Scotland was lied too.

[stewarty27]

The posters on here who bang on about 'wastemonster, MSM' etc etc and continually quote wingsoversomerset, business for Scotland and the national as sources of information, do the independence argument no favours at all.

I just cannot take them seriously.

Salmond wanted independence....but wanted the economy to be tied to RUK? Some independence.

When the oil price crashed 'it was just a bonus anyway'? The SNP will say and do ANYTHING that might get independence and will contemplate nothing else, even if it's not in the best interests of Scotland.

No free debate and opinions are allowed in the SNP, it's a dictatorship.

They want independence...but want to be tied to the EU?

If the independence brigade on here started looking at the SNP's record in governing Scotland I'd have some respect for them. Everything is not 'wastemonster's' fault.

So where do you get your info from Noah ?? The Daily Mail ? Expres? BBC ? The Tories and the British establishment ? have you ever once considered it may be them that's bullsh1ting you ? or do you think they are tell you the undeniable truth !! ?. you totally rubbish any alternative view but are happy to take the Daily Mail et al seriously !!!


The Yes/Indy movement are NOT the SNP although the SNP are the driving force. Your blind hatred for one political party had totally closed your mind. You can still hate the SNP and want Independence its OK !! there are thousands in that position

The Yes side did over concentrate on Oil in the last referendum. When they should have promoted Scotlands diversity which is on a par with rUK when oil/gas is excluded. So looking it like that Oil and Gas is indeed something extra.

What ever you think of the SNP record in its governance of Scotland it seems the people trust them or they would not have elected them for the last nine years. And they have done this with very limited powers we sent 56 MPs to WM. Again it seems obvious your problem lies with the SNP and not Independence per say. Please remember the SNP are only viable the vehicle to get us there a means to an end.

The UKs main argument is we are really not equipped in any way to go it alone thats a feckin insult to you and me Noah and the people of Scotland !

And finally do you really think its in Scotlands best interests to be ruled by another country with a totally different set of values and priorities ? Or perhaps we're really too stupid and wee and so feckin usless to look after ourselves. I don't and never will accept that.

[spameater1]

So where do you get your info from Noah ?? The Daily Mail ? Expres? BBC ? The Tories and the British establishment ? have you ever once considered it may be them that's bullsh1ting you ? or do you think they are tell you the undeniable truth !! ?. you totally rubbish any alternative view but are happy to take the Daily Mail et al seriously !!!


The Yes/Indy movement are NOT the SNP although the SNP are the driving force. Your blind hatred for one political party had totally closed your mind. You can still hate the SNP and want Independence its OK !! there are thousands in that position

The Yes side did over concentrate on Oil in the last referendum. When they should have promoted Scotlands diversity which is on a par with rUK when oil/gas is excluded. So looking it like that Oil and Gas is indeed something extra.

What ever you think of the SNP record in its governance of Scotland it seems the people trust them or they would not have elected them for the last nine years. And they have done this with very limited powers we sent 56 MPs to WM. Again it seems obvious your problem lies with the SNP and not Independence per say. Please remember the SNP are only viable the vehicle to get us there a means to an end.

The UKs main argument is we are really not equipped in any way to go it alone thats a feckin insult to you and me Noah and the people of Scotland !

And finally do you really think its in Scotlands best interests to be ruled by another country with a totally different set of values and priorities ? Or perhaps we're really too stupid and wee and so feckin usless to look after ourselves. I don't and never will accept that.

Too true Stewarty,Most of the Independence supporters I know don't think everything the S.N.P do is wonderful,they done some good things and some not so good things.As for blaming Wastemonster for everything just listened to Theresa May's speech she made at the Tory Conference and if she actually delivers what she says she is going to do I'll be the first to take my hat off to her,but can she really take on the big Companies who at the end of the day put zillions in to the Tory Party I have my doubts.See Noah,we don't all play follow my leader.Stereotyping all Independence supporters is like blaming all comedians for Michael McIntyre.

[JackSnakes]

Too true Stewarty,Most of the Independence supporters I know don't think everything the S.N.P do is wonderful,they done some good things and some not so good things.As for blaming Wastemonster for everything just listened to Theresa May's speech she made at the Tory Conference and if she actually delivers what she says she is going to do I'll be the first to take my hat off to her,but can she really take on the big Companies who at the end of the day put zillions in to the Tory Party I have my doubts.See Noah,we don't all play follow my leader.Stereotyping all Independence supporters is like blaming all comedians for Michael McIntyre.

I like Michael McIntyre...and that Geordie lassie, whatever her name is - although I confess I fail to see what is funny about Monty Python - but I thought the Life of Brian was hysterical. I also fail to see why hanging on to England's coat-tails, given the fact that the English themselves are derisory about our desperation to live in their shadow as some snottery nosed beggar with our grasping paws held out, is seen as a better alternative than running your own show. Lessons should be learned by both camps from the 'Brexit' vote, where the English WERE brave enough to ignore the dire financial warnings and took their sovereignty back. It would seem that much (although definitely not all) of the doom and gloom predictions were premature. Was anyone hand-wringing about how poor Britain would be able to survive if it was forced to govern itself? No. The very idea would have been seen as ludicrous.
Why, then, should a resource-rich nation like Scotland be forever compelled to rely on others to make her decisions for her - to have no voice - to be eternally looking in with her nose pressed up against the sweetie shop window?

