O/T:- Who needs Parliament?

[jackal2]

"Perfidious" ....... lovely adjective and so true ... especially when describing Bercow.

Anyone who watched the antics the other night when parliament was closed just shows what these yobbos really are. 70 odd grand a year + perks for that sort of behaviour. A wonderful way to demonstrate to the world that us Brits have no class whatsoever, John "I like the sound of my own voice" Bercow is a disgusting example of a self promoting pontificating prat. Stepping down with a million quid pension as soon as he knew the Tories would oppose his parliamentary seat... a big man eh? As said Skatorna ... clear the swamp of these ineffectual tossers ...... but at least Bercow won't get his peerage.

As annoying as John Bercow is, the Conservatives have only got themselves to blame for allowing people like him to attain positions of influence first within the party and then within Parliament over many years. There's no point allowing these fairly poorly disguised imposters into your midst and then complaining when they show their true, self-serving colours. It was predictable and inevitable.

The definition of "broad church" was strained beyond breaking point to allow the likes of Anna Soubry to stand on a Tory ticket, and their subsequent treachery was entirely to be expected. Cameron's A-list was awash with these imposters, which is hardly surprising because Cameron himself was an imposter.

Ironically, the only solace for the Conservatives is that the Labour Party has been just as gullible and just as weakened by its own raft of plastic Socialists. Their process of purging themselves began a considerable time before the Conservatives' equivalent action, but it's fair to say that after the General Election, no matter what precise number of MPs they have, both the Conservative and Labour parties should look more like their old right-wing and left-wing selves than they have for many years.

[countygump]

Even if he was found lying dead in a ditch next week they would insist it was part of his master plan to fool remainers.

I think the big problem in his strategy is getting Tory MPs on side. 50% of them don't like him, 25% love him, and 25% will kiss his arse and pretend they like him if they think it will advance their career. Labour are easy to beat at the moment, but I suspect a lot of Tories, both in Westminster and beyond, don't like the way he is trying to copy his puppet master over the pond.

It's easy to understand how every blow landed on Bojo by the nasty remainers and referendum deniers pushes more leave votes towards the Tories who are in effect, the only credible leave party. He has galvanised the remainers in Parl and actually made them work together, BFP is correct in that but that won't be the case in an election, will it? It's a very high risk strategy that could easily go horribly wrong, but that's typical Bojo, innit.

[seriouspie]

As annoying as John Bercow is, the Conservatives have only got themselves to blame for allowing people like him to attain positions of influence first within the party and then within Parliament over many years. There's no point allowing these fairly poorly disguised imposters into your midst and then complaining when they show their true, self-serving colours. It was predictable and inevitable.

The definition of "broad church" was strained beyond breaking point to allow the likes of Anna Soubry to stand on a Tory ticket, and their subsequent treachery was entirely to be expected. Cameron's A-list was awash with these imposters, which is hardly surprising because Cameron himself was an imposter.

Ironically, the only solace for the Conservatives is that the Labour Party has been just as gullible and just as weakened by its own raft of plastic Socialists. Their process of purging themselves began a considerable time before the Conservatives' equivalent action, but it's fair to say that after the General Election, no matter what precise number of MPs they have, both the Conservative and Labour parties should look more like their old right-wing and left-wing selves than they have for many years.

A fair reply

[bridpie78]

As annoying as John Bercow is, the Conservatives have only got themselves to blame for allowing people like him to attain positions of influence first within the party and then within Parliament over many years. There's no point allowing these fairly poorly disguised imposters into your midst and then complaining when they show their true, self-serving colours. It was predictable and inevitable.

The definition of "broad church" was strained beyond breaking point to allow the likes of Anna Soubry to stand on a Tory ticket, and their subsequent treachery was entirely to be expected. Cameron's A-list was awash with these imposters, which is hardly surprising because Cameron himself was an imposter.

Ironically, the only solace for the Conservatives is that the Labour Party has been just as gullible and just as weakened by its own raft of plastic Socialists. Their process of purging themselves began a considerable time before the Conservatives' equivalent action, but it's fair to say that after the General Election, no matter what precise number of MPs they have, both the Conservative and Labour parties should look more like their old right-wing and left-wing selves than they have for many years.

