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[Getintaethem]

Probably would allow one if it complied with any planning policies and had great transport links accessible through a variety of means, with a large catchment area and footfall for the surrounding local businesses.

A drive-to stadium with everything onsite is in nobody's interest but AFC. It's totally against what the council want to do with the city centre and couldn't benefit them any less.

Funny how people picked up on such ludicrous arguments like terrorism but not sh!t like the RGU head saying it would attract people to university in Aberdeen. Just as desperate things from the yes camp but blinkers on.

Milne, finally realising how pathetic the transport plan is, has had to come out and change the discussion to we'll sort it oot eventually.

So your complaint focusses now on transport as your last hope.

What you No to Kingsford (Westhill Nimby's) don't understand is: 1) the roads are busy now during rush hour and games are far less frequent than rush hours 2) games wont happen during rush hours 3) all the concerns re traffic and shuttle busses etc. were the same as the concerns re traffic for Loiriston (which got approved!) 4) the concerns re traffic are there in other stadium that have been approved elsewhere in the UK. (as was pointed out by a Councillor)

Plus the whole traffic argument was undermined by one of your own supporters who lives on one of the roads that would be affected by the traffic and was explicitly asked, by a councillor, about how the traffic would affect him... he said, (paraphrasing) "we get lots of traffic going passed our house twice a day now anyway, it wont be any worse and although traffic is an issue it's not the main issue." Oh dear...

Shame that your only "crazy" you can pick up on for the pro Loiriston camp was someone who made a reasonable point around Aberdeen University using the stadium as a way of attracting students to the University. All Universities "sell" not just their University but the wider town and its facilities. Perfectly reasonable to say having a world class facility in the town will benefit Aberdeen University.

[stansmith]

So your complaint focusses now on transport as your last hope.

What you No to Kingsford (Westhill Nimby's) don't understand is: 1) the roads are busy now during rush hour and games are far less frequent than rush hours 2) games wont happen during rush hours 3) all the concerns re traffic and shuttle busses etc. were the same as the concerns re traffic for Loiriston (which got approved!) 4) the concerns re traffic are there in other stadium that have been approved elsewhere in the UK. (as was pointed out by a Councillor)

Plus the whole traffic argument was undermined by one of your own supporters who lives on one of the roads that would be affected by the traffic and was explicitly asked, by a councillor, about how the traffic would affect him... he said, (paraphrasing) "we get lots of traffic going passed our house twice a day now anyway, it wont be any worse and although traffic is an issue it's not the main issue." Oh dear...

Shame that your only "crazy" you can pick up on for the pro Loiriston camp was someone who made a reasonable point around Aberdeen University using the stadium as a way of attracting students to the University. All Universities "sell" not just their University but the wider town and its facilities. Perfectly reasonable to say having a world class facility in the town will benefit Aberdeen University.

It would help if you could write a post without going all mentally unstable you must be a westhill nimby.

What nutters like you don't understand is: 1) this is to do with sustainable travel, parking and safety of pedestrians. There are no other locations in westhill that have been approved where 20,000 people descend upon and leave at once. 2) Unless I'm mistaken, we play midweek games. 3) They demonstrated Loirston was feasible for a sold out midweek game. They can't demonstrate an average Saturday game is feasible at Kingsford, hence Milne himself saying 30% of the plans have not been done and we'll sort it oot later just give us approval please.

Ignoring your nutter speech, apart from what a load of sh!te about the university. Get a grip.

[afc1903mad]

It would help if you could write a post without going all mentally unstable you must be a westhill nimby.

You would have a valid point to bring a poster up if they post in this manner, but you completely fail when you follow up with: -

What nutters like you don't understand is:

Ignoring your nutter speech

Maybe you should take your own advice

Get a grip.

[Pacman1903]

20,000 people descend upon and leave at once..

Try halving that. That number is saved for the pigs and sevco and the occasional euro game

[afc1903mad]

Onto your topical points

1) this is to do with sustainable travel, parking and safety of pedestrians.

I hear this argument point time and again, however the facts are that Kingsford offers a vast improvement on the current travel, parking and safety at Pittodrie

There are no other locations in westhill that have been approved where 20,000 people descend upon and leave at once..

Couple of points on this.
1) Westhill is in the shire, Kingsford is in the City
2) There has only been 1 game (European) where the attendance was greater than 20,000 (European game against Apollon Limassol). None of the domestic games last year breached 20,000

2) Unless I'm mistaken, we play midweek games.

What is your point on this? Yes we play occasional midweek games.
In the last year, domestically we have played 5 games midweek.
Attendances were: -

St Johnstone SLC-QF - 8,829
Kilmarnock - 8,195
Dundee - 10,152
Motherwell - 10,314
ICT - 11,507

An average of 9,799

3) They demonstrated Loirston was feasible for a sold out midweek game. They can't demonstrate an average Saturday game is feasible at Kingsford, hence Milne himself saying 30% of the plans have not been done and we'll sort it oot later just give us approval please.

