Does anybody think Raymond should stay ?

[USArab]

Hands up, I wasn't at the game yesterday (on the way to Cyprus) so this opinion is certainly tainted but, I am still behind Ray. It's far too early in the season to judge in my opinion, this is a new team the manager has put together and it's going to take some to get them playing.

I totally understand the frustration and can see folks viewpoint but I think it'd be totally counter productive to change management at this stage.

As above, too early to judge for all sorts of reasons.

[arab_plumber]

That's where I am, yesterday isn't acceptable for DUFC, we know what Dumbarton are like so start with two upfront and go for them and don't mess about and gift then an early lead to hold onto then only come alive in the second half, the only saving grace from yesterday is not actually losing and results kinda half going for us

My worry about changing manager early is that you are kind of giving up on promotion (certainly automatic), a new man isn't going to come in and win us the league this season imo, can Ray? Not unless he changes things asap

Absolute nonsense Shedka a proper manager would have this shambles turned around in 3/4 weeks and we'd hardly be miles off the pace by then anyway.

Ray has been a poor manager from start to finish and only the head in the sand brigade couldn't see it ,he promised we'd be at it yesterday after two weeks to work things out......

Ray talks a lot but never accepts his own massive short comings ,the buck stops with him and the reason we're struggling is his dire tactics and incredible team selections

[shedka]

Not rubbish at all, if we change manager we definitely won't be getting promoted automatically this season imo, first of all its no guarantee we will get someone where it will work out and that will do better

Still a wee bit early for giving Ray the boot aftet 5 games but things need to improve in the next few league games or it will become inevitable, I like Ray so really hope he can get us some wins in the next run of games

[shedka]

Also don't think you can blame McKinnon for our players gifting them that early goal, players have to take responsibility there, was nothing to do with shape or tactics, made the game much more difficult than it had to be

[offshore_arab83]

Not rubbish at all, if we change manager we definitely won't be getting promoted automatically this season imo, first of all its no guarantee we will get someone where it will work out and that will do better

Disagree shedka, that was brutal again yesterday, surely a new manager can improve with the players we have and the players we have should be enough to win the league

[shedka]

We definitely won't be getting automatic promotion with a managerial change imo, that's why think it could be a negative thing to do at this stage so early when he doesn't really deserve the sack (yet), not this early when a couple results in the coming weeks could see things turn around

[arab_plumber]

We definitely won't be getting automatic promotion with a managerial change imo, that's why think it could be a negative thing to do at this stage so early when he doesn't really deserve the sack (yet), not this early when a couple results in the coming weeks could see things turn around

You're mental if you believe that

We'd still be top by Xmas if we got the right man in,this league is pish

[TerryTheTerror]

We'd still be top by Xmas if we got the right man in...

And there's the rub. What are the chances, given our board's recent record?

[tHeArAb]

Bafling that anyone thinks we DEFINITELY wont win the league with a managerial change. Jesus christ man. McKinnon is ****ing clueless. With the players we have we could walk this league with the right man in charge who installs the right mentality into these players. These players will be walking around thinking the same as what McKinnon is saying...'ach we'll improve, were a new team, it'll take time, we'll get better'. All this ****e comes from the manager and his players will be walking around with the same mentality. Get him to **** and get a Levein type in who will have these players giving a helluva lot more than what they are currently giving. There is a weak mentality about these players and that comes from one man.

[shedboy71]

Absolute nonsense Shedka a proper manager would have this shambles turned around in 3/4 weeks and we'd hardly be miles off the pace by then anyway.

Ray has been a poor manager from start to finish and only the head in the sand brigade couldn't see it ,he promised we'd be at it yesterday after two weeks to work things out......

Ray talks a lot but never accepts his own massive short comings ,the buck stops with him and the reason we're struggling is his dire tactics and incredible team selections

Agree 100% here