[noahrab]

I like Michael McIntyre...and that Geordie lassie, whatever her name is - although I confess I fail to see what is funny about Monty Python - but I thought the Life of Brian was hysterical. I also fail to see why hanging on to England's coat-tails, given the fact that the English themselves are derisory about our desperation to live in their shadow as some snottery nosed beggar with our grasping paws held out, is seen as a better alternative than running your own show. Lessons should be learned by both camps from the 'Brexit' vote, where the English WERE brave enough to ignore the dire financial warnings and took their sovereignty back. It would seem that much (although definitely not all) of the doom and gloom predictions were premature. Was anyone hand-wringing about how poor Britain would be able to survive if it was forced to govern itself? No. The very idea would have been seen as ludicrous.
Why, then, should a resource-rich nation like Scotland be forever compelled to rely on others to make her decisions for her - to have no voice - to be eternally looking in with her nose pressed up against the sweetie shop window?

Why do you talk Scotland down?

I have a great life and have never considered myself to be looking in at anything.

[JackSnakes]

Why do you talk Scotland down?

I have a great life and have never considered myself to be looking in at anything.

Why do I talk Scotland down... hmm... It isn't a case of talking anything down, it is simply the truth. When you are 10% of something, and the other 90% don't agree, then you are screwed. Scotland has no voice. Her 56 MP's have no influence over anything and may as well not bother turning up. I have lived in England now for 30 years. The picture painted of the English by some nationalists is small-minded petty jealousy and they all need a good slap, but that is another story... They have little or no animosity towards Scotland or the Scots and many are genuinely bemused that Scotland should ever want to leave - but make no mistake - Scotland is viewed as a benefactor of England's generosity - (not Britain's - although to many here England and Britain are the same...).
I am sure your life is wonderful. My son also has a wonderful life - he's 17 and in 6th form at school. He pays no rent, has a part-time job earning a few hundred a month, and gets a hundred pocket money as well. He gets his holidays paid for and when away with us gets his meals and trips all paid for. He contributes nothing to the household and is permanently subsidised. He will probably be gone in a year or two. We would rather he stayed but understand why he will wish to leave - although we do expect to subsidise him even after he has gone...
I love Scotland - am forever telling everyone how wonderful (most of) it is, and I would not wish my compatriots to suffer any kind of financial hardship - but I would be willing to take a bit of a hit to exchange Scotland's current perceived dependency for some pride.

[noahrab]

Why do I talk Scotland down... hmm... It isn't a case of talking anything down, it is simply the truth. When you are 10% of something, and the other 90% don't agree, then you are screwed. Scotland has no voice. Her 56 MP's have no influence over anything and may as well not bother turning up. I have lived in England now for 30 years. The picture painted of the English by some nationalists is small-minded petty jealousy and they all need a good slap, but that is another story... They have little or no animosity towards Scotland or the Scots and many are genuinely bemused that Scotland should ever want to leave - but make no mistake - Scotland is viewed as a benefactor of England's generosity - (not Britain's - although to many here England and Britain are the same...).
I am sure your life is wonderful. My son also has a wonderful life - he's 17 and in 6th form at school. He pays no rent, has a part-time job earning a few hundred a month, and gets a hundred pocket money as well. He gets his holidays paid for and when away with us gets his meals and trips all paid for. He contributes nothing to the household and is permanently subsidised. He will probably be gone in a year or two. We would rather he stayed but understand why he will wish to leave - although we do expect to subsidise him even after he has gone...
I love Scotland - am forever telling everyone how wonderful (most of) it is, and I would not wish my compatriots to suffer any kind of financial hardship - but I would be willing to take a bit of a hit to exchange Scotland's current perceived dependency for some pride.

Voting an SNP MP into Westminster is a wasted vote as they have no influence and can't make a difference for Scotland.

Voting 56 Labour or God forbid 56 Tories MPs, would.

[JackSnakes]

Voting an SNP MP into Westminster is a wasted vote as they have no influence and can't make a difference for Scotland.

Voting 56 Labour or God forbid 56 Tories MPs, would.

I would not care to comment on how much influence the Scottish 'branches' of the big two parties have on their greater membership, but I can say with some certainty that anything that is detrimental in any way to England would not fly regardless of which party put it forward...

[stewarty27]

Voting an SNP MP into Westminster is a wasted vote as they have no influence and can't make a difference for Scotland.

Voting 56 Labour or God forbid 56 Tories MPs, would.

You and your no voting ilk have probably condemned us to 20 years Tory rule, But hey ho no worries to you paddy you'd rather have 100 years Tory rule than us rule ourselves. The SNP have done more for Scotland in the last 8 years than Labour have done in 50 !! Your a disgrace min !

[noahrab]

Too true Stewarty,Most of the Independence supporters I know don't think everything the S.N.P do is wonderful,they done some good things and some not so good things.As for blaming Wastemonster for everything just listened to Theresa May's speech she made at the Tory Conference and if she actually delivers what she says she is going to do I'll be the first to take my hat off to her,but can she really take on the big Companies who at the end of the day put zillions in to the Tory Party I have my doubts.See Noah,we don't all play follow my leader.Stereotyping all Independence supporters is like blaming all comedians for Michael McIntyre.

Yet to see any of you c**** even mildly criticise the Scottish government.....plenty of wastemonster though.

[spameater1]

Yet to see any of you c**** even mildly criticise the Scottish government.....plenty of wastemonster though.

You're starting to sound like a broken record,did you not read the bit where I said the S.N.P have done some not so good things?Anyway what about Jack's point about the Brexit voters not listening to the scaremongering from the Remain camp.Theresa May hasn't a Scooby what's happening next but we don't hear any negative comments from you about that.