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    I really don't understand why fans always seem to blame the owners. Chairmen regularly get blamed for interfering in team affairs and are told to leave the football to those who are in the game. Well our chairman doesn't interfere and we are left in this mess. When it was clear we are in trouble he upped the budget for the manager to bring in players to get us out of trouble ie Jcr McCourt and Lita. Is it the Trews fault that the management have tried to be a success with elderly players and utter dross like Hollis? A centre half pairing of Hollis and Edwards wouldn't keep us up in league two. I feel sorry for Edwards as he only came as a fitness guru. It is simply the management that have failed to replace Spencer, bought players on experience forgetting they are old, failed in the basics of having a strong spine to the team. We need two centre backs, two central midfielders and we might have a team. The Trews have constantly backed tonnes of signings it is not their fault they have t

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    Spot on, Roweyp. Let's get the planks who appointed the manager instead.

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    They were praised for bringing the manager in last season and have let them bring in players it's the judgement of who they brought in that's the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roweyp
    They were praised for bringing the manager in last season and have let them bring in players it's the judgement of who they brought in that's the problem.
    Is the correct answer.

    I happen to think that Abbott, assuming he has had input about signings,accept that he has let Derry down, big time.

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    It's Ray Trews fault along with Jim Rodwell that continual below par performance and mistakes plus an abject failure in the transfer market have been accepted as standard and the axe has not been wielded. They don't have a crystal ball but they have the ability to instigate change and they haven't or hadn't in Rodwells case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by queenslandpie
    It's Ray Trews fault along with Jim Rodwell that continual below par performance and mistakes plus an abject failure in the transfer market have been accepted as standard and the axe has not been wielded. They don't have a crystal ball but they have the ability to instigate change and they haven't or hadn't in Rodwells case.

    What a load of rubbish. How can you blame RT & JR for supporting the manager.You all moaned when he sacked previous managers, saying they were not given enough time. Now he has given this one time you are still moaning..

    My only concern is that Ray should not have shown the same restraint with Derry as per the other guys.. We still have 9 games left, so hopefully its not too late to act. In RT we have faith..

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    Quote Originally Posted by durhampie
    How can you blame RT & JR for supporting the manager.You all moaned when he sacked previous managers, saying they were not given enough time.
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    We were told that both Allen and Short were sacked for 'non-football reasons' which shut down any serious debate regards those two, the fans pretty much had to accept those sackings on those terms.

    Ince and Kiwomya had to go when they did. Who would argue against the timing of the sacking of those two?

    That leaves Curle, who did divide opinion but he's now 20th in League Two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by queenslandpie
    It's Ray Trews fault along with Jim Rodwell that continual below par performance and mistakes plus an abject failure in the transfer market have been accepted as standard and the axe has not been wielded. They don't have a crystal ball but they have the ability to instigate change and they haven't or hadn't in Rodwells case.
    ^ This is pretty much it.

    The Trews run the club. Ergo, the buck stops with them.

    Throwing money at an inexperienced, underperforming manager is not a good thing. It's insane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by queenslandpie
    It's Ray Trews fault along with Jim Rodwell that continual below par performance and mistakes plus an abject failure in the transfer market have been accepted as standard and the axe has not been wielded. They don't have a crystal ball but they have the ability to instigate change and they haven't or hadn't in Rodwells case.
    So are you saying that a Chairman should choose which players to sign? The management have players they want and the chairman gives the money whilst the CEO finalises the deal. Ray has constantly backed the club with signings, it is not his fault they are generally terrible. The manager picks the team and chooses the players he signs. If the Chairman refused to allow signings, or old the manager who to pick or who to sign then yes there is some blame but this is not the case.

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    The phrase 'due diligence' should apply to all financial transactions - that includes transfers. So random has been the acquisition of loan players this season that I just don't see how they were properly investigated before the contract was signed.
    Now that surely is the owner's domain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roweyp

    So are you saying that a Chairman should choose which players to sign? The management have players they want and the chairman gives the money whilst the CEO finalises the deal. Ray has constantly backed the club with signings, it is not his fault they are generally terrible. The manager picks the team and chooses the players he signs. If the Chairman refused to allow signings, or old the manager who to pick or who to sign then yes there is some blame but this is not the case.

    So the quality of the signings has got nothing to do with what they can afford to pay? The manager can pick anybody he wants and Ray will pay for him, no questions asked?

    Out of interest, what are our top 5 transfer fees paid since Munto?

