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    Quote Originally Posted by millertop View Post
    You must work for council and his one of them that like the freebie lunches.

    I’m not making damning statement, I was the one who had to get rid of the stuff (they said just skip it) which there was nothing wrong with, I got in touch with our clubs community staff and asked who would benefit from it all.

    I’ve gave them evidence and address of fly tipping which they have yet to act on.

    Why are you getting so upset just because of a thread about litter WHICH is a problem ? What’s more laughable is that I have a skip near to where the rubbish was dumped and ive told them I have no problem (the council authorities who are looking into it and have been for a few weeks apparently by the same van that’s been doing the dumping all over Rotherham) in them putting it in there. Why I even bother is beyond me.

    Your tax gone up, you paying extra for garden waste? Are you prepared to pay extra?

    I don't work for the council. I'm from London but live in London. My sister however works as a senior community liaison with the council and we often talk about some of the RMBC posts on here. All my family work for other public services in Rotherham and Sheffield and the stretching of public services and the impact on how well they can provide services to the public is a constant source of frustration and discussion. She can be quite critical of the council too but is fully informed and puts things into perspective.

    So I assure you that I am not 'upset', I am putting an opposite point of argument to yours and others on here that are complaining about RMBC services and suggesting that whilst I agree with you that there are is some waste and some terrible decisions which you have experienced, I think it is plain unfair to say that there are substantial savings to be made so as to pay for large scale service increases in waste disposal. The overall big report I linked to yesterday discusses the councils spending decisions and rationale and the council invites both feedback on last year's spending as well as suggestions for how local people would like their money to be directed next year. Have you personally communicated with them about how you think your money should be spent?

    Getting back to litter, it's good that you actively reported the fly tipping. We have similar problems here in Redbridge. However, likewise, our council are slow to act and have spoken to them on the phone about substantial waste that was left in some green land from some travelers I think. It is logged and is down on the list of environmental priorities but there is simply no one available to go out and remove it at the moment.

    Interestingly you mention the fact that you now have to pay for garden waste. We had the same thing happen last spring, our council trying to claw some money back from central cuts to their funding by passing it on to us. I remember moaning to my conservative voting pal up North who retorted why should the people without gardens pay for my garden waste. I actually couldn't argue with that, and am in agreement in principle with councils extracting and directing money to the people who mainly use the services. BUT, having done this, the council then experienced meltdown at their local waste disposal site with loads of people driving their waste in and being stuck in hours worth of queues! So now they have gone back to the free service again... Good luck to RMBC on this one!

    In short, I guess I come at the problem of councils providing services with a large degree of sympathy. Some obviously will be better than others and I'd love to read any articles that could be posted from posters that think any council has got it right in serving their community. Of course they should be criticised, and your experience with them is frustrating and annoying. But at the same time, others are peddling lies and untruths about the council saying things like RMBC are the only council not to recycle plastic etc, and unfounded claims that we have a greater problem with waste than other towns of similar demographic. I'm sorry but there is no evidence of this, no one can present this evidence, so I won't accept it and I will defend it.

    I wish that people would direct their anger to the repeated cuts to council funding that in my opinion is the real cause of council service deterioration. You pay peanuts...

    (And for the record, we Londoners have just had a CT rise with a substantial part of it directed to increasing police services in opposing the recent spike in violent crime, police presence, youth services. We have to accept this. If you want better services, you generally have to pay for them one way or another. To this effect, the government agenda is to hold down income tax (so as to keep their reputation as the party of low tax) and instead have us normals pay for services by other means - in this case, increased council tax. Sadly, for us normals, it works... We have a deterioration in services, and instead of anger against the government, it is directed against the councils...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by WanChaiMiller View Post
    The Single Market is built on 4 Freedoms - the free movement of Goods, Services, Capital and Labour.

    The Single Market s the brainchild of Thatcher and underpins Tory Neoliberal trade policy favouring free trade capitalism.

