time for another vote on the EU capitulation treaty or a series of ‘indicative votes’ in that apology for a parliament.
How very, very sad."

[1959_60]

"MPs have been commenting on the eerie ‘Mary Celeste’ atmosphere around a sparsely populated Palace of Westminster. Nothing’s happening and, it seems, no one’s in charge. Yet the country continues full pelt, producing, distributing, consuming. Business is transacted, factories make stuff, plans are constantly drawn up. Lambs frolic in the fields, and plants continue to gobble up carbon dioxide from an atmosphere which supplies it a bit too thinly for their liking.
The truth is, the country works because people work, nature continues because it’s designed that way. So when can our tiny-minded politicians get it into their thick heads that Britain will not collapse if it is released from EU captivity? At worst it will have a relatively short adjustment period to a bit of new paperwork and a somewhat different balance of financial costs and benefits (which are minimal in comparison to the size of our economy). And then, with full sovereignty, fully restored, it’s up to us to work and trade according to our own imagination, energy and skill . . .
Yet deep in her bunker a worn-out woman whose ‘leadership’ has no concept, no understanding, no vision about any of the above-mentioned facts, apparently thinks it’s time for another vote on the EU capitulation treaty or a series of ‘indicative votes’ in that apology for a parliament.
How very, very sad."

Sinkov, you know me too well. You are well aware that whenever you read the Conservative Woman a buzzer sounds in my living room and I spring into action.

Yes, people and nature carry on and get on with it, no matter what.

The same happened during the war - humans and nature are very resourceful - but that doesn't mean that the prevailing conditions are not as good as they should be and should be avoided if at all possible.
The chap who wrote that piece is obviously of the same opinion as you - no problem - but there are a myriad of different opinions and that is the real problem here.

He had a point that I totally agree with though. That is the seeming lack of urgency in Parliament.
For six weeks now the Brexit thing has been on hold while the Tories and Labour are holding "Useful and constructive" talks. Pull the other one. I think we all know that nothing will come out of them and that (as you put it) the can will have been kicked another two months down the road.

Theresa is bringing here deal back to Parliament for one more go and if it fails then "time will have run out" because shortly afterwards Parliament bugger off for their jollies and conferences until October.
Just digest that fact.

The country is struggling to resolve the biggest issue for generations and they go on holiday??

If a company was in this situation they would burn the midnight oil until it was resolved.

I won't make the comparison, but if we were threatened by war, would they blithely bugger off to Florida to lie on the beach?
(Sorry, I DID make the comparison).

In this situation our politicians should be locked away in Parliament, with only bread and water, and not be allowed out until it has been sorted.

[sinkov]

Sinkov, you know me too well. You are well aware that whenever you read the Conservative Woman a buzzer sounds in my living room and I spring into action.

Yes, people and nature carry on and get on with it, no matter what.

The same happened during the war - humans and nature are very resourceful - but that doesn't mean that the prevailing conditions are not as good as they should be and should be avoided if at all possible.
The chap who wrote that piece is obviously of the same opinion as you - no problem - but there are a myriad of different opinions and that is the real problem here.

He had a point that I totally agree with though. That is the seeming lack of urgency in Parliament.
For six weeks now the Brexit thing has been on hold while the Tories and Labour are holding "Useful and constructive" talks. Pull the other one. I think we all know that nothing will come out of them and that (as you put it) the can will have been kicked another two months down the road.

Theresa is bringing here deal back to Parliament for one more go and if it fails then "time will have run out" because shortly afterwards Parliament bugger off for their jollies and conferences until October.
Just digest that fact.

The country is struggling to resolve the biggest issue for generations and they go on holiday??

If a company was in this situation they would burn the midnight oil until it was resolved.

I won't make the comparison, but if we were threatened by war, would they blithely bugger off to Florida to lie on the beach?
(Sorry, I DID make the comparison).

In this situation our politicians should be locked away in Parliament, with only bread and water, and not be allowed out until it has been sorted.

Ah Conservative Woman, is that where it came from 59, it may well have done, I might also have picked it up from Briefings for Brexit, Guido Fawkes, Comment Central, the Spectator, City AM, the Telegraph, Brexit Central or any of the others I read on a regular basis, but I take your word it's CW. And that buzzer you hear, it's not a buzzer at all really is it, it's the little ping you hear as CW drops into your inbox everyday as it does into mine. It's clear that like me you read it every day, and why not, it's essential reading for anyone, like me and you, who detest the Conservative Party, CW gives them a far harder kicking than any lefty rag would do, and coming from closer to home, presumably it hurts more. Not that Theresa will notice though, will she.

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[outwoodclaret]

You will be in some strange company there BT as I understand Tony Blair will also be voting Labour.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

I've just returned from a Birthday sojourn up in Whitby. No 'phone, no lap top, no nothing. The sun was shining, the pubs and restaurants were bursting at the seams, the ships were sailing, folks were smiling. Brexit what phooking Brexit?

Like you sinkov, I had my own reasons to vote LEAVE and I am 100% convinced I made the right decision. Pity our democratically (in some cases) Remain MP's think they know better.

[sinkov]

I've just returned from a Birthday sojourn up in Whitby. No 'phone, no lap top, no nothing. The sun was shining, the pubs and restaurants were bursting at the seams, the ships were sailing, folks were smiling. Brexit what phooking Brexit?

I'll be in Whitby in a couple of weeks BT, which is the best chippy ?

[The Bedlington Terrier]

I'll be in Whitby in a couple of weeks BT, which is the best chippy ?

Magpie opposite Whitby Fish Market - brilliant! If you want to impress Mrs S though, try The Moon & Sixpence on Marine Parade, very bourgeoise you will love it!