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    Quote Originally Posted by roweyp
    It's Ray Trews fault along with Jim Rodwell that continual below par performance and mistakes plus an abject failure in the transfer market have been accepted as standard and the axe has not been wielded. They don't have a crystal ball but they have the ability to instigate change and they haven't or hadn't in Rodwells case.
    So are you saying that a Chairman should choose which players to sign? The management have players they want and the chairman gives the money whilst the CEO finalises the deal. Ray has constantly backed the club with signings, it is not his fault they are generally terrible. The manager picks the team and chooses the players he signs. If the Chairman refused to allow signings, or old the manager who to pick or who to sign then yes there is some blame but this is not the case.[/quote]

    The problem with Mr. Trew is that he does the same thing every season and yet e

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    Quote Originally Posted by upthemaggies

    So are you saying that a Chairman should choose which players to sign? The management have players they want and the chairman gives the money whilst the CEO finalises the deal. Ray has constantly backed the club with signings, it is not his fault they are generally terrible. The manager picks the team and chooses the players he signs. If the Chairman refused to allow signings, or old the manager who to pick or who to sign then yes there is some blame but this is not the case.

    So the quality of the signings has got nothing to do with what they can afford to pay? The manager can pick anybody he wants and Ray will pay for him, no questions asked?

    Out of interest, what are our top 5 transfer fees paid since Munto?[/quote]

    Out of interest, what did "Munto" "pay" for any player ???

    Do not include anys that Ray had to pay for, after "Munto" phucked off with all the money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arnapie

    So are you saying that a Chairman should choose which players to sign? The management have players they want and the chairman gives the money whilst the CEO finalises the deal. Ray has constantly backed the club with signings, it is not his fault they are generally terrible. The manager picks the team and chooses the players he signs. If the Chairman refused to allow signings, or old the manager who to pick or who to sign then yes there is some blame but this is not the case.

    So the quality of the signings has got nothing to do with what they can afford to pay? The manager can pick anybody he wants and Ray will pay for him, no questions asked?

    Out of interest, what are our top 5 transfer fees paid since Munto?[/quote]

    Out of interest, what did "Munto" "pay" for any player ???

    Do not include anys that Ray had to pay for, after "Mu

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    Quote Originally Posted by upthemaggies

    So are you saying that a Chairman should choose which players to sign? The management have players they want and the chairman gives the money whilst the CEO finalises the deal. Ray has constantly backed the club with signings, it is not his fault they are generally terrible. The manager picks the team and chooses the players he signs. If the Chairman refused to allow signings, or old the manager who to pick or who to sign then yes there is some blame but this is not the case.

    So the quality of the signings has got nothing to do with what they can afford to pay? The manager can pick anybody he wants and Ray will pay for him, no questions asked?

    Out of interest, what are our top 5 transfer fees paid since Munto?[/quote]

    Out of interest, what did "Munto" "pay" for any player ???

    Do not in

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    [quote="roweyp"]I really don't understand why fans always seem to blame the owners. Chairmen regularly get blamed for interfering in team affairs and are told to leave the football to those who are in the game. Well our chairman doesn't interfere and we are left in this mess. When it was clear we are in trouble he upped the budget for the manager to bring in players to get us out of trouble ie Jcr McCourt and Lita. Is it the Trews fault that the management have tried to be a success with elderly players and utter dross like Hollis? A centre half pairing of Hollis and Edwards wouldn't keep us up in league two. I feel sorry for Edwards as he only came as a fitness guru. It is simply the management that have failed to replace Spencer, bought players on experience forgetting they are old, failed in the basics of having a strong spine to the team. We need two centre backs, two central midfielders and we might have a team. The Trews have constantly backed tonnes o

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    Quote Originally Posted by sidn15
    The phrase 'due diligence' should apply to all financial transactions - that includes transfers. So random has been the acquisition of loan players this season that I just don't see how they were properly investigated before the contract was signed.
    Now that surely is the owner's domain.


    Sid...I am surprised that you. dare use the phrase "Due Diligence" in this club after it's mis-use prior to the Munto Fiasco.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arnapie

    MCParland ?? He wasn't here when Ray took over!!

    He was sacked by "Munto"

    You asked what the top 5 fees paid since "Munto", and I asked you what exactly did "Munto "pay" for anyone? They didn't even pay the sodding milk bill.
    I understand that, but you said earlier that Trew has constantly backed managers with signings. I haven't made a mental note of the fees involved. It was genuine question. Who are the biggest signings we've made since?

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    Quote Originally Posted by upthemaggies

    MCParland ?? He wasn't here when Ray took over!!

    He was sacked by "Munto"

    You asked what the top 5 fees paid since "Munto", and I asked you what exactly did "Munto "pay" for anyone? They didn't even pay the sodding milk bill.
    I understand that, but you said earlier that Trew has constantly backed managers with signings. I haven't made a mental note of the fees involved. It was genuine question. Who are the biggest signings we've made since?[/quote]

    Apart from the really big clubs there aren't really 'fees' paid by most lower league clubs for players these days. What's certainly true is that you can't sign almost 40 players if you haven't been given a half decent playing budget and control over it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackal2

    Apart from the really big clubs there aren't really 'fees' paid by most lower league clubs for players these days. What's certainly true is that you can't sign almost 40 players if you haven't been given a half decent playing budget and control over it.
    Right. So inflated wages have effectively replaced the transfer fee, so I suppose it would have to be guess work to our 5 most expensive signings since Munto. Danny Haynes would presumably be one of them.

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