O/T Covid Vaccine mRNA

[frogmiller]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10091442/

[KerrAvon]

Why are you going on about regarding the birth rates? Have I mentioned it over the last few days or are you going back somewhat?

It’s simple Frog:

1. You posted a link to a video in which Naomi Wolf in which she claimed that 80% of pregnancies in vaccinated women ended in miscarriage. That was yesterday, which isn't really going back.
2. You appear to believe the contents of the video given that you posted it without comment.
3. The veracity of the claim made by Wolf can be easily checked – if it is true, there must be a demonstrable fall in birth rates that correlates with the vaccine roll out.
4.There is no such fall in birthrate (unless you know otherwise).
In short, I’m suggesting to you that you should apply a little critical thinking before posting videos that have the capacity to scare and worry people.

If it helps for you to assess Wolf’s output, you may find this article from 2014 enlightening:

https://www.vox.com/2014/10/5/690983...iracy-theories

That’s the calibre of the people who are apparently informing your views about the covid vaccines. They probably make a good living from their output though.

[KerrAvon]

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...ocarditis.html

This was a conspiracy before but now it’s not!

Can you give an example of anyone dismissing the link between the mRNA vaccines and myocarditis as a conspiracy theory?

Like all new drugs and treatments, the covid vaccines were subject to post release surveillance. A ‘signal’ from the data relating to the mRNA vaccines that indicated a possible link to myocarditis was detected in the months following rollout. It was investigated and publicised as early as April 2021.

Similarly, a potential link between the AZ vaccine and blood clots was detected and investigated and appeared in a revised patient information leaflet for that product in April 2021 (that why some of the legal claims against AZ have already failed because they related to vaccinations given after that revision).

That’s how the side effect surveillance system works, Frog.

Where the conspiracy theory comes in is in relation to the claims that myocarditis will cause many deaths as claimed in an earlier scare video that you posted. That is simply untrue. Most incidences of post vaccine myocarditis are mild and self-limiting (in other words they get better without treatment).

The antivaxxers also ignore the fact that the risk of myocarditis associated with covid infection far exceeds that associated with the vaccines.

That’s how conspiracists work, Frog.

[KerrAvon]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10091442/

The conclusion of that article reads:

Though correlational, her medical team surmised that the mRNA vaccine may have contributed to this presentation. The side effects of COVID-19 infection and vaccination are still incompletely understood. Though complications are rare, clinicians should be aware of presentations like this one.

In other words, the point of the paper is that the doctors who treated the victim thought that her illness may have been a factor in her illness because of the timing of it, but there are no other reported similar incidences following the many millions of other vaccinations given.

Are you aware of a proven link?

[frogmiller]

Looks like I have my own personal fact checker 😂

[frogmiller]

The conclusion of that article reads:

Though correlational, her medical team surmised that the mRNA vaccine may have contributed to this presentation. The side effects of COVID-19 infection and vaccination are still incompletely understood. Though complications are rare, clinicians should be aware of presentations like this one.

In other words, the point of the paper is that the doctors who treated the victim thought that her illness may have been a factor in her illness because of the timing of it, but there are no other reported similar incidences following the many millions of other vaccinations given.

Are you aware of a proven link?

As you wrote or copied and pasted

“ The side effects of COVID-19 infection and vaccination are still incompletely understood. ”

Why the hell are they including the mNRA in other vaccines before the side effects are understood?

Why are the still potentially poisoning people when they clearly haven’t tested this drug?

I’ll wait for the essay including the need to act fast to stop transmission etc! Bla bla bla-bla-bla

[KerrAvon]

Looks like I have my own personal fact checker 😂

Perhaps you should be fact checking your own posts before you put them up, particularly if they are capable of spreading misinformation and fear as much of the stuff that you are harvesting from Twitter can.

[KerrAvon]

As you wrote or copied and pasted

“ The side effects of COVID-19 infection and vaccination are still incompletely understood. ”

Why the hell are they including the mNRA in other vaccines before the side effects are understood?

Why are the still potentially poisoning people when they clearly haven’t tested this drug?

I’ll wait for the essay including the need to act fast to stop transmission etc! Bla bla bla-bla-bla

To split hairs the quote does not refer to the side effects of mRNA vaccines being incompletely understood. It refers to the vaccinations generally.

The biochemistry of mRNA is well understood. It is a key component of every cell in every living organism.

The covid vaccines were tested in the same way as every other vaccine or drug. That involves using volunteers in a series of trails to determine that they were safe and effective. The number of people who take part in a drug trial is necessarily limited however, which means that very rare side effects might not be detected.

Very rare side effects are looked for in post rollout surveillance in which potential adverse events are reported to determine whether there is a pattern (a ‘signal’) that indicates cause as opposed to coincidence. That process worked in respect of the mRNA vaccines to suggest that they can rarely caused myocarditis and in respect of AZ to show that they can very rarely cause blood clotting.

See for example (April 2021):

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/as...lood-platelets

As I mentioned, myocarditis is also a complication of covid infections (but occurring at a higher rate in the unvaccinated than the vaccinated), which suggests that it is the spike protein of the virus in the infection and that which is briefly produced within the body after an mRNA vaccine that is involved in it’s occurrence.

The clotting issue with the AZ vaccine is believed to be a consequence of a potential interaction between the virus used to deliver (‘vector’) the vaccine and a blood component called platelet factor 4.

The article concerning the post vaccination death that you linked to confirmed that there were no reports of similar incidents following Moderna vaccinations, which suggests that it may well have been a coincidental death as opposed to there being a causal link, but the report was from December 2022 and so things may have moved on.

The report also confirmed that 'complications are rare'

You seem dismissive of the need for speed. Covid was killing large numbers of people despite the lockdowns that were disrupting education, industry, regular health care and the ability of people to interact and have ‘normal’ lives. Personally, I am grateful for the speed with which the vaccines were developed and delivered.

[frogmiller]

He’s growing on me!

https://x.com/billboardchris/status/...lcvxGrPcIOixGQ

[frogmiller]

Here is a montage of people that have changed their minds on the mNRA vaccins.

Like me they were grateful for the vaccine rollout but have had reason to change their opinion.

https://x.com/bgatesisapyscho/status...lcvxGrPcIOixGQ