    I mention it because reading posts on here you would think free movement of people in Europe is a leftist Maxist concept.
    Nowt to do with litter, but I think your memory is playing tricks with you on the question of freedom of movement.

    Freedom of movement of labour was written into the first European treaties in the 50s - several years before Thatcher became an MP. Freedom of movement of people as we know it today was created by the terms of the Maastricht Treaty signed off in 1993 - after Thatcher had resigned as an MP.

    Thatcher publicly castigated Major for signing Maastricht (but not on the issue of freedom of movement, as far as I am aware).

    Freedom of movement is not a Marxist notion - it's an economic one. The idea is that labour should be allowed to follow jobs - British brickies to Germany in the 80s, Polish brickies to the UK in the 00s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ragingpup View Post
    I don't work for the council. I'm from London but live in London. My sister however works as a senior community liaison with the council and we often talk about some of the RMBC posts on here. All my family work for other public services in Rotherham and Sheffield and the stretching of public services and the impact on how well they can provide services to the public is a constant source of frustration and discussion. She can be quite critical of the council too but is fully informed and puts things into perspective.

    So I assure you that I am not 'upset', I am putting an opposite point of argument to yours and others on here that are complaining about RMBC services and suggesting that whilst I agree with you that there are is some waste and some terrible decisions which you have experienced, I think it is plain unfair to say that there are substantial savings to be made so as to pay for large scale service increases in waste disposal. The overall big report I linked to yesterday discusses the councils spending decisions and rationale and the council invites both feedback on last year's spending as well as suggestions for how local people would like their money to be directed next year. Have you personally communicated with them about how you think your money should be spent?

    Getting back to litter, it's good that you actively reported the fly tipping. We have similar problems here in Redbridge. However, likewise, our council are slow to act and have spoken to them on the phone about substantial waste that was left in some green land from some travelers I think. It is logged and is down on the list of environmental priorities but there is simply no one available to go out and remove it at the moment.

    Interestingly you mention the fact that you now have to pay for garden waste. We had the same thing happen last spring, our council trying to claw some money back from central cuts to their funding by passing it on to us. I remember moaning to my conservative voting pal up North who retorted why should the people without gardens pay for my garden waste. I actually couldn't argue with that, and am in agreement in principle with councils extracting and directing money to the people who mainly use the services. BUT, having done this, the council then experienced meltdown at their local waste disposal site with loads of people driving their waste in and being stuck in hours worth of queues! So now they have gone back to the free service again... Good luck to RMBC on this one!

    In short, I guess I come at the problem of councils providing services with a large degree of sympathy. Some obviously will be better than others and I'd love to read any articles that could be posted from posters that think any council has got it right in serving their community. Of course they should be criticised, and your experience with them is frustrating and annoying. But at the same time, others are peddling lies and untruths about the council saying things like RMBC are the only council not to recycle plastic etc, and unfounded claims that we have a greater problem with waste than other towns of similar demographic. I'm sorry but there is no evidence of this, no one can present this evidence, so I won't accept it and I will defend it.

    I wish that people would direct their anger to the repeated cuts to council funding that in my opinion is the real cause of council service deterioration. You pay peanuts...

    (And for the record, we Londoners have just had a CT rise with a substantial part of it directed to increasing police services in opposing the recent spike in violent crime, police presence, youth services. We have to accept this. If you want better services, you generally have to pay for them one way or another. To this effect, the government agenda is to hold down income tax (so as to keep their reputation as the party of low tax) and instead have us normals pay for services by other means - in this case, increased council tax. Sadly, for us normals, it works... We have a deterioration in services, and instead of anger against the government, it is directed against the councils...)