As demonstrated in point 2, I'm confident that Kingsford with the AWPR in place can cater for these average midweek attendances.
Especially when you cinsider that most congestion would be leaving after the game at approx 21:50, well outwith the rush hour

[stansmith]

Try halving that. That number is saved for the pigs and sevco and the occasional euro game

The purpose is to demonstrate it will be able to cope at full use in the worst possible time. They did that for Loirston.

For Kingsford they're using buses at full capacity in their models for an average Saturday game, which is clearly utterly absurd, and as the W@NKS pointed out, this would fall apart instantly. Aberdeen also tried to argue the same as you've said which was scoffed at in the first transport response. Doesn't fit with the whole we need this to grow and boost attendances either. Club have tripped over themselves so many times.

This from RDM:

This leads to the scenario that shuttle buses will travel along the Lang Stracht, for example, yet residents of Mastrick and Sheddocksley, for example, would have to catch a bus into the city centre, change services, and travel back past their own residential areas to reach Kingsford, repeating this on the way home. There will be no public transport services from anywhere in the city other than the city centre and along the route of Stagecoach X17. There will be no public transport services from Aberdeenshire at all. RDM do not consider that this will be suitably attractive to supporters to encourage them to make use of bus services / to encourage a mode shift to a more sustainable mode of transport from private car.

In response to comments made by RDM, the applicants transport consultants have calculated the number of buses that will be needed to serve their predicted requirements. These calculations are based on the number of vehicles that various bus companies in the north-east have said would be available. RDM have some concerns with respect to these numbers. They rely on the full capacity (including standing) of all buses. This includes 27 standing on a First Aberdeen double deck bus (we assume this to be that used on the number 1 and number 2 routes) and 73 standing on an articulated bus.

Onto your topical points



1) I hear this argument point time and again, however the facts are that Kingsford offers a vast improvement on the current travel, parking and safety at Pittodrie



2) Couple of points on this.
Westhill is in the shire, Kingsford is in the City
There has only been 1 game (European) where the attendance was greater than 20,000 (European game against Apollon Limassol). None of the domestic games last year breached 20,000



3) What is your point on this? Yes we play occasional midweek games.
In the last year, domestically we have played 5 games midweek.
Attendances were: -

St Johnstone SLC-QF - 8,829
Kilmarnock - 8,195
Dundee - 10,152
Motherwell - 10,314
ICT - 11,507

An average of 9,799




As demonstrated in point 2, I'm confident that Kingsford with the AWPR in place can cater for these average midweek attendances.
Especially when you cinsider that most congestion would be leaving after the game at approx 21:50, well outwith the rush hour

1) It doesn't though. There are something like TWO public transport routes to Kingsford and FIFTY to walking distance from Pittodrie. Been over the parking issue on this thread before. There will only be about 700 spaces within 20 minutes walk of the stadium for the public, compared to 95% parking within 20 minutes of Pittodrie.

2) Been over that above.

3) Fans travelling at rush hour.

Here's RDM's conclusion.

There are two concerns in terms of public transport. First that the proposed methodology is unlikely to meet the demand established in the TAA, and whether this would do so in a means attractive enough to maintain the predicted use. Secondly the proposed public transport strategy is substandard for a development with this volume of trip attraction. The only real services are available from the city centre and it is highly unlikely that these would be used by sufficient or significant volumes of people residing outwith the city centre. In effect there is no public transport for anyone in north or south of the city or in Aberdeenshire at all.

In conclusion, the applicants have not yet fully been able to satisfy the concerns of the local road authority and there remains further work to be undertaken in order to provide a more robust and sustainable development. However, provided that the conditions outlined above could definitely be discharged, RDM would not object to this development proposal.

[Getintaethem]

It would help if you could write a post without going all mentally unstable you must be a westhill nimby.

You really love attacking posters on here... calling people nutters, clowns, excuses for humans etc. Your rant makes no sense and neither does your sentence above.

A clear sign of mental instability would be, pretending to be a football fan when clearly you are not, pretending not to live in Westhill when clearly you do and trying to promote your only agenda thinking it will change people's minds and failing miserably over and over again.

So, a reasonable minded person would wonder who the mentally unstable, nutter, clown, excuse for a human really is.

[Mason89]

I dont think either of you are coming out of it that well

[Thesheep]

Having watched most of the council meeting the other day; it was crazy to see how some public council time and money was wasted on giving certain people airtime to bring about threats of terrorism, fans bringing about world war 3 and how my whole family, ancestries, family owned dinosaurs lived in Westhill for the peace, quiet, tranquility and to remain in the year 1956!! Complete utter nonsense.

I recently got an email reply to my civilised email from NKS, stating that people who live in Kingsford/Westhill areas didn't make the choice to live in area next to a footy stadium unlike those in Pittodrie. Well guess what, I bet they didn't also see the AWPR happening, or a superstore opening, or a business park developing.......times change, they move on and developments happen.

Raise your concerns......fine, but why don't you instead of creating nonsense, scaremongering etc work together with the club, the planners to make this development the best it can be for locals, supporters, club and the city/shire. Because one thing is for sure, this development is happening somewhere and sometime.....and Kingsford is now that chosen place!

[Getintaethem]

I dont think either of you are coming out of it that well

Someone will be around to take you for your walk in a minute Mason.