OT - Donald Trump's Big Red 'Button'

[tarquinbeech]

Trump's greatest defence against any move to impeach is to continue with the tactic he's used against the media and the political establishment to get him where he is now. Basically, the line is, "The media/political establishment would try do that, or say that, wouldn't they? They all p*ss in the same pot and they hate me and want to get rid of me any way possible, because I'm standing up for ordinary Americans and threatening the establishment's cushy status quo."

And it could work. It's very much along the lines of the "Question More" tactic/slogan openly employed by the 'Russia Today/RT' media outlet. Essentially, get people (in the West) to distrust absolutely everything and everyone they have ever regarded as true or legitimate, and then exploit the uncertainty.

What I find most frustrating about the whole Trump circus, is that it is difficult to get the real facts....the MSM, similar to several posters on here, clearly think he is unstable, dangerous and crazy and take every opportunity to prove their case....however, he is actually pushing through several of his policies, the US stockmarket is booming, the US jobs market is continually adding new jobs etc etc.....quite simply, he is actually getting stuff done.

Now, before the Usual Suspects jump on my case and label me as "uninformed", I have clearly stated that I am not a huge fan of Trump, but I know several US citizens from my time in Tennessee that think he is brilliant, tax cuts, no amendments to their gun rights, snubbing his nose at the MSM, the proposed Mexican wall and banning Muslims from the countries on his "danger list"....this is what they voted for and like it or not, he is slowly delivering.

Do not underestimate the power of the "silent majority"....the more that Trump is publicly ridiculed, the more these people see it as a conspiracy and the more determined they become......a second term is highly likely

[drillerpie]

What I find most frustrating about the whole Trump circus, is that it is difficult to get the real facts....the MSM, similar to several posters on here, clearly think he is unstable, dangerous and crazy and take every opportunity to prove their case....however, he is actually pushing through several of his policies, the US stockmarket is booming, the US jobs market is continually adding new jobs etc etc.....quite simply, he is actually getting stuff done.

Now, before the Usual Suspects jump on my case and label me as "uninformed", I have clearly stated that I am not a huge fan of Trump, but I know several US citizens from my time in Tennessee that think he is brilliant, tax cuts, no amendments to their gun rights, snubbing his nose at the MSM, the proposed Mexican wall and banning Muslims from the countries on his "danger list"....this is what they voted for and like it or not, he is slowly delivering.

Do not underestimate the power of the "silent majority"....the more that Trump is publicly ridiculed, the more these people see it as a conspiracy and the more determined they become......a second term is highly likely

I wouldn't describe them as silent, and they're certainly not a majority (I think it's around 11 million more Americans voted for other candidates rather than for him).

Hard to criticise the MSM when you're in a Faustian pact with Fox News, but Murdoch will no doubt keep brainwashing them that they're at more risk from the insidious Muslim than lack of gun control as long as Trump keeps the tax cuts coming.

I personally think he'll be gone before the end of the four years.

[jackal2]

What I find most frustrating about the whole Trump circus, is that it is difficult to get the real facts....the MSM, similar to several posters on here, clearly think he is unstable, dangerous and crazy and take every opportunity to prove their case....however, he is actually pushing through several of his policies, the US stockmarket is booming, the US jobs market is continually adding new jobs etc etc.....quite simply, he is actually getting stuff done.

Now, before the Usual Suspects jump on my case and label me as "uninformed", I have clearly stated that I am not a huge fan of Trump, but I know several US citizens from my time in Tennessee that think he is brilliant, tax cuts, no amendments to their gun rights, snubbing his nose at the MSM, the proposed Mexican wall and banning Muslims from the countries on his "danger list"....this is what they voted for and like it or not, he is slowly delivering.

Do not underestimate the power of the "silent majority"....the more that Trump is publicly ridiculed, the more these people see it as a conspiracy and the more determined they become......a second term is highly likely

Coincidentally enough, I was talking to somebody yesterday who has family in Tennessee and they said those relatives are very pro-Trump. Parts of America are very far removed from the kind of messaging we get, and they see things very differently. Like you, I'm not here to defend Donald Trump or take sides on where America should go next. I have no more taste for telling America how it should conduct its affairs than I have for other America (or any other country) telling us how we should act or vote.

