FA Charge West Brom

[Albionic68]

It comes down to whether its the CLUBS fault or the FANS fault. Blaming the club is unfair.

For what it's worth while a number of supporters didn't cover themselves in glory the stewarding really could and should have been better on the day. I can understand to a degree where the FA are coming from in that regard.

At the same time the police have been very eager to overlook their own shortcomings and in some instances provocative behaviours. What happened in the Millennium Corner and the front of the East Stand wasn't as one sided as they seem to be suggesting.

[mickd1961]

It comes down to whether it’s the CLUBS fault or the FANS fault. Blaming the club is unfair.

I completely agree.

If an Albion fan has a punch up with another Albion fan in the Brummie Rd ( which I’ve seen on numerous occasions down the years ) are the club EVER held responsible, of course they aren’t.

They are arrested and charged and rightly so.

It’s impossible to know when some idiot has sold their tickets to moronic away fans.

AL…..if you buy a couple of tickets from a Wolves fan and then you go into the South Bank and spark a riot are you suggesting that Wolves should be sanctioned?

It doesn’t make any sense to me, I cannot see how Wolves would be responsible for your actions or the actions of those who might kick off.

[baggieal]

I completely agree.

If an Albion fan has a punch up with another Albion fan in the Brummie Rd ( which I’ve seen on numerous occasions down the years ) are the club EVER held responsible, of course they aren’t.

They are arrested and charged and rightly so.

It’s impossible to know when some idiot has sold their tickets to moronic away fans.

AL…..if you buy a couple of tickets from a Wolves fan and then you go into the South Bank and spark a riot are you suggesting that Wolves should be sanctioned?

It doesn’t make any sense to me, I cannot see how Wolves would be responsible for your actions or the actions of those who might kick off.

You only saw the bits on the tele like Boingy Mick. Not two coppers getting nutted and punched and whilst one copper was on the floor he was stamped on. Then along came about a hundred supporters from the Brummie who joined in with one brandishing the corner flag.

Of course we should be fined. Dan hit the nail on the head about the stewards. Why didn’t the stewards evict those Wolves supporters immediately? What were the stewards doing when around a hundred West Brom fans joined in running from the Brummie?

Who do the stewards work for? Prando and Lloyd in that same corner and east stand have already said the incidents were vicious. Lloyd will tell you no doubt - how many families and disabled people left in disgust?

The club should have better stewarding and the club should be thankful the supporters did not get fully on the pitch as they were trying!

[baggieal]

You're right Al'. The Wolves match wasn't a one off and our support base isn't filled with angels, yet as you acknowledge it is still better than many. Saying that readers would be hard pushed to know it from some of your descriptions 😉 .

Millwall away was a sad reflection on a day of wider frustration in a very disappointing season. The seat chucking was on a much smaller scale than at the Villa though and fortunately they landed on the pitch without causing injury.

Neither incident should have occurred yet by comparison I shouldn't have been pelted with coins and cigarette lighters by Villa supporters twice in a week either. Speaking of which you're referencing a fixture there from nine years ago as though it were recent as a mark of escalating behaviours. Very nearly a decade has passed since then to the Wolves game.

If you were to go through arrests for even minor offences throughout the Premier League and EFL we don't rate anywhere near the top ten, although I do concede that the drunken dinner lady who was escorted from the field after nutmegging a steward against Wolves amongst others will help to boost those figures.

The actions during the Wolves game were an embarrassment especially as they were live on TV but for the most part it was people playing for the camera or their moment of infamy on social media as opposed to being outright vicious.

I agree the stewards were crap against Wolves and should have evicted those Wolves supporters quicker and stopped those running across from the Brummie. You don’t see any trouble at away games Dan as you go on the coach and coaches usually park next to the ground. The morons who cause trouble go by train or by self means ie cars/vans and go into the town centres. Last season at Stoke there were battles away from the ground as like many we walked in the opposite direction from the coaches. Even at Hull the coach supporters were allowed to leave immediately but an idiot bunch were locked in behind gates for 10 minutes.

[mickd1961]

You only saw the bits on the tele like Boingy Mick. Not two coppers getting nutted and punched and whilst one copper was on the floor he was stamped on. Then along came about a hundred supporters from the Brummie who joined in with one brandishing the corner flag.

Of course we should be fined. Dan hit the nail on the head about the stewards. Why didn’t the stewards evict those Wolves supporters immediately? What were the stewards doing when around a hundred West Brom fans joined in running from the Brummie?

Who do the stewards work for? Prando and Lloyd in that same corner and east stand have already said the incidents were vicious. Lloyd will tell you no doubt - how many families and disabled people left in disgust?

