Jim Mac Fun Boss

[shedka]

Yup we have a few loan players,most teams do that are struggling(did you not start 3 last game?)
As I said we are both underachieving,our budget is top 6 in the league yet here we are in 11th,you boys have prob had the best budget in all of your 3 seasons in the fizzy pop yet are still there in 3rd and not clear at the top where you should be.
Both down to bad choices of manager and we now have new managers trying to rectify it.As for crowds,these figures bore me as if I,m honest I,m amazed we get any more than a couple of thousand due to decades of mismanagement and yoyoing between leagues.
Ask yourself this if in 3 years time,you are still in the lower leagues and the yank has upped and left do you think your crowds will be the same??Your club like most have lost fans due to a number of reasons,I think your main one was Stephen Thompson and the lack of bigger games.We had a 7 year jolly without the luxury of play offs so you lads are fortunate in this change.Think about it rationally for once without your obvious hatred of dundee fc(i get that by the way)

How many of our January signings were loans and how many permanent?

Sorry but you only got promotion after so many years because of rangers going bust which led to your second promotion as you had a team ready for the championship when you went back down and it was a very very weak division in 2013/14

Of course I hate dfc, just like most dees hate utd, what I dislike most is the utter bull**** that had been spouted for years by your fans, even on the surface more sensible ones like your still dribble shyte tbh

On crowds, ours held up fine during relegation and after, only showing a real drop of about 1k on our first season down after Csaba the clowns reign of hell on top of the stuff with Thompson, unlike yourselves we have never needed derbies to turn out for games, especially in the top flight where we had excellent averages for years without derbies, we had proper big games and big game atmospheres with various clubs home and away

Let's not compare, dundee were an SPL club for 7 years from 1998-2005, lets talk facts, you averaged 2700 in 1997 in the second tier, then 6000-6500 in the first two years back in the SPL (despite derbies and big away supports from the old firm etc), suddenly lots of fans jumped on the bonetti bandwagon and crawled out from under their rocks when your averages actually got to an ok level for 2-3 years at the 7000-7500 mark (big jump in 4 years but we were the glory hunters.... ), then admin one and relegation from 2003-2005 they dropped back down to 6000ish, then first season down you were averaging 3500ish, deserted in your droves very quickly not over time

That's not what had happened with us, we went down and still averaged well over 6k, and yes Csaba and results he had have saw a drop but nothing overly significant, still regularly getting more home fans in than go to dens

For years we were told if roles were reversed we would have worse crowds or if Dundee got up we'd see who the big team were, it was all havers, we won't know unless it happens what crowds we may get in each scanario but so far predictions in the past about "if this or that happened to United they'd not get half the crowds we get" have been well wide of the mark, and the reality seems to be you have no big games that your fans get up for (or turnout for I should say) at home unless we are the opposition

[petermackie]

How many of our January signings were loans and how many permanent?

Sorry but you only got promotion after so many years because of rangers going bust which led to your second promotion as you had a team ready for the championship when you went back down and it was a very very weak division in 2013/14

Of course I hate dfc, just like most dees hate utd, what I dislike most is the utter bull**** that had been spouted for years by your fans, even on the surface more sensible ones like your still dribble shyte tbh

On crowds, ours held up fine during relegation and after, only showing a real drop of about 1k on our first season down after Csaba the clowns reign of hell on top of the stuff with Thompson, unlike yourselves we have never needed derbies to turn out for games, especially in the top flight where we had excellent averages for years without derbies, we had proper big games and big game atmospheres with various clubs home and away

Let's not compare, dundee were an SPL club for 7 years from 1998-2005, lets talk facts, you averaged 2700 in 1997 in the second tier, then 6000-6500 in the first two years back in the SPL (despite derbies and big away supports from the old firm etc), suddenly lots of fans jumped on the bonetti bandwagon and crawled out from under their rocks when your averages actually got to an ok level for 2-3 years at the 7000-7500 mark (big jump in 4 years but we were the glory hunters.... ), then admin one and relegation from 2003-2005 they dropped back down to 6000ish, then first season down you were averaging 3500ish, deserted in your droves very quickly not over time

That's not what had happened with us, we went down and still averaged well over 6k, and yes Csaba and results he had have saw a drop but nothing overly significant, still regularly getting more home fans in than go to dens

For years we were told if roles were reversed we would have worse crowds or if Dundee got up we'd see who the big team were, it was all havers, we won't know unless it happens what crowds we may get in each scanario but so far predictions in the past about "if this or that happened to United they'd not get half the crowds we get" have been well wide of the mark, and the reality seems to be you have no big games that your fans get up for (or turnout for I should say) at home unless we are the opposition

Agree your crowds have held up quite well ...but I think even you would have to admit the play offs make it an unfair comparison...given that both years your season would've been over a good bit before the end if it was win only

[eric_sinclair]

How many of our January signings were loans and how many permanent?

