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[Andy_Faber]

So Liz Truss hails a deal with India saying "The Uk can export apples to India for the first time in 50 years" As Belgium exported 10 million kilos of apples to India last year and is in the EU, how did being in the Eu prevent the UK from exporting apples to India?

Jeez the guff coming out of Government desperate to sell any old lie as a Brexit bonus is getting desperate!

That’s not a fair comparison, I think your talking apples and oranges…

[ramAnag]

That’s not a fair comparison, I think your talking apples and oranges…

Why isn’t it? If Belgium, as a member of the EU, can export apples to India what was preventing us when we were members and why is it some sort of breakthrough trade deal now that we can?

[Andy_Faber]

Why isn’t it? If Belgium, as a member of the EU, can export apples to India what was preventing us when we were members and why is it some sort of breakthrough trade deal now that we can?

Just joshing with apples/apples thing rA

[Trickytreesreds]

I see the same nit picking is still going on

If they weren't doing their best to start trading with others, still get slaughtered.

Brexit was never about one thing like trade. As the 2 main perpetrators of that argument on here avoid.
The biggest thing was quality of life.
That comes in many forms and unless you are the bottom end of the ladder, it doesn't put you in a place to understand.
Try going to talk to some folks off council estates etc, then come back with your digs.
Champagne socialists.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Why isn’t it? If Belgium, as a member of the EU, can export apples to India what was preventing us when we were members and why is it some sort of breakthrough trade deal now that we can?

Its down to the way that quotas and preferred production areas worked under the CAP, rA. In the same way that wine production is focussed on certain natural growing areas, cheeses and other products get Protected Domain of Origin (PDO) status - eg Parma Ham, Parmesan cheese, Stilton cheese, Feta cheese and so on.

Under the CAP/PDO regime, Belgium had very few outputs that could be considered protected (chocolate, strong beer aside) and so they - as founder 6 members under the Treaty of Rome - were allocated apples as a preferred production area in order to evolve dedicated growth areas (I was going to say core areas, but....) I think Italy got lemons and I'm sure the French got other fruits, all based on ambient climate etc. Thus when Britain joined the 6, our apple exports were restricted by this preference already granted to Belgium and so our export quotas outside the bloc were restricted in order to protect the Belgian agribusiness which had invested heavily in orchards etc.

My grandfather was growing apples for the export market at the time we joined EU and had to grub up his orchards as a result, which was soul destroying as it had taken years of love, investment and labour to get the trees into mature production. He retired and the orchards are now housing estates

So now we are not constrained by the CAP and the PDO status, we can openly compete globally

[Trickytreesreds]

Its down to the way that quotas and preferred production areas worked under the CAP, rA. In the same way that wine production is focussed on certain natural growing areas, cheeses and other products get Protected Domain of Origin (PDO) status - eg Parma Ham, Parmesan cheese, Stilton cheese, Feta cheese and so on.

Under the CAP/PDO regime, Belgium had very few outputs that could be considered protected (chocolate, strong beer aside) and so they - as founder 6 members under the Treaty of Rome - were allocated apples as a preferred production area in order to evolve dedicated growth areas (I was going to say core areas, but....) I think Italy got lemons and I'm sure the French got other fruits, all based on ambient climate etc. Thus when Britain joined the 6, our apple exports were restricted by this preference already granted to Belgium and so our export quotas outside the bloc were restricted in order to protect the Belgian agribusiness which had invested heavily in orchards etc.

My grandfather was growing apples for the export market at the time we joined EU and had to grub up his orchards as a result, which was soul destroying as it had taken years of love, investment and labour to get the trees into mature production. He retired and the orchards are now housing estates

So now we are not constrained by the CAP and the PDO status, we can openly compete globally

Will you stop posting things like that.
Next you'll be accusing us, of giving all our fish away.
The EU has always done what's right for us.

[ramAnag]

I see the same nit picking is still going on

If they weren't doing their best to start trading with others, still get slaughtered.

Brexit was never about one thing like trade. As the 2 main perpetrators of that argument on here avoid.
The biggest thing was quality of life.
That comes in many forms and unless you are the bottom end of the ladder, it doesn't put you in a place to understand.
Try going to talk to some folks off council estates etc, then come back with your digs.
Champagne socialists.

When someone posts an intelligent response, such as GP’s about Belgium’s apples, I understand that he probably understands more about a specific issue than I do, Tricky.

When you post that ‘Brexit was never about one thing like trade’...that somehow being in the EU was detrimental to my/our ‘quality of life’ and describe Swale and I as ‘champagne socialists’ I just laugh and remember the old advice about arguing with idiots.

[Geoff Parkstone]

When someone posts an intelligent response, such as GP’s about Belgium’s apples, I understand that he probably understands more about a specific issue than I do,

Mind you, I could have just made the whole thing up to see how much the Swale approach of giving seemingly plausible falsehoods an air of authority can work for others

[Trickytreesreds]

When you post that ‘Brexit was never about one thing like trade’...that somehow being in the EU was detrimental to my/our ‘quality of life’ and describe Swale and I as ‘champagne socialists’ I just laugh and remember the old advice about arguing with idiots.

So to be clear.
You are saying Brexit was only about trade then and immigration/services/housing(quality of life)/being ruled by more and more by a federal bureacracy had feck all to do with it?

Champagne socialists. Do you live in a crowded urban environment? Do you live near the bottom rung of the cash ladder|?

If you don't then yes, you ARE a champagne socialist.

[ramAnag]

You could, GP, but too much verisimilitude and emotion about your grandfather’s orchards. I’m not going to argue with that.

Don’t need to anyway...could just ask about the shortage of fruit (fruit pickers), the shortage of deliveries and refuse collecting (lack of HGV drivers), the shortage of hotel and restaurant staff (EU hospitality workers) etc, etc. Sure Covid has played a part but it’s largely down to you know what.

It’s a bit like how all the corner shops and taxi firms were taken over by Asians because the indigenous white population didn’t fancy the long hours...then there was an unemployment crisis and the same people started moaning about ‘Pakis’ taking ‘our’ jobs.