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[ramAnag]

I'm not too sure Angry want to remain, rA

Fair point...lol. Sure he’ll be able to work out I meant ‘leave’...probably.

[AdiSalisbury]

Easy...

1. Nothing will stop us trading with EU countries, simple supply and demand.

2. See 1, with the removal of restriction and preferential treatment of other EU states to our detriment.

3. Try buying your 1st home down south. Despite having a good job, a prospective mortgage would by me half a shed. What's the EU offering me? How accurate have these predictions or guesses been so far? Are they 3 month projections or 3 years? What's behind those numbers?

4. UK employment rights far exceed any other EU state or minimum requirements, they could be reduced or removed at any time whilst we remain a member.

5. We hold a monopoly on intelligence, our ranges and strategic position give us facilities unavailable throughout the rest of the EU states. Even the US rely on our intelligence services and facilities. Security is one of our biggest bargaining chips.

6. EU states rely heavily on our tourism, another bargaining chip.

7. Well be a major stakeholder outside of the organisation and hold plenty of influence, without being bound by club rules.

I'm not a hardliner passionate brexiteer, I just want the best and I believe the opportunity is greater outside. I don't like the tabloid and scaremongering pushed by people profiting from unrest, whether that's Farage or Cable, I see right through it. Unfortunately, we are more vulnerable to fear than positivity, so its easy for these people to prey on the masses.

You should share a beer with angry, we're more welcoming down here than the tube might have you believe!

[ramAnag]

Thanks for the reasoned response Adi. Clearly we don’t agree but at least we’re civil in our disagreement and there’s a clearer understanding of how we view things.
I really don’t understand the ‘tabloid and scaremongering’ point. Would have thought all but the Mirror were very much pro Brexit and I believe Farage, above everyone, is an expert at profiting from unrest and disharmony.
The point though was to try and understand the pro Brexit stance which I think you, MoP, Tricky and the permanently annoyed fella seem to be the biggest supporters of and at least you responded appropriately.
Still like to know how you see leaving the EU as helping the situations you disapprove of though.

[Andy_Faber]

We probably may be guilty of throwing out the baby with the bathwater, but it's some pretty rancid bathwater.

That’s a good analogy GP

[AngryRam]

‘Make it all about me’? What are you talking about?
You’re the one who’s reappeared after months of no comment moaning about the fact that there’s still a Brexit thread, the very thread that has generated over 4500 responses.
Then when an attempt is made to have some objective, rather than childlike tit for tat, discussion about the pros and cons of Brexit your default position is to immediately start becoming abusive.
You used to be a decent poster Angry, I doubt that you and I would agree about very much - from Keogh to politics - but that, to an extent, is the point of a forum.
My take on things may be right or wrong...unfortunately no one knows your reasons for wanting to remain because having, in your own words, ‘given up at point 1’ your post simply descended into an all too typical child like, name calling little bully boy rant.

Read.... The first line of my reply.. The swaledale post was not about Brexit. You then bumble on about your agendas again and again and again.
Much prefer to be a ‘used to be a good poster’ rather then never was a good poster.
I believe when this thread originally started I made my points quite clear, responded to valid counter points raised.. You are just regurgitating the same old points.. It’s like your stuck in the 80s.
Sorry for returning to this thread, if you read back my point was not that there was still a Brexit thread just that you would be spouting the same old diatribe.. Boom 100% right.. Maybe I should have asked for your permission to post on your thread?

[AngryRam]

Easy...

1. Nothing will stop us trading with EU countries, simple supply and demand.

2. See 1, with the removal of restriction and preferential treatment of other EU states to our detriment.

3. Try buying your 1st home down south. Despite having a good job, a prospective mortgage would by me half a shed. What's the EU offering me? How accurate have these predictions or guesses been so far? Are they 3 month projections or 3 years? What's behind those numbers?

4. UK employment rights far exceed any other EU state or minimum requirements, they could be reduced or removed at any time whilst we remain a member.

5. We hold a monopoly on intelligence, our ranges and strategic position give us facilities unavailable throughout the rest of the EU states. Even the US rely on our intelligence services and facilities. Security is one of our biggest bargaining chips.

6. EU states rely heavily on our tourism, another bargaining chip.

7. Well be a major stakeholder outside of the organisation and hold plenty of influence, without being bound by club rules.

I'm not a hardliner passionate brexiteer, I just want the best and I believe the opportunity is greater outside. I don't like the tabloid and scaremongering pushed by people profiting from unrest, whether that's Farage or Cable, I see right through it. Unfortunately, we are more vulnerable to fear than positivity, so its easy for these people to prey on the masses.

You should share a beer with angry, we're more welcoming down here than the tube might have you believe!