Sorry but you only got promotion after so many years because of rangers going bust which led to your second promotion as you had a team ready for the championship when you went back down and it was a very very weak division in 2013/14

Of course I hate dfc, just like most dees hate utd, what I dislike most is the utter bull**** that had been spouted for years by your fans, even on the surface more sensible ones like your still dribble shyte tbh

On crowds, ours held up fine during relegation and after, only showing a real drop of about 1k on our first season down after Csaba the clowns reign of hell on top of the stuff with Thompson, unlike yourselves we have never needed derbies to turn out for games, especially in the top flight where we had excellent averages for years without derbies, we had proper big games and big game atmospheres with various clubs home and away

Let's not compare, dundee were an SPL club for 7 years from 1998-2005, lets talk facts, you averaged 2700 in 1997 in the second tier, then 6000-6500 in the first two years back in the SPL (despite derbies and big away supports from the old firm etc), suddenly lots of fans jumped on the bonetti bandwagon and crawled out from under their rocks when your averages actually got to an ok level for 2-3 years at the 7000-7500 mark (big jump in 4 years but we were the glory hunters.... ), then admin one and relegation from 2003-2005 they dropped back down to 6000ish, then first season down you were averaging 3500ish, deserted in your droves very quickly not over time

That's not what had happened with us, we went down and still averaged well over 6k, and yes Csaba and results he had have saw a drop but nothing overly significant, still regularly getting more home fans in than go to dens

For years we were told if roles were reversed we would have worse crowds or if Dundee got up we'd see who the big team were, it was all havers, we won't know unless it happens what crowds we may get in each scanario but so far predictions in the past about "if this or that happened to United they'd not get half the crowds we get" have been well wide of the mark, and the reality seems to be you have no big games that your fans get up for (or turnout for I should say) at home unless we are the opposition

Says a lot that the majority of your post is about attendances,you regulary spout pish on here and your own fans have said on numerous occasions.
You like to deal in facts well here is the deal.In my lifetime united have won ALL their major honours,we have won 1.United have had great cup runs and euro adventures,we have had scraps.Am I jealous of what dabs my age have saw and the euro trips?hell ye.
But the clubs as a whole(all time not just when you got decent).
We have played in front of more home fans that united EVER will.
We have played in front of more fans in a game than united EVER will
There has been 1 derby at a neautral ground dundee fc received the home end and outnumbered united fans.
We have not won a trophy for over 40 years
United did not win a major honour for 70..
Moral of the story.. we can all spin figures,cup wins etc but its all history.The fact our crowds have been lower than uniteds for years is due to what I said earlier your club has been far more successful in the last 40 years than my club.Im sure if we compare figures when we were the dominant team and you were in div 2 for most of the time our crowds were far better.
Would I rather had it the other way around of course I would and would love to have witnessed the cup wins and euro trips some of your fans have.
As the song says born too late.
Now shedka you have a great day in paisley,canna beat a good cup away day(its been a while) and ease aff the hatred!!
I do hate united but just no as bitter as you.

[JamesMcClean]

Says a lot that the majority of your post is about attendances,you regulary spout pish on here and your own fans have said on numerous occasions.
You like to deal in facts well here is the deal.In my lifetime united have won ALL their major honours,we have won 1.United have had great cup runs and euro adventures,we have had scraps.Am I jealous of what dabs my age have saw and the euro trips?hell ye.
But the clubs as a whole(all time not just when you got decent).
We have played in front of more home fans that united EVER will.
We have played in front of more fans in a game than united EVER will
There has been 1 derby at a neautral ground dundee fc received the home end and outnumbered united fans.
We have not won a trophy for over 40 years
United did not win a major honour for 70..
Moral of the story.. we can all spin figures,cup wins etc but its all history.The fact our crowds have been lower than uniteds for years is due to what I said earlier your club has been far more successful in the last 40 years than my club.Im sure if we compare figures when we were the dominant team and you were in div 2 for most of the time our crowds were far better.
Would I rather had it the other way around of course I would and would love to have witnessed the cup wins and euro trips some of your fans have.
As the song says born too late.
Now shedka you have a great day in paisley,canna beat a good cup away day(its been a while) and ease aff the hatred!!
I do hate united but just no as bitter as you.

