World Cup: Argintina up the anti!

[swaledale]

They have been heavily disputed for years. They technically belonged to the Spanish when the Spanish had soverignty over Argentina too. Its gone backwards and forwards between different nations. However in 1833 the British effectively ethnically cleansed the Argentinian population from the Islands ...

We negotiated with them in the 70s I beleive over the Islands but pulled out and refused to continue.

And Argentina is predominantly Spanish speaking ... dont get confused with Brazil speaking Portuguese ... you daft lad! Big difference between a typo and ignorance...!

We were in fact moving towards ceding them to Argentina just prior to the disastrous invasion! If the Argies had waited another year or so they might well have got them by now!

Having spent some time in the country, there is a fair degree of ambivalence towards the ownership of the falklands, they have been used by nearly every governement to dis

[Trickytreesreds]

They have been heavily disputed for years. They technically belonged to the Spanish when the Spanish had soverignty over Argentina too. Its gone backwards and forwards between different nations. However in 1833 the British effectively ethnically cleansed the Argentinian population from the Islands ...

We negotiated with them in the 70s I beleive over the Islands but pulled out and refused to continue.

And Argentina is predominantly Spanish speaking ... dont get confused with Brazil speaking Portuguese ... you daft lad! Big difference between a typo and ignorance...!

We were in fact moving towards ceding them to Argentina just prior to the disastrous invasion! If the Argies had waited another year or so they might well have got them by now!

Having spent some time in the country, there is a fair degree of ambivalence towards the ownership of the falklands, they ha

[roger_ramjet]

I have been following all this colonialist nonsense on this thread, claims to historic sovereignty, claims to protect the citizens wishes and welfare and so on with interest. All the schoolboy "give it back its mine" etc etc.

Lets get the emotional tripe out of the way, its not about any historic rights at all, this is what it is about:

OIL...and maybe some GAS too

Its about a 9% royalty on every $ of revenue generated by the oil mid majors. Its about a 26% tax take on future licences granted.

Its about building up a massive petroleum fund for the Falkland Isles government based on the Norwegian North Sea fund. That fund is now more than double the Greek National debt.

That's what its about - nothing to do with the historic rights etc

The "rights" argument is no more valid in this dispute than "WOMD" was in Iraq. Its black, its sticky and it will ultimately cause more wars than religion ever did.

The Popes line argument, though spurious, is however fascinating... using papal

[Trickytreesreds]

I'd agree with a lot of that Roger.

Let's look at this as it should be.
The Falklands are inhabited. It's their oil and gas and FISHING.
One day they will go independant. If it's good enough for Scotland, then that's their choice.
The Argies are in such a **** state, they don't want that. They want the population off, so they can grab it.
So you could be right. WAR it will be eventually.

[triz]

[quote="roger_ramjet" etc etc.

Lets get the emotional tripe out of the way, its not about any historic rights at all, this is what it is about:

OIL...and maybe some GAS too

Its about a 9% royalty on every $ of revenue generated by the oil mid majors. Its about a 26% tax take on future licences granted.

Its about building up a massive petroleum fund for the Falkland Isles government based on the Norwegian North Sea fund. That fund is now more than double the Greek National debt.

That's what its about - nothing to do with the historic rights etc

The "rights" argument is no more valid in this dispute than "WOMD" was in Iraq. Its black, its sticky and it will ultimately cause more wars than religion ever did.

The Popes line argument, thou

[Trickytreesreds]

Lets be honest here, the islands have been used by four parties as a logistics base for shipping/whaling etc. That is all. The British colony is what you see, so it is theirs.
What next?,
Argentina saying Antarctica is theirs, because they are closest?

[Akwesasne]

If anyone has a right to the Falklands or Malvinas it is the peoples of Patagonia if there are any left after the Spanish onslaught of South America. Old fashioned colonization has come to an end though the nation states has given way to the Global Companies who have their eye on everything.Recently Australia took Japan to the international courts and won their case preventing Japan from commercial whaling in Antartica under the disguise of scientific research. It is doubtful whether the Globals will continue to respect the Antartica Treaty and similar ones for the Moon and outer space. I just hope that if they don't then ET will prove a much tougher opposition than the first peoples of this planet.

[swaledale]

They have been heavily disputed for years. They technically belonged to the Spanish when the Spanish had soverignty over Argentina too. Its gone backwards and forwards between different nations. However in 1833 the British effectively ethnically cleansed the Argentinian population from the Islands ...

We negotiated with them in the 70s I beleive over the Islands but pulled out and refused to continue.

And Argentina is predominantly Spanish speaking ... dont get confused with Brazil speaking Portuguese ... you daft lad! Big difference between a typo and ignorance...!

We were in fact moving towards ceding them to Argentina just prior to the disastrous invasion! If the Argies had waited another year or so they might well have got them by now!

Having spent some time in the country, there is a fair degree of ambiva

[Akwesasne]

They have been heavily disputed for years. They technically belonged to the Spanish when the Spanish had soverignty over Argentina too. Its gone backwards and forwards between different nations. However in 1833 the British effectively ethnically cleansed the Argentinian population from the Islands ...

We negotiated with them in the 70s I beleive over the Islands but pulled out and refused to continue.

And Argentina is predominantly Spanish speaking ... dont get confused with Brazil speaking Portuguese ... you daft lad! Big difference between a typo and ignorance...!

We were in fact moving towards ceding them to Argentina just prior to the disastrous invasion! If the Argies had waited another year or so they might well have got them by now!

Having spent some time i

[Rapid]

you're a real lefty aren't you swales?