Cameron total failure

[i961pie]

[quote="Trickytreesreds"]Romans follow your analogy and we are so scared, do nothing and nothing changes.
It is already instigating changes for the better.
Cameron came up with a set of ideals yesterday, that would be more than acceptable to most UKIP voters.
Now the question is, has he got the balls to see it through?

No more lies, no more stalling. Ask THE EU ONCE. If they won't bend, then out we come.

There is just one small fault with that, First Cameron won't make that decision without asking the British people, and voting to come out will be a lot closer than many think.

[Romanis]

Cameron came up with a set of ideals yesterday, that would be more than acceptable to most UKIP voters.
Now the question is, has he got the balls to see it through?

So for the rest of us. The Conservatives are the only real viable party, but only if they get their act together.

I dunno what you're on about, Okay so Cameron and Labour have agreed to act, will that mean that potential UKIP supporters will now not vote for them? And support the main parties once more.

And just because you talk to a few friends here and there in the Midlands (traditionally a Labour stronghold and some have indicated they will switch to UKIP), does not mean that this trend will continue elsewhere.
Or even if it does, it will be in areas where Labour are not the dominant force, rather the Conservatives. Many UKIP leaners tended to vote Tory. If they switch, they will eat away at the Conservative vote or majorities in various seats. Sure Labo

[Romanis]

Forget Labour, they won't get in. Support for them is waining. They even hate their own leader. Of the dozens of Labour voters I know, they won't be voting for Millipede.
Scotland will be Labours graveyard and the SNP WILL have more MP'S than the Dims. They will swing it whichever way. (go on anyone, admit it. You forgot about the SNP)

You're just hoping you're right - a mere punt, not something backed by opinion polls.
Before the recent by-election, YouGov (they usually are spot on) predicted if the UKIP surge continued, it looks likely that Labour will emerge as the largest party at ard 300 seats. If the Lib Dems hold on to most of their 57 seats, the 2 will be the next coalition.

And your SNP theory is another figment of your imagination, they only have 6 seats. They are more interested in winning seats in the Scottish Parliament than the Commons.

So what if some fret about Milliband? They fretted over Brown as well

[Romanis]

Ok fair enough you wanna send a message to Cameron. But how far should people go? You think UKIP is in this for fun? You think Farage is just happy to be a vehicle for voter frustration at immigration?

He's in it to milk it and get as much power as he possibly can. If he only wants to highlight an issue and enforce change, he'd only contest in 30 seats or so, not hundreds or all. And if he can supplant the Lib Dems, better still, he's got a real shot at Cabinet posts. You think he won't side with Labour if they win a plurality of seats? He'll grab it with open arms. Sure he'll make some noises over Europe, maybe get them to back down. But you think he'll stop there?

He'll want all his other looney ideas followed through as well. And between him and Labour, they'll embark on another spending spree, leaving people to vote the Conservatives in 2020 to clear up the mess again.

You can crack silly jokes and call Lab/Lib Dems/Tories/ Milliband, Clegg and Cameron childishs. Farage wi

[Trickytreesreds]

Can't be ****d to write a Mills anD bOON, as it's Sunday Morn.
1. Your dismissal of the SNP is poor.
They have only 6 seats etc. That's now!!!
FGS Romans, I've just told you that Labour is getting a kicking. The SNP, will smother Labour next election. Bet your testicles on it.
Even one eyed Brown has got out fast. He knows.

Same with the Lib Dims. Do you honestly believe the Dims will come out of this with 50+ seats.
The Greens will have as many seats as them.

You are using Camerons classic sympathy angle to sweep away UKIP. If you don't vote for me (sniff,sniff) they'll get in and you wouldn't want that?

This is easy to sort, if the **** will have the balls.

1. Stop the benefits of immigrants. We are the most generous country for migrants in europe. Why?
2. Concentrate on the UK instead of throwing money overseas
3.Have the EU vote now as a principle, not a carrot
4. Sort out the borders, that seem as dense as tissue paper and lets in the worst scum of the world. (as a

[Romanis]

You are clearly basing on premise on hopes rather than historical facts.

Labour has a long foothold in Scotland, and the SNP will be wary of going after Labour for London seats, rather than Edinburgh seats. The SNP is more focussed on Scotland. Even in 2010, Labour managed to increase its majority in some of its 41 seats. Unless there's a lot of retiring MPs, Labour will not lose more than half of their Scottish seats to the SNP. They may lose 5 or 6 at best. The more likelihood is that the Lib Dems might lose half of their 11 seats to the SNP.

In any case, the SNP will more likely form a coalition with Labour in the Commons than the Tories.

As for the Greens? You're having a laugh. The Lib Dems are not a small party, they have enough volunteers, election machinery that the Greens can never match. Even against UKIP, the Lib Dems have a stronger base.

In the battle for 3rd place, this might happen (worse case scenario):

Lib Dems 35 (from 56 now)
SNP 12 (from 6)
UKIP 15 (from 2)

F

[Trickytreesreds]

STOP RIGHT THERE!

How the **** is my and my ilks vote wasted?
It's democracy. You can vote for who the hell we want to vote for.
It's up to the parties to persuade me and my ilk, to vote for them.
Labour and Conservative are doing nothing that dissuades me from that notion.
You are a classic voter, who votes by tradition and bias against other parties, not their policies.

If Cameron or Miliband want my vote, then they have to change their policies.

In a nutshell, that is what UKIP are all about. The two main parties are so arrogant, that they believe they "know" what's right for us and dismiss our thoughts as nothing.

If it isn't Gordon Brown and his "ilk" calling people bigots for having a question or opinion. It's bum cracks like David Mellor, the staunch ex Tory slagging off taxi drivers and others trying to embarrass the working class, as "plebs".

If you cannot see that and are happy to go along with the old guard and it's ideas, then you are lost.

Ask the French about their

[i961pie]

[quote="Trickytreesreds"]
Even one eyed Brown has got out fast.

Thought you would be better than that TT.