Good post mate.. I fear it will fall on deaf ears.
Your not a hardliner para is spot on and pretty much where I sit on this.

[ramAnag]

Read.... The first line of my reply.. The swaledale post was not about Brexit. You then bumble on about your agendas again and again and again.
Much prefer to be a ‘used to be a good poster’ rather then never was a good poster.
I believe when this thread originally started I made my points quite clear, responded to valid counter points raised.. You are just regurgitating the same old points.. It’s like your stuck in the 80s.
Sorry for returning to this thread, if you read back my point was not that there was still a Brexit thread just that you would be spouting the same old diatribe.. Boom 100% right.. Maybe I should have asked for your permission to post on your thread?

Jeez, you really are living up to your name aren’t you? Talk about Swale ‘losing the plot’...a case of ‘pot, kettle and black’ perhaps.

I’m not going to stoop to the level of unfounded, witless insults that you now seem to specialise in.
In my opinion you’ve suddenly returned to the forum, like some sort of vindictive 1970’s ‘boot boy’, spoiling for a fight from the off but with absolutely nothing constructive to say.

No idea what the ‘stuck in the 80’s’ or ‘asking permission to post on my thread’ means. As a full blown issue Brexit began over a quarter of a century after the end of the 80’s, it isn’t and never has been ‘my thread’ and I claim no ‘ownership’ of a thread I didn’t begin.

You say ‘good post mate’ to Adi...and I agree, but why is that? Could it be because, unlike you, Adi has replied in the spirit I was hoping to introduce...i.e. simply made his point without any hint of snide abusiveness?

We aren’t going to agree, Angry...I suspect you’ve never liked the idea of a political issue featuring on a football forum and that’s fair enough, that’s your opinion.
Mine is...it’s a forum for fans of DCFC...threads will thrive or sink without trace according to the level of interest. If I have no interest/knowledge of a thread - motorsport springs to mind - then I just don’t go there.
If you’ve got nothing positive to offer then leave it alone...go and turn your bile on Mel Morris, Richard Keogh or whoever else your latest target is, while leaving out the insults and abuse which have come to typify the attitude across the country and achieve absolutely nothing.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Those that doubt the divisiveness of Brexit, read above. Take a chill pill, lads, it's not like it's important. At least let's argue about key things such as who plays left back next season

[Trickytreesreds]

All I'll say Ra, is that your arguments stem from when we joined the Common Market. ECONOMICS!!!

I agree, it made sense. WHO/WHAT/WHEN/WHERE/HOW allowed it to be hijacked against the populations will, to become a political empire?

Most of your arguments are un provable though.
Don't forget, the vote alone was supposed to trigger 800 000 job losses(4 million if we voted leave).
House prices doubling
Rows of white head stones springing up in Europe
Immediate Brexit tax
Each house hold being 5k worse off

All lies which aren't even remotely true.
But point is, that I am trying to make. The European project was always about becoming a super state.
In essence, one ruling body/one currency/one tax/no borders/army, the whole shebang.

They haven't got there yet, before the usual suspects squeal about our veto etc.
But be honest. How much has been whittled away since 1972?
Do you really believe we'd be able to top it over time?
Heath knew and hid it in the official archives.
Only thing he got wrong was the time period.

We feel the effects of the game here and now. We hung on to our currency, though many wanted us in the euro.
We dodged shengan, but did we really?

I have interviewed so many youngsters over the last 10 years. Most are distraught at not being able to get a job, as they go to Europeans 10 years older than them.
We have created a rod for our own back here. An unskilled generation which will come back to haunt us. I wouldn't be surprised if this was deliberate, to leave us desperate on foreign labour to plug these gaps.
Don't get me started on housing/services/benefits drain.

Every decent country in the world has an immigration system that benefits it's own needs. We are part of a free for all.

[MadAmster]

The European project was always about becoming a super state.

Spot on Tricky. It was always, until recently, denied by those pushing Europe, They lied. No surprise there as they were politicians. Way back in the 70s, I voted NO, simply because I knew the aim was to create a US of E and said so, much to the amusement of colleagues and to fellow drinkers in the local boozer. Who's laughing now? Certainly not me.

I have posted before on why a single taxation policy won't ever work, on why the Euro isn't a strong currency etc etc etc so won't repeat myself. Suffice it to say that, IMHO, RIGHT NOW is make or break time for the working class and much of what used to be the middle class. Business globalisation is putting more and more money, power and influence into less and less hands. Centralisation of political power, called the EU but soon to be the uS of E, will see the ploitical power follow the USA system of candidates representing those who fund their millions of Euro costing campaigns (the multinationals) rather than the electorate. They will have the people by the balls and it will be akin to a new slavery unless people rise up and fight back today.