Who nicked the Taxpayers' dosh..?

[1959_60]

BT, let's take a look at the state pension.

When Gordon Brown was in charge in 2010 the state pension was £97.

Following the Lib Dem initiative, the "triple lock" was introduced, and pensions were raised. The state pension is now £160. Not a fortune, but MUCH better than under the last Labour Government.

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/p...0-in-2010.html


The rich/poor divide has actually been falling since Labour was last in office, where it remained at the same level for their term in office.

https://www.ft.com/content/24e88c30-...5d080?mhq5j=e6

As you know, I despise the Tories but Labours current policies are simply ridiculous.

The three worst events of my life occured under a Labour Government. The Winter of Discontent, The Iraq war and the great crash of 2008 (Vince Cable had warned about this consistently but Labour and the Tories wanted to deregulate the banks even more)

I was actually a Labour member until the mid 90's, and then Tony Blair happened. If only John Smith hadn't passed away too soon the country would have been in a better state.

The current Labour party reminds me of the Muppet Show - and they are promising the earth to everyone without them having to pay anything in return (apart from the mega rich and businesses). But these businesses are our only means of gaining wealth for the country, so how does that work?
You told us that you thought that we should reduce corporation tax, yet Labour are planning to increase it from 19% to 26%. What are your thoughts on this BT?

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Not got time to write an essay on fiscal policy just now 1959-60, but I would suggest corporate profits do not drive economic growth, they’re just banked sums of money - i.e. restless sums of surplus capital, ready to flood speculative markets at home and abroad and are not used to fuel investment at home in plant and machinery.

Your UK £160.00 per week pension incidentally nets you just short of £600.00 per week if you had the same set of circumstances as a worker in Germany.

Do not ever again please use any Blair initiative (WMD etc.) and confuse it with socialism. Remind me again who said invading Iraq was patent bloody nonsense?

A clue...

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[1959_60]

BT, if profitable businesses, who DO pay their taxes don't create our wealth, them what does?

You were suggesting earlier that you would REDUCE corporation tax by the way?

As for the Iraq war, it was the Lib Dems led by Charles Kennedy who were really opposing the war. If I had been a Labour MP at the time I would have resigned. Corbyn just carried on.

Judge them by their actions, not their words.

[NZClaret]

In the United kingdom we have:

Real fuel poverty.
Universal Credits that takes a person up to 12 weeks to receive any benefits.
A rudderless boat going over the cliff regarding Brexit.
Armed forces that are not fit for purpose.
A paltry State Pension provision.
Rising crime.
Overcrowded jails.
European citizens residing in the UK in limbo land.
An ever increasing gap between the rich and the poor.
Food banks.

...and some smart arse who debunked from good old Blighty and thinks the Tories are wonderful, who now lives in the New Zealand "Rock Star Economy and thinks an the idea of an alternative form of redistributing wealth in the UK is "clueless?"

Stick to football comrade because you know nothing about poverty and privileged entitlement.

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The problem with your ilk is that you want to re distribute the wealth from those who get off their ar.s and work, put in the effort, take the risk, start their own business and do the hard yards and you want to give it to the lazy, feckless, sit on their ar.s Jeremy Kyle brigade. You never answer a question, just throw out dribble as above. Again, where in the World has hard left Socialism been a success? I have quoted a list of just a few previously where is has been an abject disaster, come on genius.

[1959_60]

Actually, pure Communism is the best system.

It has been practised for thousands of years by small tribes and the Aborigines etc.

Basically, from each according to their skills, from each according to their needs.

So, in a smallish group, the best hunters go and get the food, the best cooks cook it and the elderly and infirm are well looked after. Perfect.

But, the kind of Communism recently seen in russia, China etc is NOTHING like that.

Aspiration is not allowed. You can only progress if you are one of the Chosen Few. Dissent is certainly NOT allowed, or it's off to the Gulags with you. Know your place and don't ask questions.

Corbyn and his gang are obviously fans of this system. Look how the non-Corbynistas are treated in their own party.

Think on.

[alfinyalcabo]

This is the trouble with political threads,it can end up with people falling out... I don't know much about politics but what I do know is that whoever is in charge they rob the working class out of their money.. They are all robbing bastids whether Left wing right wing or dead centre.. I'd shoot them all...

[1959_60]

Evening Alf!

Nah, it's not falling out - it's a good exchange of views with no punches pulled - like it should be!

If anyone is frightened to express their views then that is unhealthy and undemocratic.

This forum is just right - strong opinions without getting nasty.

Oh, and you are talking sh1te

[alfinyalcabo]

Evening Alf!

Nah, it's not falling out - it's a good exchange of views with no punches pulled - like it should be!

If anyone is frightened to express their views then that is unhealthy and undemocratic.

This forum is just right - strong opinions without getting nasty.

Oh, and you are talking sh1te

Nothing changes then..

[Balanbam00]

59-60 : No, no, Communism is not a good system.

At its very base it goes against human rationality,human mentality, and logic.
The sentence by Karl Marx, ''from each according to his ability to each according to his need(s)" It is known that human needs are infinite! If Marx would have understood, the human being. His theory would have continued until today.
Communism is a political and economic system in which the major productive resources in a society—such as mines, factories, and farms—are owned by the public or the state,...... and wealth is divided among citizens equally or according to individual need.
Also there is no such thing as ' pure Communism' Its just a mental theory,in practice it will never work. Plus today in a sea of Capitalism it will never work. Even if some young kids want to start a new place of ''pure communism,it will work for 3,5,8,10 years? Then it will meet its own death.
The Israeli kibbutz was a communal way of living it lasted some 50- 60 years but now it has failed. Nobody wants that life style these days and nearly all kibbutz now have changed, they are now capitalists

[1959_60]

Evening Balanbam.

Pure Communism is exactly what tribes in Africa, the aborigines and others have used for literally thousands of years - and it works perfectly for them.

The form of communism practised by the Russians, Chinese etc only works for the very few at the top. It is a dreadful system in this case.