The club should have better stewarding and the club should be thankful the supporters did not get fully on the pitch as they were trying!

I’ve got a mate who’s an Albion steward, they get paid an absolute pittance, why should they have to risk their health?

It’s the job of the police to police events.

I believe it’s the police who indicate how many they need to cover a particular match and thus it should become their responsibility and them that get fined if they fail to do their job.

They also dictate things like kick off time so they have a lot of power over each game they police.

The police also don’t help themselves, we’ve all been privy to those occasions where they go in heavy handed and just start wielding the baton on all and sundry.

Arrogant and incompetent policing is part of the issue and lazy policing as well.

They’re often happy to stand around chatting whilst letting middle aged stewards deal with these aggressive morons.

It’s too easy just to blame clubs, all a club can really do is to ban an individual once they’ve been caught causing trouble.

[baggieal]

I’ve got a mate who’s an Albion steward, they get paid an absolute pittance, why should they have to risk their health?

It’s the job of the police to police events.

I believe it’s the police who indicate how many they need to cover a particular match and thus it should become their responsibility and them that get fined if they fail to do their job.

They also dictate things like kick off time so they have a lot of power over each game they police.

The police also don’t help themselves, we’ve all been privy to those occasions where they go in heavy handed and just start wielding the baton on all and sundry.

Arrogant and incompetent policing is part of the issue and lazy policing as well.

They’re often happy to stand around chatting whilst letting middle aged stewards deal with these aggressive morons.

It’s too easy just to blame clubs, all a club can really do is to ban an individual once they’ve been caught causing trouble.

I agree! Perhaps if the club spent less time on stupid fkin things like rainbow this and that and taking the knee for a crack head and focused on security - there would be less problems.

There seemed a total over kill of police at Huddersfield patrolling the middle of the streets - vans and bikes galore to very little police presence at the Wolves match.

Pubs were rammed from 9am before the Wolves match then they wonder why there’s trouble!

Wolves should also get a fine for supporters lobbing their smoke bombs!

[Albionic68]

I agree the stewards were crap against Wolves and should have evicted those Wolves supporters quicker and stopped those running across from the Brummie. You don’t see any trouble at away games Dan as you go on the coach and coaches usually park next to the ground. The morons who cause trouble go by train or by self means ie cars/vans and go into the town centres. Last season at Stoke there were battles away from the ground as like many we walked in the opposite direction from the coaches. Even at Hull the coach supporters were allowed to leave immediately but an idiot bunch were locked in behind gates for 10 minutes.

Haven't got the foggiest idea where you've got the impression I lead the sheltered away day experience you describe Al'.

Yes for the most part I go to games via coach but it's private hire and we pop up for beers all over the place. It's a very rare day we go straight to the away turnstiles and when we do it's because we've been caught in very heavy traffic.

Also travel to games via train and private minibus hire. My favourite away day is Millwall on the train when we head into Bermondsey via any number of pubs around the London Bridge area.

This season's early kick off has put paid to that but we're still leaving West Brom at 06:00hrs for tots along the way 😎.

[baggieal]

Bored with this thread now! Mick can you run on the pitch tomorrow and kick the
f uck out of a Bristol fan!

Dan - you can lob a seat on to the pitch at Millwall.

Lloyd will be on the watch out in the Halfords corner for any dude speaking like a farmer 😂

[mickd1961]

Bored with this thread now! Mick can you run on the pitch tomorrow and kick the
f uck out of a Bristol fan!

Dan - you can lob a seat on to the pitch at Millwall.

Lloyd will be on the watch out in the Halfords corner for any dude speaking like a farmer 😂

68……looks like AL has picked up the ball and walked off! 😏🤣

[On Balance]

68……looks like AL has picked up the ball and walked off! ����

To be fair if you did not witness it first hand then you may not understand the full picture. We, me the wife and our two young ones left when it kicked off and haven’t been back. I don’t want my children seeing policeman and stewards getting battered by morons. It was a few that started it and a large number of thugs that joined in.

As a nation we are undermining authority and have been doing so for to long. We are what we are because people dislike authority. We moan when the police don’t work and we moan when they do.

I know many officer through work. They are not all great, some are not fit for purpose but most are genuine and work facing things the whiners wouldn’t go near. And that comes from someone, who on occasions works on the opposite side to them.

And the club should be fined, without any doubt. They failed.

I will not return to the Hawthorns for the time being. If we do go we’ll go in the hospitality suits, which we do occasionally for a treat. We’ll have to treat ourselves a little more I guess and pick the games we go to.