One observation I would make is that the US politicians and media commentators dismissing Trump simply as an idiot or a moron are, broadly speaking, the same ones he has managed to overcome in order to win the Presidency. From a standing start (in political experience terms) and a position as rank outsider even in the Republican Primaries, Trump beat off a whole range of candidates with far more experience, not to mention a lot of hostile media, so it's somewhat incongruous for those people to dismiss his intelligence, sanity and political abilities. The first aim of the game in politics is to capture public minds, win votes and win high office, so Trump is well-placed to ask his critics the question, "If I'm an idiot, what does that make you?". Likewise, it's ridiculous to dismiss him as a "loser", because the fact is, he won!

It's an entirely legitimate position to say you don't like Trump's politics, tactics, personality and Presidential style, and even to think he's downright dangerous, but to glibly write him off as a fool, or a madman, is to disregard what he has already achieved.

[tarquinbeech]

I wouldn't describe them as silent, and they're certainly not a majority (I think it's around 11 million more Americans voted for other candidates rather than for him).

Hard to criticise the MSM when you're in a Faustian pact with Fox News, but Murdoch will no doubt keep brainwashing them that they're at more risk from the insidious Muslim than lack of gun control as long as Trump keeps the tax cuts coming.

I personally think he'll be gone before the end of the four years.

The term "silent majority" refers to the electorate that do not vocally express their views, attend rallies or demonstrate, nothing to do with the numbers of people that vote for either candidate....the more that the left~wing Socialists try to express their outrage on forums, call for their "days of rage", scream about Russian interference....the more silly they look IMO....it is similar to the Remoaners blaming anything and everything on Brexit, whilst the Tories quite simply get on with the job of carrying out the wishes of the electorate in extricating ourselves from the failed experiment of a Socialist European Empire.

Trump was elected to run his country for 4 years and he is getting on with the job of carrying out his election promises....no amount of screaming and yelling from a few lefties on here or in the MSM in general will alter that.....I suggest that Andy, Sid and a few others save their energy and wait until they have something tangible to shoot him down for....note that I did not even enter this debate until post 60, because like the whole Brexit debate, the votes have been counted, the result announced and no amount of rhetoric from a few sad losers encased in their own echo~chamber will alter that fact.

Personally I could not give a toss who runs the USA as long as I do not get vapourised in a nuclear strike, it is just funny reading the comments of the same group of people on here sat around in a communal circle~jerk commiserating each other on how they can have gotten public opinion so badly wrong....again.

[andy6025]

How do you like his statement about needing a bit of global warming right now, tarkers?

Or should i wait for something more tangible to shoot him down on?

[JoePass]

How do you like his statement about needing a bit of global warming right now, tarkers?

Or should i wait for something more tangible to shoot him down on?

I could do with a bit of global warming now.

[BigFatPie]

How do you like his statement about needing a bit of global warming right now, tarkers?

Or should i wait for something more tangible to shoot him down on?

Who gives a monkeys about potentially catastrophic climate change when you have a like minded white supremacist as President?

[drillerpie]

The term "silent majority" refers to the electorate that do not vocally express their views, attend rallies or demonstrate, nothing to do with the numbers of people that vote for either candidate....the more that the left~wing Socialists try to express their outrage on forums, call for their "days of rage", scream about Russian interference....the more silly they look IMO....it is similar to the Remoaners blaming anything and everything on Brexit, whilst the Tories quite simply get on with the job of carrying out the wishes of the electorate in extricating ourselves from the failed experiment of a Socialist European Empire.

Trump was elected to run his country for 4 years and he is getting on with the job of carrying out his election promises....no amount of screaming and yelling from a few lefties on here or in the MSM in general will alter that.....I suggest that Andy, Sid and a few others save their energy and wait until they have something tangible to shoot him down for....note that I did not even enter this debate until post 60, because like the whole Brexit debate, the votes have been counted, the result announced and no amount of rhetoric from a few sad losers encased in their own echo~chamber will alter that fact.

