O/T Priti Patel

[i961pie]

Well done for beating me to the draw, i961. I was busy leading my life at the time. You speak of the FAR left which shows me just how influenced you are by the media climate you live in.
Myself, I get labelled on here as 'far left', which is plain ridiculous. I am moderate left. Far left does not believe in mixed market capitalism and is prepared to sacrifice democracy when it suits them. I am not a huge fan of Labour at the moment but the only far left element is made up of certain union connections. Nor am I a Corbyn fan, but I do think McDonnell is strong. He was running the City of London budget for Livingstone and made a fair hand of it. Because he can appear stern, people mistake this for extremism. He gives more straight answers than most.
I also believe Starmer knows his stuff. There are other good uns and far fewer bad apples than the current Tory crop.
The Maybot can survive the losses of Phallus and Pretty Pathetic but lose Bozo and Green and she's surely a goner.

Part of me hopes Corbyn gets in then just to see your reaction when it goes tits up, I am neither a tory or labour fanatic but you have far more confidence in him and McDonnell than I do. If you think the pound is low now because of brexit wait till you see what happens to it if labour get in under their present leadership.

[sidders]

Part of me hopes Corbyn gets in then just to see your reaction when it goes tits up, I am neither a tory or labour fanatic but you have far more confidence in him and McDonnell than I do. If you think the pound is low now because of brexit wait till you see what happens to it if labour get in under their present leadership.

Adjacent to a post where I tell you I'm not a Corbyn fan, you imply that I have full confidence in him. Duh!
A run on the pound due to a Labour government will have no bearing on their performance. It will be a result of greedy capitalists wanting to destabilise a socialist government. You surely see that.
So McDonnell says he has a plan in place for that occurrence and gets slagged off because it shows he has no confidence in Labour's capabilities.
And even a Tory like you (neither Tory nor Labour fanatic, my arse) must admit that they'd have to go some to beat the level of confidence inspired by the Bash Street Gang currently 'in charge'.
Mind, I do think Penny Mordaunt is a bit of a babe and she has good Labour pedigree in her family line.

[seriouspie]

You don't talk like Mr Hunt Sidney ........ you talk like his alter ego.

Naturally the capitalists will withdraw their cash if Corbyn and his crew ever got in. You don't create wealth for both the country and yourself and then see it taken away by a bunch of Ignoramus's who haven't a clue about handling cash. Yes the great McDonnell ........ good English patriot and IRA lover. Another flat voiced expressionless faced tw@t in the same mould as those other two members of the LW Intelligentsia ......... Paul Mason and his pal, the queer cry baby .. Owen Jones.

[sidders]

You don't talk like Mr Hunt Sidney ........ you talk like his alter ego.

Naturally the capitalists will withdraw their cash if Corbyn and his crew ever got in. You don't create wealth for both the country and yourself and then see it taken away by a bunch of Ignoramus's who haven't a clue about handling cash. Yes the great McDonnell ........ good English patriot and IRA lover. Another flat voiced expressionless faced tw@t in the same mould as those other two members of the LW Intelligentsia ......... Paul Mason and his pal, the queer cry baby .. Owen Jones.

To call Owen or Paul expressionless invalidates anything else you have to say. They may be right, they may be wrong, but expressionless they certainly aren't.

[JoePass]

To call Owen or Paul expressionless invalidates anything else you have to say. They may be right, they may be wrong, but expressionless they certainly aren't.

Owen Jones, all that is wrong with journalism, if he doesn’t get his point over ( on Sky TV) he runs away like a big Jesse.

[seriouspie]

Owen Jones, all that is wrong with journalism, if he doesn’t get his point over ( on Sky TV) he runs away like a big Jesse.

Yes Joe. Plenty of spouting about anything anti Conservative ... but when challenged firmly, pouts and sulks like a spoilt schoolgirl and as you say starts whimpering and skulks away. You know what I would have liked to see? It would be this effeminate object on a one to one televised debate with either Jim Davidson or better still the late Bernard Manning! He would certainly have needed some pantie liners eh?

[them0uf]

Thought I would get in before Sid.
Do you think it was easier to get rid of her than it would be to get rid of Boris or Hammond who are both liabilities?

To answer the question: yes, it was easier to get rid of her. She clearly did wrong and the sacking could be positioned as being right as a matter of fact rather than opinion. Patel hints that she will make a lot of noise from the back benches but she makes a lot of noise anyway.

Not sure about Hammond but he needs to knuckle down. She can't get rid of Johnson no matter how much he deserves it. Her enemies will use him as a point to gather around, although by all accounts he is rather less well regarded in the party at large than we are led to believe. Would still make a nuisance of himself though. All things equal she probably should get rid. He's a campaigner and a schemer rather than a serious politician. He's just not prepared to do the hard graft, get a grip on his brief, and stop trying to be funny (which he can be) when it's not appropriate (which it usually isn't). And whilst Foreign Secretaries gain respect from other countries from having firm views they gain a lot more from not being actively disliked. In short, his studied tw@tishness has become a liability.

Sid, I disagree on McDonnell. I think he's incredibly able but fundamentally evil and dangerous. Corbyn is an intellectual pigmy and an apparently nice bloke (which I've had confirmed by people who know him but don't agree with him), but he has failed to rein in the complete and utter b@st@rds and lunatics in the party. I regard myself as being on the moderate left (I support the renationalisation of some of the utilities primarily because they have stopped doing good for our country) but if it came to a choice between May, Corbyn, and dying I might have to wish my family well and choose a few songs.

[SmiffyPie]

Well done for beating me to the draw, i961. I was busy leading my life at the time. You speak of the FAR left which shows me just how influenced you are by the media climate you live in.
Myself, I get labelled on here as 'far left', which is plain ridiculous. I am moderate left. Far left does not believe in mixed market capitalism and is prepared to sacrifice democracy when it suits them. I am not a huge fan of Labour at the moment but the only far left element is made up of certain union connections. Nor am I a Corbyn fan, but I do think McDonnell is strong. He was running the City of London budget for Livingstone and made a fair hand of it. Because he can appear stern, people mistake this for extremism. He gives more straight answers than most.
I also believe Starmer knows his stuff. There are other good uns and far fewer bad apples than the current Tory crop.
The Maybot can survive the losses of Phallus and Pretty Pathetic but lose Bozo and Green and she's surely a goner.

McDonnell is an obnoxious arse as is anyone who encourages insurrection as a legitimate means of changing the government. His financial achievements are also questionable.... "As chair of Greater London Council’s finance committee in the early 1980s, McDonnell’s plan to set an illegal budget, plunging the capital into Liverpool-like financial chaos, was only halted because he was sacked."
The once great Labour Party is being removed from the moderate voters and being placed under the control of people that would willingly ruin this country simply to impose their ideology.

[Elite_Pie]

The once great Labour Party is being removed from the moderate voters.

Not so sure on that one. As long as Theresa May leads the Tories, the Labour party will only grow in credibility.

[BigFatPie]

The historically odious Tory Party is being removed from the moderate voters and being placed under the control of people that would willingly ruin this country simply to impose their ideology.

Fixed that for you.