O/t Guns, drugs and gangland killings.

[gm_gm]

Yet a few months ago I read Rotherham has the fastest growing economy of any town in Yorkshire and 8th fastest in Britain. The council must be doing something right.

What has the econmy got to do with the council, secondly the town centre doesnt contribute that much its all industrial parks like manvers which is huge, and AMRC which has some good paid jobs. Everything else is min wage

[gm_gm]

Crime from migration is huge with Albanians, Turks and other eastern Europeans.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43823962

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

One from Sheffield, roughly 4 miles from NYS

https://www.thestar.co.uk/news/terri...fies-1-8610152

[great_fire]

The left are completely dishonest, anything that doesn't fit their narrative of migration being beneficial and minorities being victims they try to cover up.

The Tories dumped thousands of Somalis on Sheffield in the early 90s, what benefits did they bring to Sheffield?

They certainly didn't get jobs, over 80% are unemployed.

They went into drug-dealing and are presently fighting the Kurds over drug territory in Darnall.

A lot if not most of the stabbings in Sheffield are done by Somalis, they go round in gangs, rob, rape, stab people, other Africans think they're the worse people in Africa. If you look at Sweden, Germany, Italy they're exactly the same.

Importing serious criminals who commit serious crime, it's idiotic.

[Amanda_Hugg_n_Kiss]

While ever this country imports yet more of the underclass and criminals immigration is going to get blamed for more and more.
Too many seem to be too far on one side or the other and make excuses, fall for fake news etc... not me. I can see the benefits of immigration and also the problems it causes when you don't do tough enough checks. We have enough of our own scumbags and don't need anymore. There's many examples that can be provided, like above with the fish, there's folk catching Swans and the rubbish dumping situation at Eastwood, this kind of scum need educating fast and outing fast if they won't learn. People shouldn't brush tar but they do.
I do realise there's more to everything but it doesn't seem like there was any intention of helping a lot of immigrants, just dumping them in areas, just the ye old make it look like you're doing something but in reality leaving people to rot.

The Government seem to be more interested in causing problems for people who've been here for years.

[great_fire]

Yet we've now got Stephen Lawrence Day to make all white people feel guilty forever for what a handful of thugs did 25 years ago.

The different way in which white British people and minorities is treated now is ridiculous and is going to lead to serious trouble.

Marxist identity politics is both mainstream and incredibly divisive.

[great_fire]

While ever this country imports yet more of the underclass and criminals immigration is going to get blamed for more and more.
Too many seem to be too far on one side or the other and make excuses, fall for fake news etc... not me. I can see the benefits of immigration and also the problems it causes when you don't do tough enough checks. We have enough of our own scumbags and don't need anymore. There's many examples that can be provided, like above with the fish, there's folk catching Swans and the rubbish dumping situation at Eastwood, this kind of scum need educating fast and outing fast if they won't learn. People shouldn't brush tar but they do.
I do realise there's more to everything but it doesn't seem like there was any intention of helping a lot of immigrants, just dumping them in areas, just the ye old make it look like you're doing something but in reality leaving people to rot.

The Government seem to be more interested in causing problems for people who've been here for years.

You notice they didn't put them in the Cotswolds did they?

[millavanilla]

While ever this country imports yet more of the underclass and criminals immigration is going to get blamed for more and more.
Too many seem to be too far on one side or the other and make excuses, fall for fake news etc... not me. I can see the benefits of immigration and also the problems it causes when you don't do tough enough checks. We have enough of our own scumbags and don't need anymore. There's many examples that can be provided, like above with the fish, there's folk catching Swans and the rubbish dumping situation at Eastwood, this kind of scum need educating fast and outing fast if they won't learn. People shouldn't brush tar but they do.
I do realise there's more to everything but it doesn't seem like there was any intention of helping a lot of immigrants, just dumping them in areas, just the ye old make it look like you're doing something but in reality leaving people to rot.

The Government seem to be more interested in causing problems for people who've been here for years.

Amanda, they dump them here and give them money, for free by the way, which wether you like it or not, have paid into..they then take a yard after being given an inch and pinch your bag..( my mates bag was pinched)..we dont have regulations which state how many kids you can have, so they can breed to their hearts content, and its all irreversible..forever..and ever..and ever..and ever..theyre all over the place..for ever...dont you see ?

[great_fire]

It's a Marxist-globalist agenda to create an all-powerful world elite who rule a great mocha-coloured mass of people who's only identity and loyalty is consumerism.

It's the future and it's looking bleak for the majority.

[KerrAvon]

Blimey. IBS would be proud of how far this thread has gone. And I get pulled up by a mod for teasing another poster?

I’ve been involved in crime for the last 31 years with a particular interest in gun and gang crime for the last 3 years or so and will give you my take.

The shape of crime has changed in the last thirty years with that being particularly the case in respect of drug usage.

Cocaine has replaced heroin as the drug of choice for many people who prefer to live in an altered state of reality and I think that has real implications for society. I won’t bore you with my theories of why it should be so, but those involved in trafficking cocaine are often more aggressive and organised in their operations. In addition, even small towns are now seeing the growth of gangs or, worse still are seeing dealers from the larger cities moving in with what are called ‘county line’ operations. Ironically, if the police are successful in taking down a local dealer network it can serve to leave a vacuum into which the bigger and more dangerous operators will move.

There will often be inter-gang conflict in which the guns come out. Someone above suggested that you were relatively safe if you stayed out of the drug trade. That is true to a point, but people can literally get caught in the cross fire or the ‘wrong’ person can be targeted through mistaken identity.

Probably because of the large penalties for gun possession (a five year minimum sentence for many types of gun), the latest development is the growth in the use of acid or ammonia as weapons, which are often used far less discriminatively than guns.

On the question of race and crime, I have seen nothing that persuades me of a clear link. The poorer sections of society are involved in crime far more than the better off. As recent immigrants will often be over represented in the poorer sections of society then, logically, they will necessarily be over represented in the crime statistics.

Thirty years ago, people of Asian ethnicity would rarely be seen in court. In recent years offenders of that ethnicity are appearing much more regularly. I have a British-Pakistani friend who is far more eloquent than I upon why that might be the case. Again, I won't bore you with her theories save to say that she would point to both flaws within the immigrant communities and wider British society.

In the two gang cases in which I have been involved in the last year, it was very striking how multi-cultural they were.

The number of females involved in violent crime seems to have soared in the last thirty years. I don’t know why.

As to why people from the poorer sectors of society are overrepresented as criminals, I think the answer may be far more complicated and nuanced than it might seem at the first glance. Not having very much can certainly make people feel resentful and alienated and, through that render them vulnerable to being drawn into acquisitive crime. At the same time, however, perhaps some people are in the poorer sectors of society because of lower levels of educational attainment, which in turn could be driven by growing up within a poor and dysfunctional home life? Who can say?

As for the argument about the legalisation of drugs, I would simply say that the war on drugs has been fought and largely lost; cannabis use is pretty much endemic and cocaine is seen as being far less damaging and socially acceptable than heroin. One drug gang of which I am aware specialised in dealing to students and I often wondered what those nice educated customers would think if they knew about the violence that underpinned the organisation that was providing for their Friday night pick-me-up. Perhaps they wouldn’t care.

The consequnces of Prohibition in 1920s America demonstrates how criminalising the use of a popular drug (in that case alcohol) serves to drive crime.

On the question of punishment it is suggested above that British Courts are soft. I have not looked up the figures for a while, but it certainly used to be the case that we send more of our population to prison than any other European country except Belarus.

I’m struggling to care about people eating fish caught in the River Don.