Personally I could not give a toss who runs the USA as long as I do not get vapourised in a nuclear strike, it is just funny reading the comments of the same group of people on here sat around in a communal circle~jerk commiserating each other on how they can have gotten public opinion so badly wrong....again.

If that's your definition of silent majority, that it can actually be a minority, I suppose all candidates have them as fewer people go to rallies than vote for all candidates. I think all candidates had rallies and Trump's were quite vocal, violent in fact, usually incited by the man himself. Trump liked them so much he still has them as president, its what he does best and they make him feel good I suppose.

You do care who runs the US because you have already said on here that you prioritised his anti Muslim stance against his relaxing of environmental regulations as you thought it was more important. You also care strongly about who runs France, Italy, Germany, Austria or anywhere else there's a right-wing anti Muslim party running, unless your computer was taken by an imposter who started and contributed to numerous threads on these topics. Bizarre that you should say you don't care, maybe you just thought it sounded good when Jackal said it and wanted to copy him.

Not sure how me and others agreeing that we don't like Trump is a circle jerk while you and your friends agreeing about other issues is somehow more noble, but I'm sure you'll explain in due course.

[jackal2]

The term "silent majority" refers to the electorate that do not vocally express their views, attend rallies or demonstrate, nothing to do with the numbers of people that vote for either candidate....the more that the left~wing Socialists try to express their outrage on forums, call for their "days of rage", scream about Russian interference....the more silly they look IMO....it is similar to the Remoaners blaming anything and everything on Brexit, whilst the Tories quite simply get on with the job of carrying out the wishes of the electorate in extricating ourselves from the failed experiment of a Socialist European Empire.

I certainly understand the point you're making.

When you watch a lot of the TV news broadcasts, and even light entertainment programmes such as comedy here in the UK, there is a certain political tone which is presented as if it is without doubt the predominant view in the country and people are generally in agreement with it. Certainly that was the case prior to the Brexit vote, where the overriding presumption in the months leading up to the vote was that the country would ultimately vote to 'Remain'. It was also broadly 'accepted' here that Donald Trump would not win the US Presidency. In fact, if you watched the result night broadcasts for both of these events on pretty much any UK news channel, the studio discussions for the first four hours or so pretty much maintained this assumption, with all the talk being about how the 'Leave' or Republican camps would respond to their inevitable defeat. Meanwhile, the vote totals at the bottom of the screen were telling an entirely different story to anybody who bothered to raise their head and look!

Later in the night, when it became apparent that both results had gone very differently to what was 'expected', you then got the next phenomenon of those who felt their view was shared by everyone reacting with complete shock and incredulity. They simply could not process in their minds the fact that, in reality, the "silent majority" you mention had been thinking something different all along. By the next day, you then saw on Twitter (for example) a reaction you could only describe as a temper tantrum from these folk, lambasting the nation for having the temerity to think something different to them. The shock was palpably genuine, because these chattering classes and tweeting classes spend their entire time effectively talking to themselves and reassuring each other that everyone thinks like they do!

Meanwhile, in the real world (and especially north of Watford or in Rust Belt America!), the average man/woman in the street looked at the Brexit or Presidential result and thought, well, we did tell you what we thought all along, but nobody seemed to be listening!

[tarquinbeech]

How do you like his statement about needing a bit of global warming right now, tarkers?

Or should i wait for something more tangible to shoot him down on?

Trump is certainly not the most intelligent person on the planet, Andy.......however, he is cleverly appealing to the Americans who are freezing their arses off and do not understand Climate Change.....the fact that these sub~zero temperatures have "escaped" the Polar Vortex BECAUSE of a huge change in Anthroprogenic weather patterns is immaterial.

I am not defending him, I am merely pointing out that he might be a lot smarter than his detractors are making out.....that makes him dangerous....he knows how to appeal to the masses, the more that the MSM scream "idiot" the more he screams "fake news"

The Socialists need to fight him on facts...not his personality.....the latest book scandal is a prime example, a lot of fuss and hoo~ha from a sleazy novelist revealing what exactly?.....that he was gobsmacked at winning the election and his trophy wife has her own bedroom?......so what?....what has that got to do with jobs and taxes or a nuclear war.....nothing....it is pathetic journalism IMO