    When Ive read most of your posts RP (pre and post snowflake comments) they are all basically the same, they all suggest you can be turned from your entrenched views..."give me the evidence and I'll change" "can you provide the links and I' will swap religions" "Im not really a full time socialist"

    We have you sussed fella, and thats one fact you dont need Google for

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    Quote Originally Posted by KerrAvon View Post
    Nowt to do with litter, but I think your memory is playing tricks with you on the question of freedom of movement.

    Freedom of movement of labour was written into the first European treaties in the 50s - several years before Thatcher became an MP. Freedom of movement of people as we know it today was created by the terms of the Maastricht Treaty signed off in 1993 - after Thatcher had resigned as an MP.

    Thatcher publicly castigated Major for signing Maastricht (but not on the issue of freedom of movement, as far as I am aware).

    Freedom of movement is not a Marxist notion - it's an economic one. The idea is that labour should be allowed to follow jobs - British brickies to Germany in the 80s, Polish brickies to the UK in the 00s.
    Not playing tricks all. Free movement of labour is one of the 4 freedoms of the Single Market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gm_gm View Post
    When Ive read most of your posts RP (pre and post snowflake comments) they are all basically the same, they all suggest you can be turned from your entrenched views..."give me the evidence and I'll change" "can you provide the links and I' will swap religions" "Im not really a full time socialist"

    We have you sussed fella, and thats one fact you dont need Google for
    Look closely at my post: I argued with my tory voting mate up North on waste disposal and he provided an argument (why should non garden owners pay for garden waste disposal?) which totally changed my prior views on the issue. Kerr sometimes provides good enough arguments to at least slant my views as he generally backs up his arguments and is evidence based.

    However, if you look back over my posts I frequently throw questions back at posters that go to the heart of their arguments and ask them to either provide more evidence or consider other evidence.

    I rarely even get an attempt at a response from the vast majority on here to these questions.

    Why might that be?

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    I argued with my tory voting mate up North on waste disposal and he provided an argument
    Gotcha!

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    Quote Originally Posted by WanChaiMiller View Post
    Not playing tricks all. Free movement of labour is one of the 4 freedoms of the Single Market.
    It’s easy to get confused with EU bs but single market is trade not freedom of movement however they do attach it to the single market as one of the freedoms, however it’s not apart of the single market just an stipulation they put on people to have access to it.

    Back to litter I think fast food places need cameras because they seem to be loads in car parks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silly-miller View Post
    It’s easy to get confused with EU bs but single market is trade not freedom of movement however they do attach it to the single market as one of the freedoms, however it’s not apart of the single market just an stipulation they put on people to have access to it.

    Back to litter I think fast food places need cameras because they seem to be loads in car parks
    Easily confused. The EU is a trading block.

    Back to litter. My comment was to GF seeming attrmpt to link litter to foreigners ( I may have got it wrong).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grist_To_The_Mill View Post
    Actually a lot still goes to landfill depending on market prices at the time. High density plastics like HDPE tend to be reused but the lower lighter grades are basically unusable. The key to it all is stopping the over use of plastic packing in the first place.
    Agrre with that
    The key to it all is stopping the over use of plastic packing in the first place.[/QUOTE]


    About 4/5 years ago on breakfast tv was a feature on Easter egg packaging in which they highlighted the ridiculous amount of packaging on this product which amounted to thosands of unnecessary tons
    A Gov't spokesman at the time said they were considering ways of curbing such waste
    Did anyone notice the vast reduction in such packaging this year....thought not
    They've now "turned there attention" to the rise in the use of throwaway cups
    What you will no doubt see is a tax on each purchase which is used instead of regulating the use of these excesses by the originator as we must always let the forces of the free market pertain

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    Quote Originally Posted by WanChaiMiller View Post
    Easily confused. The EU is a trading block.

    Back to litter. My comment was to GF seeming attrmpt to link litter to foreigners ( I may have got it wrong).
    It's added to the problem certainly, if we'd had Japanese immigrants there would probably be less litter.

    Here's that Clarkson article I was talking about:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/610611...rk-sun-litter/

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