Eric that is probably the most sensible post I have ever read from a Dee. There is really nothing to argue with there. Are you absolutely sure you’re not an Arab?????

[An old shed boy]

Says a lot that the majority of your post is about attendances,you regulary spout pish on here and your own fans have said on numerous occasions.
You like to deal in facts well here is the deal.In my lifetime united have won ALL their major honours,we have won 1.United have had great cup runs and euro adventures,we have had scraps.Am I jealous of what dabs my age have saw and the euro trips?hell ye.
But the clubs as a whole(all time not just when you got decent).
We have played in front of more home fans that united EVER will.
We have played in front of more fans in a game than united EVER will
There has been 1 derby at a neautral ground dundee fc received the home end and outnumbered united fans.
We have not won a trophy for over 40 years
United did not win a major honour for 70..
Moral of the story.. we can all spin figures,cup wins etc but its all history.The fact our crowds have been lower than uniteds for years is due to what I said earlier your club has been far more successful in the last 40 years than my club.Im sure if we compare figures when we were the dominant team and you were in div 2 for most of the time our crowds were far better.
Would I rather had it the other way around of course I would and would love to have witnessed the cup wins and euro trips some of your fans have.
As the song says born too late.
Now shedka you have a great day in paisley,canna beat a good cup away day(its been a while) and ease aff the hatred!!
I do hate united but just no as bitter as you.

That’s actually a decent post imo.
I never get this obsession with attendances.
So fck who has more supporters it doesn’t change anything.
At this minute we are a lower tier club and Dundee are in the top league.
That might or might not change this year.
Dundee have a bigger support than Hamilton.
Will Hamilton supporters care if they stay above Dundee. I somehow doubt it.
For me the biggest thing about being a supporter is having watched your team winning a trophy.
It’s impossible to put into words and I’m one of the lucky ones
Most Dundee fans will never have had that and never will.
And stats from The Wee Red Book won’t change that. (Does it still exist?)

[Shedboy1971]

Eric - thats 3 decent good posts in a row. enjoying reading this thread

[RAM1971]

Says a lot that the majority of your post is about attendances,you regulary spout pish on here and your own fans have said on numerous occasions.
You like to deal in facts well here is the deal.In my lifetime united have won ALL their major honours,we have won 1.United have had great cup runs and euro adventures,we have had scraps.Am I jealous of what dabs my age have saw and the euro trips?hell ye.
But the clubs as a whole(all time not just when you got decent).
We have played in front of more home fans that united EVER will.
We have played in front of more fans in a game than united EVER will
There has been 1 derby at a neautral ground dundee fc received the home end and outnumbered united fans.
We have not won a trophy for over 40 years
United did not win a major honour for 70..
Moral of the story.. we can all spin figures,cup wins etc but its all history.The fact our crowds have been lower than uniteds for years is due to what I said earlier your club has been far more successful in the last 40 years than my club.Im sure if we compare figures when we were the dominant team and you were in div 2 for most of the time our crowds were far better.
Would I rather had it the other way around of course I would and would love to have witnessed the cup wins and euro trips some of your fans have.
As the song says born too late.
Now shedka you have a great day in paisley,canna beat a good cup away day(its been a while) and ease aff the hatred!!
I do hate united but just no as bitter as you.

Eck, a much simpler way of looking at things is this. When your success ended, ours began. Basically you have to win one of the big three to turn things in your favour.

[num1adi]

Yip he's doing fine so far , out the bottom two for the first time this season , some quality January signings well done agent Mac

[offshore_arab83]

Yip he's doing fine so far , out the bottom two for the first time this season , some quality January signings well done agent Mac

dont count yer chickens adi....

[Yeats 62]

you really are a wind up merchant. I quite like it tbh!!

But you do have sambas, a tully, staypress, black and white memories of cup wins and a tache??? Could be 4 but wont be 5. Thats my thoughts on the matter lol. I love Dens Im near 50 (71 is JMc not my DO and was a good age to remember the 1,2,3 we won at dens. Doesnt match the doon derby i get ya but boy what a great way to grow up though. Here is my list of away european games:

Lens
Manchester
Barcelona
Monchenglagbach
Gothenburg
Belfast
Athens
Myllykoski



that makes me a part time supporter in our heady days btw

There was sooooooooooooooooooooooooo much more