Agree with all of that, expect normal service to be resumed within 5-10 years

[BigFatPie]

A Corbyn fanboy using the words cognitive dissonance is just gold! you couldn't make it up.

A two sentence post. Well done!

[bridpie78]

A two sentence post. Well done!

A post without swearing and mentioning the royal family. Well done.

[dam617]

A post without swearing and mentioning the royal family. Well done.

He's actually also managed a World Record (so far) for the longest time it's taken Elite to agree with him.

Give it a minute....... he must be having trouble logging back in.

[sidders]

I think people are being very naive about BoJo. He is an incredibly intelligent person who hides behind a bumbling persona. I think he has played the remainers and they have fallen for his trap hook, line and sinker.

I don't believe that Boris Johnson really minds if we leave in October, or December, or March next year for that matter. He knows he cannot deliver in the current climate due of parliament and his own party. This is obvious and he clearly knows. He is preparing for a general election far more than a no deal Brexit on the 31st of October. What he has been able to do is to get rid of some relatively unpopular MP's fairly easily who will vote against him, meaning that any Tory majority will be a true majority come election time. A general election (when it will inevitably come) will allow him to fill those seats with those who support him and win around the full support of his party.

By parliament passing laws regarding pushing no deal brexit back and getting parliament to squirm on an election after calling for one weekly for over a year, Boris has managed to highlight to the British people that remainers are "against" democracy in two ways, they won't respect the referendum result, AND they don't want an election on the matter either - they don't trust the British people to decide (because they know that they will give the Brexiteers a majority). All Boris has to do is to give them every opportunity possible to continue with this course of behaviour and rile up the electorate. The Brexiteers get up and vote, and the remainers either are truly a minority or they just don't bother voting. The "Youth Vote" of the last election was a lie and a fallacy - it swung nothing and if that is the extent of the Youth Quake then they shouldn't be too scared at all. The SNP will do well, but they won't be in parliament by the next election anyway (and why the hell would we want them to be?); the Lib Dems will "gain" ground of frustrated Labour middle class voters and some CUK's and Labour will lose major seats in the North and even more in the south - the stage is set.

If I'm correct, Boris has played it brilliantly. He is shooting up the polls and soon enough as he continues to allow the remainers to be remainers and to "frustrate" his attempts to deliver brexit he will only get more and more popular. There will be a General Election in March or so and between the Conservatives and the Brexit Party they will walk it.

Theres your trap. The left have fallen for it big time. I despise Tony Blair, but he seems to be just about the only one who has seen through it and is calling out Boris's actions as a trap. An election before Brexit is basically a second referendum, but with the remain vote split between SNP, Labour, Greens, Lib Dems and CUK's (lol). There are too many moving parts there to be able to develop any sort of coherent coalition.

If Bozo is so much smarter than we give him credit for on the left, then please account for his performance at PMQ on September 4th. Was that all part of the master plan too? It was quite one of the most shockingly inept performances ever witnessed at the despatch box and actually made Theresa May look like she was an orator and stateswoman by comparison.
I have met many people in my teaching career who have 1st's and 2 i 's at Oxbridge but totally lack nous. Johnson is another.

[bridpie78]

If Bozo is so much smarter than we give him credit for on the left, then please account for his performance at PMQ on September 4th. Was that all part of the master plan too? It was quite one of the most shockingly inept performances ever witnessed at the despatch box and actually made Theresa May look like she was an orator and stateswoman by comparison.
I have met many people in my teaching career who have 1st's and 2 i 's at Oxbridge but totally lack nous. Johnson is another.

Boris isn't running the country right now, he is just the face presented to the nations TV's and cameras , a useful face because his inept bumbing performances that make him look like a badly abused puppy is playing well with the voters.
He isn't daft but he also isn't PM material, he is just the best tool for the job at hand.

I wouldn't expect him to be around long after we leave.

[arnapie]

We won't "leave", this is what our Euro Masters have planned for us

https://twitter.com/i/status/1171824806762876929